ritonmousquetaire Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Paul_Hardy said: I have online a recording of Brian from Kilve in 2007 at http://www.pghardy.net/concertina/kilve/kilve200710/ but it's not a good recording, and its not Brian at his best. I remember Brian performing some spectacular Handel at the Wheatstone Bicentenary concert in 2002, but I think I only have a photo, not a recording, although I did record the hour-long talk and discussion on Wheatstone by Stephen Rowling and others. Thanks a lot for posting this! So now we have a complete piece to listen at... Do you remember if he was playing the instrument we can see on this 2002 picture or if he was playing another one? Edited August 28, 2018 by ritonmousquetaire quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barnert Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, ritonmousquetaire said: Do you remember if he was playing the instrument we can see on this 2002 picture or if he was playing another one? I’m not sure what the instrument in the picture is, but two things I can say after hearing the sound file are that the instrument he is playing there is not the Bastari instrument he plays in the video seen earlier (can’t hear the octaves built into that instrument, and it sounds like real concertina reeds) and it is an instrument with more than the standard 46 buttons (I hear a low G, an octave and a half below middle C, where my 46 only goes down to the C below middle C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inventor Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I am playing the concertina pictured. The reeds are real concertina reeds, lowest is an F a tone below the G mentioned. Tune is Speaking Waltz, which I learned from a Peter Kennedy recording of the Donegal fiddler John Docherty. Sorry about the bad ending. Inventor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Timson Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) If I recall correctly it's a 10 sided duet made by the Dippers. Edit - although maybe not, since the one Brian is playing seems to have white buttons. Anyway the one above I encountered at a West Country Concertinas event so Brian must have played it at some time ... Chris Edited August 30, 2018 by Chris Timson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 the instrument shown in the pic seems to have coloured buttons (white in the center, black left and right) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inventor Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The instrument is similar to the one shown. but with a few more buttons. These buttons are black and white like the keys on a piano, so that I could easily show people how the system worked. Inventor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, inventor said: These buttons are black and white like the keys on a piano, so that I could easily show people how the system worked. Makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 When I first got my Beaumont I felt that having the accidentals in black and the rest in white would have helped as I kept getting lost, sometimes playing in F on the LHS while playing in G on the RHS! A couple of months later and I seem to have got over that (mostly) but I still think it is a good idea. I asked the Button Box to sell me some white buttons but they do not make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inventor Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) The black and white are not for my benefit, as I had previously played instruments with all the same colored buttons. They were to clearly show how the key of C sat on the instrument. Then to demonstrate that by moving to the right you added sharps (and lost the farthest leftmost white buttons), or by moving to the left you added flats (and lost the farthest rightmost white buttons). Inventor. Edited August 30, 2018 by inventor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritonmousquetaire Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Chris Timson said: If I recall correctly it's a 10 sided duet made by the Dippers. Edit - although maybe not, since the one Brian is playing seems to have white buttons. Anyway the one above I encountered at a West Country Concertinas event so Brian must have played it at some time ... Chris That's a beauty! Looks like it has quite a lot of button too. I didn't know that the Dippers had built some Hayden duets in the past, do you know why they didn't include that model in their "standard" production? 17 hours ago, inventor said: I am playing the concertina pictured. The reeds are real concertina reeds, lowest is an F a tone below the G mentioned. Tune is Speaking Waltz, which I learned from a Peter Kennedy recording of the Donegal fiddler John Docherty. Sorry about the bad ending. Inventor. Thanks for the information! What's the highest note of this instrument? Edited August 30, 2018 by ritonmousquetaire incomplete message Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Timson Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) No idea about the highest note. It'll be in the mid 90s that I took that photo. It was a special order from someone who wanted a 10 sided Hayden and Colin fancied a challenge. An awful lot of their output is specials, like this one or my baritone anglo. Chris Edited August 31, 2018 by Chris Timson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inventor Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 My instrument goes up to an A (same as the top note of a full sized piano-accordion, 3 semitones below to top note of a 48 button standard treble English concertina). The amber bellows metal button concertina goes up to the G a tone below mine, and only down to a G (the same as the bottom note of a baritone English concertina). Inventor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barnert Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 One detail is still missing in all this: Who made the concertina Brian is playing in the sound clip and photograph? I’m not aware Dipper (or Dickinson, for that matter) made instruments with black and white buttons, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloduet Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 > Inventor: Do you know if there is a list of the different models of hayden duet concertinas made before the currently available instruments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barnert Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I doubt there is such a list, unless we compile it here. I can try to get it started. When I started playing in the mid-late 1980s, I was aware of three sources of Hayden concertinas. Bastari was making them with accordion reeds in either the hexagonal 46-key format or the square 67-key format mentioned earlier in this thread. Steve Dickinson (Wheatstone) and Colin & Rosalie Dipper were making high-end ones with real reeds and traditional English manufacturing techniques. A few folks (Brian, Dana Johnson) made one-off examples out of other types of concertinas. As far as I know, that's all that there were in, say, 1987. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inventor Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) Made by Robin Scard. 1 offs by H Crabb & sons (the very first), Nicoli of Moscow, Marcus of Wales, Connor, and recently a small one by Alex Holden; I hope he will make more. There were also conversions made by Neville Crabb, and Dana Johnson. I attempted a conversion, years ago when I very first had the idea, but didn't end up with a playable instrument. I Have written about this instrument several times. Inventor. Edited September 2, 2018 by inventor remembered Connor was the name that I forgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloduet Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Thank you David and Inventor. I think that it's important to collect all this information and if possible the place where all this different instruments are now. Didie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inventor Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) Unfortunately there are security issues surrounding the whereabouts of valuable instruments. No matter how much you might insure an instrument for, you may still end up at the bottom of a seven plus year waiting list for a replacement. Inventor. Edited September 2, 2018 by inventor noticed an accidental extra word - now removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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