Gloucesterman Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Beautiful tortoise shell 51 key Wheatstone aeola for sale. Just overhauled by the Button Box. Comes with original case. Smooth action, in tune, concert pitch, 6 fold bellows very tight. Serial Number 33234. Many inside photos upon request. Located north of Boston. david at davidcoffin dot com Will donate an appropriate amount to concertina.net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 (edited) The question is, is this actually tortoise shell ( or any other endangered species material) or a celuloid substitute ? Edited April 7, 2019 by Geoff Wooff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucesterman Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 According to the notes in the Wheatstone ledger it is Tortoise Shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wild Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 May I ask what extra notes this has over a standard 48-button instrument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucesterman Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 High C, C# on the right, D# on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Geoff Wooff said: The question is, is this actually tortoise shell ( or any other endangered species material) or a celuloid substitute ? Real tortoise shell (hornbill turtle) can not be exported under CITES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Somewhere on these forums there are discussions about Tortoise shell ended instruments, that the material used was generally either some species of animal horn or a plastic. One can tell if the material is animal or artificial by pressing a hot wire into it and smelling the burning fumes. Earlier instruments are more likely made from natural animal material , perhaps ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wild Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Gloucesterman said: High C, C# on the right, D# on the left. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.elliott Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 6:19 PM, SteveS said: Real tortoise shell (hornbill turtle) can not be exported under CITES. Does not the rule of pre dating a cut off point, maybe 1945 (I cannot remember) with appropriate documentation, meet the CITES Regulations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mellish Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Don't forget that "tortoiseshell" can be a description of appearance irrespective of material, e.g. "tortoiseshell cat". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hielandman Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Welcome to Concertina.Net David! Beautiful concertina you have. I think the real question is, are you THE David Coffin of "Roll the Old Chariot Along" (Drop of Nelson's Blood) Fame, of the Portsmouth Maritime Festival? And again, Welcome! Don Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucesterman Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 3:01 PM, d.elliott said: Does not the rule of pre dating a cut off point, maybe 1945 (I cannot remember) with appropriate documentation, meet the CITES Regulations? I doubt it. Obviously any sale will have to include some creative work on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucesterman Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, hielandman said: Welcome to Concertina.Net David! Beautiful concertina you have. I think the real question is, are you THE David Coffin of "Roll the Old Chariot Along" (Drop of Nelson's Blood) Fame, of the Portsmouth Maritime Festival? And again, Welcome! Don Smith Hi Don. You’ve got me dead to rights. And thanks for the welcome. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hielandman Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 You're welcome David! You are a great singer and performer, and though I've never seen you personally, I'm a big fan because of the You Tube performance I mentioned from the 2010 PMF. Great Work! Good luck selling that concertina, someone on here will buy it, (not me, I'm an Anglo guy, and a 20 button Anglo guy at that!) , but someone will, I'm sure! Take care, and keep up the good work! Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tealeaf Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) On 4/16/2019 at 3:41 PM, Gloucesterman said: I doubt it. Obviously any sale will have to include some creative work on both sides. The cutoff is for items 'worked' before 1947, so the current exemption may well apply. Individual countries can exceed CITES regulations in their own ways, though. The UK is about to introduce a total ivory ban with some very limited exceptions, for example; and my understanding is that the US already has a total ban on ivory. So, assuming that this is genuine tortoise shell, but pre-1947, it should be exportable under CITES in the US and UK context. It might still be worth checking with the US Fish and Wildlife Service (or DEFRA in the UK) to be on the safe side. It's worth remembering, though, that for some CITES-listed products, you just need an export permit, which requires some bureaucracy and a relatively small cost. So it's not a total impossibility. I'm fairly sure that tortoise shell is only allowed in "exceptional circumstances", though. Edited April 22, 2019 by tealeaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh boi Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 There seems to be an undercurrent of blaming Glocesterman for the fact it,s made of turtle shell.Back in the day we all used animal parts/products to make all sorts of things and still do. Turtle shell is not acceptable today, like elephant ivory. When the concertina was made it was acceptable. Now we all know better, so lets get over it and enjoy a lovely old instrument,made by very talented craftsmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 no blaming noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucesterman Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 Sold. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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