seanc Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 So here is the deal. I have a 48 Lachenal English, thank you Greg Jowasis! And I have an AC Norman C/G Anglo ( thank you Tim Tedrow). i got the AC first and just never got my arms around it. Later I picked up the English and it seems to be working. But as I get better, I notice that the Lachenal is substantially quieter. And even though it is steel reeds, it is significantly more mellow. Is this inherent to their respective instruments? As as I seem to be gravitating towards ITM, I don’t think the Lachenal would hold up in a session. Should I look at a different English? Posssibly trade both mine for a brighter English? the anglos is not getting a lot of attention lately, should I keep it and wait for me to come around to the Anglo again? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 IMO the answer is simple and clear: go for a Wheatstone Model 22 or 24 - they can be as close to a Jeffries as EC come... All the best - ? P.S.: I could provide you with a SC link to give an impression of the sound (I even used some EQ to filter the high partials). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) For session playing in ITM it is good to have a concertina with plenty of volume available, when one needs it of course and not neccessarily all the time. I agree with Wolf that a Wheatstone model 22 or 24 will usually provide enough power whilst retaining a decent tone quality. A metal ended Lachenal 'New Model' will also have good carrying power but I find the tone can be a wee bit thin ( cutting) and sometimes annoying. Wooden ended New Models are a little quieter but have a so much sweeter sound. I play an early model 22 in a noisy dance band, it holds its own very well and my current spare concertina is also a 22, for those just in case, rare, moments when the main squeeze breaks a spring or drops a pad during a gig. Keep the Anglo too. Edited May 22, 2019 by Geoff Wooff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, Geoff Wooff said: Keep the Anglo too. Yes, definitely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 I am not even sure what model my Lachenal is. But am I generally correct in my judgement that it seems to be quiet? And there would be a substantial difference in stepping up to the 22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I recorded this with little practice on the particular instrument, but listening to the first tune might give you an impression. The 22/24 have a very special tone which could perhaps be described as bright and fat - simply different from both a Wheatstone Aealo and a Lachenal, whatever model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 Wolf, nice playing. It definitely sounds more honkey and like my AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, seanc said: So here is the deal. I have a 48 Lachenal English, thank you Greg Jowasis! And I have an AC Norman C/G Anglo ( thank you Tim Tedrow). What are the ends of each made of? One can always find exceptions, but in general metal-ended instruments tend to be perceived as both louder and "brighter" than wooden-ended. Meanwhile, not all steel reeds were/are made with the same grade of steel. I believe it's the costlier models that would generally have harder, more elastic steel, allowing for greater swings of the tongue (with sufficient pressure differential) and thus greater volume. Edited May 22, 2019 by JimLucas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 The Norman is metal. The Lachenal is mahogany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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