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Dating A Lachenal From The Serial Number

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Hello,

 I would like to know the date of my New Model, #59204, it’s an English treble. 

Ebonised ends, silver plated metal fittings. 
 

Another New Model, English treble, metal ends, #39818

 

thank you very much!

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On 4/2/2020 at 8:32 AM, Paul Read said:

Excellent.  Thank you so much.  I was expecting the Lachenal to be later.  I am also working on an old 30-button that was tuned by T. Brock of Toronto, concertina teacher and repairer,  in April 1902.  151369.  It's had a much harder life that the other.  Surprising it needed tuning so soon after manufacture, unless he was changing the pitch of course.

It turns out to be an Ab/Eb perhaps he converted it.  It has an absolutley superb set of reeds.

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Christian,

No. 59204     circa 1923

No. 39818      circa 1897

 

Paul,

No. 151369      1896

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Thanks again Randy

Edited by Paul Read
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Paul,

15584         c 1890

27590         c 1887

30566         c 1891

36733         c 1898

52313         c 1911

57494         c 1919

57544         c 1919

57970         c 1920

58748         c 1921

167221      c 1899

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6 hours ago, Dowright said:

15584         c 1890

 

 

Is that a typo? Its label is Louis Lachenal not Lachenal & Co, so I'd expect before 1873? Also,  that number is earlier than the next one that you dated as 1887?

 

Also, can you date  55936, which is what is on the bellows of the tina whose reedpans are stamped 57544?

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Sorry for the typo.  No 15584 is circa 1870 instead of 1890.

No. 55936 is circa 1914.

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Ooh that's excellent. Thank you Downright.

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Squeezebox",

No 49427      circa 1878  (I have a receipt for No. 46951 dated 1 January 1878)

No 142125    circa 1895 (receipt for No. 140871, October 1895)

I would appreciate descriptions of them, beyond just Anglo--number of keys,  wood/metal fret, bone/metal buttons, steel/brass reeds, number of bellows folds.

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1 hour ago, Dowright said:

I would appreciate descriptions of them, beyond just Anglo--number of keys,  wood/metal fret, bone/metal buttons, steel/brass reeds, number of bellows folds.

Thanks!

They are both simple models in C/G with the same wooden fretwork, 5 fold bellows and bone buttons. No 49427 is a 20-button with brass reeds and No 142125 is a 30-button with steel reeds. They don’t have fancy bellows or bushing in the button holes, so I imagine they were made for home use rather than performance. I can post photos if you’d like.

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Oh, and that correlates quite nicely with the writing inside 142125, saying it was tuned on 4th September 1897 by an S. Wooding of Liverpool Road, Newcastle under Lyme, and another mostly illegible address dated as 10th December 1896. 
I don’t think it has been tuned since!

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Hello, Dowright, could I please trespass on your good nature and ask if you could give me a date for my two Lachenal concertinas?

First one - 68key MacCann duet, no 2184. Metal ends and buttons, extended hexagon shape, steel reeds, radial reed pans.

Second one - 55 key MacCann duet, no 1876. Riveted action, steel reeds, parallel reed pans, extended hexagon, metal buttons and ends, but ends not original. Inside is a picture of its owner and the written legend “ Harland and Rollison, musical grotesques” and a Bradford address. Very many thanks, Dave.( I have photographs of both if they were useful)

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Hello Dowright,

 

If of interest would you care to add to your excellent database:

 

Lachenal Anglo 32b C/G . Very nicely restored by Andrew Norman Co, Shrewsbury UK

Solid Rosewood ends. Bone buttons. 6 fold 'original' bellows. Steel reeds. Extra buttons are Whistle and Squeak.

Weight: 1154g

Reedpan Serial 23681

Bellows Serial 23296

Believed to date pre 1878 (Louis Lachenal) but 6 fold bellows may have been substituted for 5 fold in 1882 possibly during a repair.

Plays very well.

 

Any comment most welcome. Photo attached. 

 

Regards and thanks

 

Rob

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