Dowright Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Some months ago, there was an inquiry about the serial numbers for Lachenal Maccann and Crane duet concertinas (I do not cite the posting, since I do not want to embarrass anybody). Someone suggested that the numbering started with a single series for both Maccann and Crane duets, and later was split into separate series for Maccann and Crane instruments. The truth is just the opposite: It started with a single series for Maccanns (John Hill Maccann Patent No. 4752, 12 March 1884). When Cranes were introduced (John Buttersworth Patent No. 21730, 28 September 1896), a separate serial numbering for Cranes was introduced. When the Buttersworth patent (owned by Crane & Sons) expired in 1910, the Cranes and Maccanns series became a single series. In the same year, 1910, Lachenall introduced the Crane/Triumph concertina, and the Salvation Army published their Triumph tutor. The new joint Maccann/Crane series commenced when the Maccann series was at about No. 2700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Thanks Dowright, I replied to that earlier posting, pointing out that it was the reverse - two separate series then one joint one. I've previously thought that the joint series commenced slightly later, but your research detailed here gives very good reasons why 1910 is the logical start for the joint series. Many thanks for your years of work on Lachenal serials! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Here is my MacCann. 1665 or 1655? Seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebi-la-volpe Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Hi Seth, I think I might have that one? Did you sell it? I thought it said 1335 but it must be 1665? Thanks, Rebecca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 According to the latest estimates from the Lachenal dating project, #1655 or 1665 would date from 1897, #1335 would be 1894. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee746 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) What about a 46 Lachenal Maccann Duet #1317, note - it has no air valve. 6 fold bellows, Rosewood ends? Any thoughts on production date? Edited February 12, 2022 by Dee746 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 1317 would date to circa 1894. My 46k metal end Maccann (689) also doesn't have an air button - and so do most duets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Acott Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 How about a 72 key Maccann, new model, metal ends ,serial number 836. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Mike - 836 would be circa 1890. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Acott Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 thanks for that Wes,I will be selling it if there is any interest,wity a donation to the site. Regards. Mike . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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