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Graham Collicutt

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Interesting what one can learn from the bidding history, given information from another recent thread (identifying 1***1 as Chris Algar)... on this instrument, he placed his initial bid - more than double what was then the top visible bid - six seconds before close of auction. Chris didn't win, because the person he was bidding against was willing to pay more.

 

From this, I assume Chris uses an auto-bid programme to place a closing-seconds initial bid which, while not against the rules, does strike me as both unsporting and unnecessary (given how eBay works), not to mention in some cases ineffective (as here) unless his object is to prevent other people from getting bargains while not actually caring whether he wins auctions....

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This has been discussed here before. I'm an unsophisticated bidder on occasion myself. I've come around to the view that since eBay rules make last-minute bidding entirely feasible and allowed, it is a legitimate approach. Chris Algar, who knows the market better than anyone, decides what the maximum is that he will pay for an item and bids on it once. What I find silly are the folks who bid over and over trying to figure out someone else's maximum. They don't seem to know the maximum they themselves are willing to pay going into the auction - not the best strategy at a live auction, in my experience, and probably not on eBay either. They are probably not in the musical instrument business.

 

Twenty years ago when he started this web site, Paul Schwarz said that the the disadvantage of sales on the internet (including auctions) is that one is less likely to find a super bargain (a Jeffries for 15 quid) than in the old days. He then said the strength of the internet is that you are far less likely than in the old days to pay appreciably more than something is worth. I'm old enough to remember paying too much for things and know that he is right.

 

These days bargains are more likely at yard/boot sales and in charity shops, if one is willing to put in the time and travel. And many of us do love that chase...

 

Ken

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This is the first ''New Model'' anglo I have seen, didn't bid enough but never mind.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282677939599?ul_noapp=true

 

You have to click on original listing.

 

I've not seen one of these before either Graham. 8 fold bellows and what look enormously high hand rails for a vintage anglo. Anyone know what the ck (or is it ek) in the fretwork means?

 

Adrian

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This has been discussed here before. I'm an unsophisticated bidder on occasion myself. I've come around to the view that since eBay rules make last-minute bidding entirely feasible and allowed, it is a legitimate approach. Chris Algar, who knows the market better than anyone, decides what the maximum is that he will pay for an item and bids on it once. What I find silly are the folks who bid over and over trying to figure out someone else's maximum. They don't seem to know the maximum they themselves are willing to pay going into the auction - not the best strategy at a live auction, in my experience, and probably not on eBay either. They are probably not in the musical instrument business.

I agree with Ken, last second bidding (sniping) doesn't work every time, but on average you're more likely to win, and pay a lower final price, than if you bid early. It's because people behave illogically, and frequently respond to seeing they have been outbid by deciding they want the item more than they thought they did, and increasing their maximum bid. There are ways that eBay could prevent this if they wanted to.

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Returning to the concertina, what do people make of the EK/CK engraved within the fretwork. The commissioner of this instrument?

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This is the first ''New Model'' anglo I have seen, didn't bid enough but never mind.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282677939599?ul_noapp=true

 

You have to click on original listing.

 

I've not seen one of these before either Graham. 8 fold bellows and what look enormously high hand rails for a vintage anglo. Anyone know what the ck (or is it ek) in the fretwork means?

 

Adrian

 

I knew these existed but I hadn't seen one before either. Looks like they usually (or at least sometimes) came with 7-fold bellows, according to http://www.concertina.com/pricelists/lachenal/Lachenal-Pricelist-All-c1930.pdf .

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