Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
David Hansen

Wakker E4 Soprano Concertina

Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)

Wakker E4 Soprano Concertina

 

Up for sale is a 12 sided Wakker E4 soprano concertina, 42 keys pitched from F4 to F7 with air release button, 5.5” wide, weighs 2 lbs., Amboyna wood with gold keys/fittings and a Wakker fitted case. I originally thought I would use it to play harmonies with my Aeola but I never have and probably never will. I had the instrument retuned and re-voiced by Wim in 2018, he said this about this E4: “The instrument is based on a tenor treble, as most sopranos are. This particular instrument has an extended range down to F. The central C, is the 2nd button from the bottom on the left, not the first as on a standard treble. It plays just like a normal treble as long as you start on the right button. This concertina is one of only a few E4 models with vintage reeds, something we occasionally did in those days. The reeds in your instrument are 1880 Wheatstone. The reeds in your instrument are pretty good. After voicing and tuning it has a bright sound with even and clear harmonics.  Your instrument is in very good condition and is only one of 3 with gold buttons and fittings.” $3200.00 or best offer + shipping + Insurance. Here is a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZiSRO-eHgA

 

Wakker E4 0657_006.jpg

Wakker E4 0657_007.jpg

Wakker E4 0657_008.jpg

Wakker E4 0657_009.jpg

Wakker E4 0657_010.jpg

Edited by David Hansen
adding obo to ad.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So  as I  understand   from  your  description,  this  instrument  is  actually  a   fifth  lower  in pitch  than  a  standard   Wakker  Soprano  ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Geoff Wooff said:

So  as I  understand   from  your  description,  this  instrument  is  actually  a   fifth  lower  in pitch  than  a  standard   Wakker  Soprano  ?

 

No not my words, those are Wim's, it is a standard E4 Soprano concertina and the key layout is like a tenor concertina only the notes are pitched an octave higher. You can use the same fingering patterns as on a treble, you just start in a different place, if that makes sense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry  for  any  confusion  David  but  in the  first  sentence  of your    description  you  state  " 42 keys  pitched from  F4 to F7 " .  On the  Wakker Concertinas  website  a  standard  E4  Soprano  is  said  to  have  42 keys  from  Middle C to  C. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well I'm thoroughly confused! On his website Wim says of the E4 "The layout is identical to a tenor english (minus the top 6 notes), but sounding one octave higher." So that gives the range as C4 - C7 with tenor fingering. But above Wim is quoted as saying "The instrument is based on a tenor treble, ..." which gives it treble fingering, confirmed by "It plays just like a normal treble ..."

 

Wim also says "This particular instrument has an extended range down to F." So the range appears to be F3 - F6.

 

Taking all this together, the instrument sounds more like a treble extended down by one note than a soprano. Which I imagine would make it a very attractive instrument for an English player. (Fortunately I'm not tempted - I'm a Crane player now.)

 

LJ

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's how I read it. Tenor treble without the higher notes?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's a beautiful instrument.  How responsive are the Victorian reeds?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So I guess I'm the one who is confused, I thought my Soprano concertina was the standard model but apparently it is not. Mine is pitched from from F to F and I have made a crude layout because I couldn't find one online. See attached.

Soprano Key Layout.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
55 minutes ago, Paul Read said:

It's a beautiful instrument.  How responsive are the Victorian reeds?

It is just as responsive as my Aeola, I really don't know what Victorian reeds sound like.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, David Hansen said:

I have made a crude layout ...

 

Thanks, that's very clear (and not at all crude!). So it's a standard treble but with low F and F# added. Very nice!

 

LJ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Little John said:

 

Thanks, that's very clear (and not at all crude!). So it's a standard treble but with low F and F# added. Very nice!

 

LJ

Is that correct or is it one octave higher?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, John Wild said:

Is that correct or is it one octave higher?

If C' is the C above middle C (C4) then is it an octave higher, which is what David said in his first post:

On 6/17/2020 at 1:32 PM, David Hansen said:

42 keys pitched from F4 to F7

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Don Taylor said:

If C' is the C above middle C (C4) ...

 

I'm not really familiar with the C' notation. According to wikipedia it's called Helmholtz pitch notation and c' is middle C (or C4 in scientific notation). The lowest note on David's chart is "f" which is a fifth below middle C (F3).

 

LJ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the chart is right, it is not is standard E4 soprano, which ranges from C to C!? I played one a couple of years ago...

This one looks more like a piccolo ( one octave above treble!? ).

 I just tried to play along... To me it looks like a standard E4!?

Anyway, it is a very fine and rare  instrument at a good price! 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I  played along  with the recording and   David's  chart  is  correct,  I  can  see two  clear  buttons  above  when  he  plays    the  left hand  Bb.  So  yes  an octave above  a standard  treble  .  

 

Very  nice , very  pretty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Geoff Wooff said:

So  yes  an octave above  a standard  treble  . 

 

I guess that explains how Wim was able to build it 3/4" smaller than a standard 48b treble. Nice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, David Hansen said:

It is just as responsive as my Aeola, I really don't know what Victorian reeds sound like.

I was thinking more of their responsiveness as the Victorian ones tended to be a bit slower than the later models (1900 +).  I assume the reeds were from a top of the line instrument and, of course, Wim would have optimised reed performance.  Re sound, the older ones tended to be somewhat sweet and quieter than later models but that could be construction rather than reed design that dictated that.  A beautiful instrument.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, Little John said:

I'm not really familiar with the C' notation. According to wikipedia it's called Helmholtz pitch notation and c' is middle C

Actually, I thought it was a mis-capitalized version of the ABC notation where '"C" is middle C and c' is an octave higher.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...