Lachenal Duet Serial Numbers

[Dowright]

Some months ago, there was an inquiry about the serial numbers for Lachenal Maccann and Crane duet concertinas (I do not cite the posting, since I do not want to embarrass anybody). Someone suggested that the numbering  started with a single series for both Maccann and Crane duets, and later was split into separate series for Maccann and Crane instruments. The truth is just the opposite: It started with a single series for Maccanns (John Hill Maccann Patent No. 4752, 12 March 1884). When Cranes were introduced (John Buttersworth Patent No. 21730, 28 September 1896), a separate serial numbering for Cranes was introduced. When the Buttersworth patent (owned by Crane & Sons) expired in 1910, the Cranes and Maccanns series became a single series. In the same year, 1910, Lachenall introduced the Crane/Triumph concertina, and the Salvation Army published their Triumph tutor. The new joint Maccann/Crane series commenced when the Maccann series was at about No. 2700.

[wes williams]

Thanks Dowright,

I replied to that earlier posting,  pointing out that it was the reverse - two separate series then one joint one. I've previously thought that the joint series commenced slightly later, but your research detailed here gives very good reasons why 1910 is the logical start for the joint series. Many thanks for your years of work on Lachenal serials!

[Seth]

Here is my MacCann. 1665 or 1655?

 

Seth

[rebi-la-volpe]

Hi Seth, I think I might have that one? Did you sell it? I thought it said 1335 but it must be 1665? 

Thanks, 

Rebecca 

 

[Stephen Chambers]

According to the latest estimates from the Lachenal dating project, #1655 or 1665 would date from 1897, #1335 would be 1894.

[Dee746]

What about a 46 Lachenal Maccann Duet #1317, note - it has no air valve.  6 fold bellows, Rosewood ends?  Any thoughts on production date?

 

Edited February 12, 2022 by Dee746

[wes williams]

1317 would date to circa 1894. My 46k metal end Maccann (689) also doesn't have an air button - and so do most duets.

[Mike Acott]

How about a 72 key Maccann, new model, metal ends ,serial number 836.

Mike

[wes williams]

Mike - 836 would be circa 1890.

[Mike Acott]

thanks for that Wes,I will be selling it if there is any interest,wity a donation to the site.

Regards.

Mike

 

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