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I viewed a 1942 48 button Wheatstone Aeola today in a pawn shop.  It has very little playing wear but is unrestored.  It had been stored for maybe 60 years.  Pads are loose, notes are sounding, it fails hang test miserably.  It has 8 folds which seems a bit unusual. I wasn’t able to open it up. Tone is decent, medium loud, baffles are still there.  It has exceptionally good dynamics.

 

My question is on it’s worth.  What would be a reasonable offer for a war time Aeola with little playing wear but completely unrestored?

Thanks

 

 

 

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I  don't know  which    parts  might have  been recycled into  new  instruments by  Wheatstone's  after  they  had  bought  all the  stock  from  Lachenal & Co.,  but  perhaps  it is more likely  that  some of the  work  may  have  been  undertaken  by  ex  Lachenal  employees.

Materials, of  course,  would have  been in very  short  supply  during the  War.  and  it  is  likely  those few  concertinas  that  were made  (  the  ledgers  show  only about  40  instruments  for  1942)   could  have  been produced from  pre war  stock.

 

What  it will have  is  metal capped plastic  buttons  and  hook  action  but  not   the  Lachenal  type.  Perhaps  aluminium  reed  shoes, but  more likely  prewar  brass shoes.  as  I'm  sure  any  available  aluminium  would  be  going to  aircraft  production.

 

So, although  build  quality  and  materials  were  usually  not  up  to  1920's  standards  by  this  stage  , Wheatstone's  were still making a decent instrument  if  not  quite  with the finesse   of  their  finest  creations.

 

Allow  for  a full  service  and  the  unknown  effects on the  wooden parts  caused  by  any  climatic   extremes  in your part of  the world  then  factor in  a  percentage  value  for  these  late  models, perhaps   60- 70%  of  the  Top  Period  Value . ( Check  professional  values  with  The Button Box  or  Barleycorn Concertinas) .

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Thanks Geoff.  It is an untouched original even with the baffles still in place and really no visible playing wear so somewhat interesting to me.  I don’t think it will sell too soon as the shop is asking full price as if it were restored.  If I don’t purchase it then I hope it goes to a home that will appreciate and play it.  It may not be the instrument for me as I already have a top end tenor-treble fully restored but you don’t see these come available in my area very often.  It would be interesting to see inside.  Maybe quickly glue in place the loose pads so I can play a tune on it.  I wasn’t overly impressed with the tone although it may just need to be played for a while to bring it back to life.  The dynamic range was extremely impressive so it could be an instrument with a lot of expression.

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the hook action of the later Wheatstones doesn't  appear all-too-bad to me (my baritone treble Aeola has it, and I don't recognize any problems in this regard).

 

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On 10/10/2020 at 4:51 PM, 4to5to6 said:

I don’t think it will sell too soon as it isn’t a playable instrument as is and the shop is asking full price as if it were restored.  ...

 

 The dynamic range was extremely impressive so it could be an instrument with a lot of expression.

 

Sometimes you have to remember that monetary value is not the only thing to consider. Despite the possibility that this concertina may not be quite as good as the high quality 'golden period' of Wheatstones, it nevetheless looks to be a very nice concertina with (as you say) a great dynamic range, which suggests that the reeds are good. Overall it looks to have a lot of potential. 

 

I would suggest a couple of things:

Try to get a look inside to see the reeds. If the pads have fallen off due to being stored in a damp place, the reeds could be rusty and/or the reed frames corroded too. Mild rust can be cleaned off, but if any rust looks very bad , then walk away from it.

 

Try to negotiate a slightly lower price (I suspect you have done this already), but if unsuccesful, and if the interior and reeds are reasonably good, then perhaps buy it at their price anyway. You will then have control over a potentially very nice concertina. Yes, you will need to pay for the restoration and tuning, but it might be worth it on musical/playabilty and historical grounds. As I said at the beginning; it's not always all about money, sometimes you have to take a risk and pay a bit more.

Funny beasts, concertinas....

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On 10/31/2020 at 8:48 AM, StephenTx said:

Steve , I was following this conversation.  What did you end up doing?  How much were they asking? Thank you 

Stephen

Steve Do you know if this instrument is still available and where I would like to inquire if you have it. Thank youDo you know if this instrument is still available and where I would like to inquire if you have it. Thank you

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I looked at it in person.  It was in unrestored condition.  I have described the tone above.  It was priced as if fully restored and as much as I get excited when I see an EC for sale, I painfully had to reject this one.  Chris Algar has fully restored and tuned ones available for much less.  The value is 60 to 70% top period as discussed above.  I could look at it again and ask the owner to let me open it up and take a few photos.  I’ve been trying to stay away from it though as I know how I am... I hate to see instruments sit around like this unrestored and so may have mercy on it.  Over the years I’ve lost a lot of money this way.

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On 10/10/2020 at 5:51 PM, 4to5to6 said:

... as I already have a top end tenor-treble and a model 22 both fully restored ...

 

so your "signature" might be slightly obsolete, might it not? 😁

 

best whishes - 🐺

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I can look at it again if anyone is really interested in it at this price.  I can ask to take a look inside and send a few photos if you want me too.  Do a short video maybe.

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On 11/19/2020 at 10:35 AM, 4to5to6 said:

 described tone above.  It was priced as if fully restored and as much as I get excited when I see an EC for sale, I painfully had to reject this one.  Chris Algar has fully restored and tuned ones available for much less.  It has hook action and the value is 60 to 70% top period as discussed above.  I could look at it again and try to convince the owner to let me open it up and take a few photos.  I’ve been trying to stay away from it though as I know how I am... I hate to see instruments sit around like this unrestored and so may have mercy on it.  Over the years I’ve lost a lot of money this way.

Thank you I really don’t need another Concertina either but I found this one interestingThank you I really don’t need another Concertina either but I found this one interesting

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On 11/19/2020 at 10:35 AM, 4to5to6 said:

4to5to6 I would really appreciate it if you would if you could convince the owner to open it up and take some pictures as this estimate fascinates me. Thank you so muchstephentx

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