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rar27 No 172103   Circa 1902 Paul Draper No 149617   Circa 1896 Hewene  No 164988    Circa 1898 Len2307   No 152698  Circa 1896

Seth, No. 197411 made in 1926. (I have  the receipt for No. 196865, dated 9 January 1926. In this case, I know that it is a 20 key, previously sold on Ebay.) Dick, Seth, and Others, If

I should have indicated that, if you send me a serial number and description for your Lachenal concertina, I will gladly provide an approximate of the year of manufacture. It will be a while before I

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Hi Randy.  I'd like a date estimate for Lachenal English #29079.

 

48-button treble, brass reeds, rosewood ends.

 

To sell this for a friend, I'm preparing a web page with lots of photos, so for more details I'll point you to that once it's finished.

 

Oh, yeah.  Internal pencil inscription says, among other things, "1900 Leeds". 

 

Cheers.

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Jim.

I have a note to myself, saying "29000 around 1889". I think 1890 is a good estimate for No 29079. Bills of sale for No. 32620 and No. 32621 are dated 1894 and March 1895, respectively.

I think that Lachenal production in the period was about 800 English concertinas per year. So I will go with circa 1890.

Merry Christmas.

Randy

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Hi, everyone a fascinating read and very helpful in gathering a date on a precious instrument, shedding more light on its life.

I think I have managed to date my gem from the first page of this thread, thanks in particular to Dowright but also Mike and John, so a “Lachenal and co” label on an 48 button EC with Rosewood ends and fancy brass inlays having a serial number of 49209 = circa 1909 ?

 

The Lachenal labelled box accompanying the concertina is a leather one and I did manage to find in an old 1905 Lachenal price list online, a description of a 48 button EC with rosewood ends having a leather case, interestingly you could upgrade the concertina to nickel end plates for an extra 22 shillings!

 

Concerning the Lachenal production numbers per year, 3000+ is this approximated to EC’s, Anglos and Duets combined?

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MakT,

I cannot do any better than your estimate of circa 1909 for No 49209. This is in a range where I have some seemingly contradicting "evidence." In the past, I commented on caution about confusing a resale date and an original sale date, based on handwritten dates inside the instruments. Something that I think has not been discussed is the confusing  of purchase dates and manufacturing dates. Today, there are waiting lists for new concertinas in the quality range of Lachenal. However, Lachenal had an inventory. Picture the following: It is 1913 and you step into the very small showroom at Lachenal headquarters. Directly in front of you is a showcase with several finished Lachenal concertinas. Hanging on the wall behind the case is a large poster showing Dutch Daly, comedian/concertinst.  Inside the  case is English-system N. 49209 which has been languishing in the showcase since its manufacture in 1909.

 

You asked about 3000+ for the average annual production of Lachena English/Anglo/duet  concertinas. That is not a bad guess.  In the first decade of the 20th century, the average was about 1500 per year. for English, 1500 per year for Angle. and 170 per year for Crane and Maccann duets combined. 

 

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MakT,

I cannot do any better than your estimate of circa 1909 for No 49209. This is in a range where I have some seemingly contradicting "evidence." In the past, I commented on caution about confusing a resale date and an original sale date, based on handwritten dates inside the instruments. Something that I think has not been discussed is the confusing  of purchase dates and manufacturing dates. Today, there are waiting lists for new concertinas in the quality range of Lachenal. However, Lachenal had an inventory. Picture the following: It is 1913 and you step into the very small showroom at Lachenal headquarters. Directly in front of you is a showcase with several finished Lachenal concertinas. Hanging on the wall behind the case is a large poster showing Dutch Daly, comedian/concertinst.  Inside the  case is English-system N. 49209 which has been languishing in the showcase since its manufacture in 1909.

 

You asked about 3000+ for the average annual production of Lachena English/Anglo/duet  concertinas. That is not a bad guess.  In the first decade of the 20th century, the average was about 1500 per year. for English, 1500 per year for Angle. and 170 per year for Crane and Maccann duets combined. 

 

Dowright, Many thanks to your reply, I appreciate that even an approximation is better than nothing so late 19 th Century or early 20th is better than nothing. I like the picture you paint concerning shopping for an instrument, I shall leave this to the imagination.

 

Concerning an inimitable model or not I will know more when the instrument insides has been looked at more closely.

 

Thanks again for sharing your resourcing knowledge.

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nkgibbs,

No. 36768 Anglo is tough to date, by I would guess circa 1874. I wish I could be as definite as I am about the ones for Paul Reed, below.

Paul Reed,

No 1444444 Anglo was made in 1896. No. 53880 Edeophone was made in June 1923. The Anglo certainly was not purchased by a Chinese; they are extremely superstitious about the number "4".

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nkgibbs,

No. 36768 Anglo is tough to date, by I would guess circa 1874. I wish I could be as definite as I am about the ones for Paul Reed, below.

Paul Reed,

No 1444444 Anglo was made in 1896. No. 53880 Edeophone was made in June 1923. The Anglo certainly was not purchased by a Chinese; they are extremely superstitious about the number "4".

Excellent.  Thank you so much.  I was expecting the Lachenal to be later.  I am also working on an old 30-button that was tuned by T. Brock of Toronto, concertina teacher and repairer,  in April 1902.  151369.  It's had a much harder life that the other.  Surprising it needed tuning so soon after manufacture, unless he was changing the pitch of course.

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On 3/28/2020 at 10:03 AM, robert stewart said:

I recently bought a 61 key Edeophone with metal ends, presumably a Duet. waiting for it to arrive next week.

Would the serial number 2880 be correct for this?

Many thanks, Robert

Lachenal Edeophone, Maccann Duet, 61 keys, metal ends set in wooden frame with ebony veneers. number 2880 confirmed.

What year might this be?

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On 4/2/2020 at 12:43 PM, Dowright said:

nkgibbs,

No. 36768 Anglo is tough to date, by I would guess circa 1874. I wish I could be as definite as I am about the ones for Paul Reed, below.

Paul Reed,

No 1444444 Anglo was made in 1896. No. 53880 Edeophone was made in June 1923. The Anglo certainly was not purchased by a Chinese; they are extremely superstitious about the number "4".

 

Dear Randy, 

Many thanks for the dating of this Anglo. The c1874 date fits in with the concertina not having the 1878/9 reed trademark.

Best regards, Neil

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