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Rochelle Or Something Else? Beginner

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I'm an English Morris dancer and play mainly English tunes in the harmonic style (tune underpinned by chords, basses and harmonies) which means most of what I play on a CG box would be in C or G. Irish players tend to play single line melodies with only minimal accompaniment. This allows them to roam free across more keys, often playing in D or A on a C G box. To do this, they need more than 20 buttons, and 30 is the norm.

 

Mikefule, I hope I am not hijacking this thread, but do you feel a 20 button anglo is sufficient for most English tunes? I don't play the concertina yet (I am learning the D/G melodeon) but I would eventually like to acquire a C/G anglo. Would 20 buttons be sufficient for playing harmonic style arrangements of English tunes, possibly including accompanying songs? My top musical "role model" at the moment is John Kirkpatrick, and I believe he plays a 40 button anglo and makes use of them all! But of course I'm not looking to play professionally or revolutionize the folk world, just to play for my own enjoyment.

 

 

Certainly, there is a lot that you can do harmonically on a 20 button, especially if you take the additional trouble to play across the rows in the higher of the two main keys (G on a C/G box).

 

Of course, the 30 button offers more and easier accompaniment options. I also have a 38 (unfortunately B flat/F so useless for Morris sessions) but I only tend to use the extra buttons for non-Morris tunes.

 

I believe it to be the case that William Kimber learned on a 20b and when he was later given a box with more buttons, he stuck to using the core 20 for his Morris tunes, although he was perfectly able to use the others for his wider repertoire.

 

If you want to play with other Morris musicians you will find that G is the predominant key due to the melodeon.

 

Playing in G on a C/G Anglo can get a bit squeaky on some tunes. However it is great on tunes that go down below the tonic.

 

Playing in G on G/D box has more limited chords - I especially miss the E minor push.

 

If you play solo and put the work in, it's very rewarding.

 

Most Morris tunes are in one straight key with no accidentals. The same goes for generic country dance tunes. However, many Playford style tunes need the extra notes of a 30 button.

 

To me, the big thing about a 20 b is it makes you work with the core Anglo layout and it emphasises the quirky character of the Anglo sound: sometimes rich harmonies, but often sparse and sometimes limited to raw octaves, fifths or thirds. It makes me understand the music better. However, there is no doubt that the 30 (or more) button is more versatile.

 

Here are a couple of my videos of English tunes on 20b. Other and better musicians are available!

 

https://youtu.be/hYfte-gRcI0

 

https://youtu.be/YylmQXQ2KLI

 

https://youtu.be/GUkAHuTzqIc

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...I've look at Concertina Connection Rochelle's that I've heard are much better than 'Made in China' (like mine!)...

 

I've not played one, but FWIW, Harry Geuns offers a 'deal' on the Rochelle (http://bandoneon-maker.com/rochelle/). From memory,

the last time I looked, the Euro price, when converted to Sterling was significantly lower than the price being quoted by dealers in

the U.K. I was tempted but never followed up. Worth looking at? The exchange rate may have changed though...

 

Roger

Edited by lachenal74693

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Have you seen the videos of the Tina? I just googled Tina concertina video and got a couple right off. It sounds very good for the price. Having 30 buttons will make it possible to learn from the Oaim site. There are not many tunes that avoid that third row after you get done with the Basics lessons. You will have a C# which is most common, but also some of the lower accidentals introduced fairly rapidly as the lessons progress. Having the c# will make it possible to play a lot of tune sets which often alternate keys tune to tune. I don't know anything about their durabiity, maybe someone else on the site could speak to that.

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I'd like to say a bit thanks to everyone that contributed to this post :)

After much deliberation and discussion I've decided to go with a Rochelle and have one on the way from Concertina Connection from the U.S. They have sold me a preloved one for £290 pounds that includes postage and packaging.

 

To say I'm excited, is an understatement!!

 

 

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Hi Latetothegame - I didn't see the video of the Tina, but I was almost about to buy one actually. You've probably now seen my post above. But I did give the Tina a lot of thought.

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I've decided to go with a Rochelle and have one on the way from Concertina Connection from the U.S. They have sold me a preloved one for £290 pounds that includes postage and packaging.

 

To say I'm excited, is an understatement!!

 

 

Excellent. May it bring you much joy and be the first of many. :)

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Well done. Played a Rochelle happily for a year before taking advantage of the trade-up program at the Buttonbox and getting a Ceili. I don't think you'll have any regrets with your Rochelle.

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So I eventually bought a second hand Rochelle from Concertina Connection in the U.S. I had no idea that I'd have to pay almost £70 to get it through customs!! So, that kind of brought the price up A LOT for me!

I had a quick go on it at work (it got delivered there) and have finally managed to bring it home on my bike today. Having had a tinker on it, I noticed that one of the notes is really fuzzy - so I'm a bit disappointed that I wasn't told about the condition of it before I bought it. Is there anything I can do about this, in terms of getting it fixed?

Looking forward to properly having a go tomorrow - I'm following OIAM online at the moment and learning Maggie in the woods.

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There is quite a long write up n this in the "Instrument Construction and Repair" forum here on cnet. It should be easy.

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