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Dating A Lachenal From The Serial Number

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Saltwater,

I date your No. 46453 to circa 1907. My guess is that it has 56 keys ( which would be the same as No 46455).  Right? And it has wood fretwork and metal keys. Right?

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Hi Randy.  I'd like a date estimate for Lachenal English #29079.

 

48-button treble, brass reeds, rosewood ends.

 

To sell this for a friend, I'm preparing a web page with lots of photos, so for more details I'll point you to that once it's finished.

 

Oh, yeah.  Internal pencil inscription says, among other things, "1900 Leeds". 

 

Cheers.

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Jim.

I have a note to myself, saying "29000 around 1889". I think 1890 is a good estimate for No 29079. Bills of sale for No. 32620 and No. 32621 are dated 1894 and March 1895, respectively.

I think that Lachenal production in the period was about 800 English concertinas per year. So I will go with circa 1890.

Merry Christmas.

Randy

Edited by Dowright
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Hi, Can you help with any information about this concertina?

48 key English Concertina ( 24 keys each side ) made by Lachenal, Serial No 26906.

 

Many thanks, Michael

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Hi, everyone a fascinating read and very helpful in gathering a date on a precious instrument, shedding more light on its life.

I think I have managed to date my gem from the first page of this thread, thanks in particular to Dowright but also Mike and John, so a “Lachenal and co” label on an 48 button EC with Rosewood ends and fancy brass inlays having a serial number of 49209 = circa 1909 ?

 

The Lachenal labelled box accompanying the concertina is a leather one and I did manage to find in an old 1905 Lachenal price list online, a description of a 48 button EC with rosewood ends having a leather case, interestingly you could upgrade the concertina to nickel end plates for an extra 22 shillings!

 

Concerning the Lachenal production numbers per year, 3000+ is this approximated to EC’s, Anglos and Duets combined?

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MakT,

I cannot do any better than your estimate of circa 1909 for No 49209. This is in a range where I have some seemingly contradicting "evidence." In the past, I commented on caution about confusing a resale date and an original sale date, based on handwritten dates inside the instruments. Something that I think has not been discussed is the confusing  of purchase dates and manufacturing dates. Today, there are waiting lists for new concertinas in the quality range of Lachenal. However, Lachenal had an inventory. Picture the following: It is 1913 and you step into the very small showroom at Lachenal headquarters. Directly in front of you is a showcase with several finished Lachenal concertinas. Hanging on the wall behind the case is a large poster showing Dutch Daly, comedian/concertinst.  Inside the  case is English-system N. 49209 which has been languishing in the showcase since its manufacture in 1909.

 

You asked about 3000+ for the average annual production of Lachena English/Anglo/duet  concertinas. That is not a bad guess.  In the first decade of the 20th century, the average was about 1500 per year. for English, 1500 per year for Angle. and 170 per year for Crane and Maccann duets combined. 

 

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Makt,

I am thinking that your  saying "fancy brass inlays" indicates that your concertina is an Inimitable model. Can you check it out?

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17 hours ago, Dowright said:

MakT,

I cannot do any better than your estimate of circa 1909 for No 49209. This is in a range where I have some seemingly contradicting "evidence." In the past, I commented on caution about confusing a resale date and an original sale date, based on handwritten dates inside the instruments. Something that I think has not been discussed is the confusing  of purchase dates and manufacturing dates. Today, there are waiting lists for new concertinas in the quality range of Lachenal. However, Lachenal had an inventory. Picture the following: It is 1913 and you step into the very small showroom at Lachenal headquarters. Directly in front of you is a showcase with several finished Lachenal concertinas. Hanging on the wall behind the case is a large poster showing Dutch Daly, comedian/concertinst.  Inside the  case is English-system N. 49209 which has been languishing in the showcase since its manufacture in 1909.

 

You asked about 3000+ for the average annual production of Lachena English/Anglo/duet  concertinas. That is not a bad guess.  In the first decade of the 20th century, the average was about 1500 per year. for English, 1500 per year for Angle. and 170 per year for Crane and Maccann duets combined. 

 

Dowright, Many thanks to your reply, I appreciate that even an approximation is better than nothing so late 19 th Century or early 20th is better than nothing. I like the picture you paint concerning shopping for an instrument, I shall leave this to the imagination.

 

Concerning an inimitable model or not I will know more when the instrument insides has been looked at more closely.

 

Thanks again for sharing your resourcing knowledge.

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Dear Randy,

Could I perhaps also request a dating for a recently acquired, mahogany ended, brass reeded, 20 button Anglo #36768 ?

Many thanks in advance,

Neil

 

Edited by nkgibbs

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I recently bought a 61 key Edeophone with metal ends, presumably a Duet. waiting for it to arrive next week.

Would the serial number 2880 be correct for this?

Many thanks, Robert

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I'm working on a Lachenal rosewood-ended anglo with the interesting number 144,444.  Would that be around 1915 is?  Also Edeophone53880?  Many thanks.

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nkgibbs,

No. 36768 Anglo is tough to date, by I would guess circa 1874. I wish I could be as definite as I am about the ones for Paul Reed, below.

Paul Reed,

No 1444444 Anglo was made in 1896. No. 53880 Edeophone was made in June 1923. The Anglo certainly was not purchased by a Chinese; they are extremely superstitious about the number "4".

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7 hours ago, Dowright said:

nkgibbs,

No. 36768 Anglo is tough to date, by I would guess circa 1874. I wish I could be as definite as I am about the ones for Paul Reed, below.

Paul Reed,

No 1444444 Anglo was made in 1896. No. 53880 Edeophone was made in June 1923. The Anglo certainly was not purchased by a Chinese; they are extremely superstitious about the number "4".

Excellent.  Thank you so much.  I was expecting the Lachenal to be later.  I am also working on an old 30-button that was tuned by T. Brock of Toronto, concertina teacher and repairer,  in April 1902.  151369.  It's had a much harder life that the other.  Surprising it needed tuning so soon after manufacture, unless he was changing the pitch of course.

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On 3/28/2020 at 10:03 AM, robert stewart said:

I recently bought a 61 key Edeophone with metal ends, presumably a Duet. waiting for it to arrive next week.

Would the serial number 2880 be correct for this?

Many thanks, Robert

Lachenal Edeophone, Maccann Duet, 61 keys, metal ends set in wooden frame with ebony veneers. number 2880 confirmed.

What year might this be?

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On 4/2/2020 at 12:43 PM, Dowright said:

nkgibbs,

No. 36768 Anglo is tough to date, by I would guess circa 1874. I wish I could be as definite as I am about the ones for Paul Reed, below.

Paul Reed,

No 1444444 Anglo was made in 1896. No. 53880 Edeophone was made in June 1923. The Anglo certainly was not purchased by a Chinese; they are extremely superstitious about the number "4".

 

Dear Randy, 

Many thanks for the dating of this Anglo. The c1874 date fits in with the concertina not having the 1878/9 reed trademark.

Best regards, Neil

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