Dating A Lachenal From The Serial Number

[Stephen Chambers]

51 minutes ago, Mike Acott said:

... the end boxes are not split in half like a normal  Lachenal but more like some cheaper continental made instruments. ... I will see if I can get a couple of photos off to you

 

Thanks Mike, I've only ever seen that continental style of construction on early examples of the mahogany-ended Lachenal People's Concertina, and on (the very closely numbered) #9952 that had what appeared to be "Killarney Ware" inlaid marquetry ends.

[Valentin Nnourdin]

On 11/6/2023 at 11:16 AM, wes williams said:

Hi Valentin,

We would estimate Anglo 76103 as circa 1883 and English 35066 as 1897.

Hi,

 

The first number wasn't clear but in fact my Anglo has id 176103, could you date it ?

 

Thanks a lot,

Valentin

[wes williams]

Hi Valentin,

Six digit numbers often have the first '1' hidden by the fretwork. 176103 would be circa 1905.

[Valentin Nnourdin]

Yes that's the case, and the seller wasn't really attentive.

Thanks !

[iconstab]

I am looking at a Lachenal English baritone, 44 keys, slightly raised key areas, number 55209 on metal escutcheon, that has been through Chris Algar's hands so it may already be in your records. I would be interested in knowing its date. Thanks for your sterling work!

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[d.elliott]

iconstab,

 

Raised ends = 'a new model' design, 44 keys would indicate that the lower octave or so of reeds are not radially mounted but are parallel, and of a much larger design than the rest of the range, I always think of these as being a 'band design' giving more volume and punch than a 48k fully radial design. The top end of the 48k range being sacrificed to create sufficient space. 

 

55209 serial would be around 1912/ perhaps early 1913.  (based upon research by others) 

[iconstab]

43 minutes ago, d.elliott said:

iconstab,

 

Raised ends = 'a new model' design, 44 keys would indicate that the lower octave or so of reeds are not radially mounted but are parallel, and of a much larger design than the rest of the range, I always think of these as being a 'band design' giving more volume and punch than a 48k fully radial design. The top end of the 48k range being sacrificed to create sufficient space. 

 

55209 serial would be around 1912/ perhaps early 1913.  (based upon research by others) 

Thanks for this. Yes, it's a great box - the sound is not only rich but loud, but still plays reasonably fast. I won't miss the upper notes - I never stray that far on the treble either (bat territory).

[Stephen Chambers]

On 11/22/2023 at 3:10 PM, d.elliott said:

Raised ends = 'a new model' design, 44 keys would indicate that the lower octave or so of reeds are not radially mounted but are parallel, and of a much larger design than the rest of the range, I always think of these as being a 'band design' giving more volume and punch than a 48k fully radial design. The top end of the 48k range being sacrificed to create sufficient space. 

 

I'd think of them as being intended to be "band instruments" Dave, and a strong influence on Colin Dipper's bass/baritone Anglos - like the ones Cormac Begley has.

[Theo]

I have one that seems to be from the same family but in this case a large size 37 key tenor New Model.

 

[sally roy]

Hi there,

I have an anglo Lachenal 20 button concertina. I don't see a serial number on the outside but a piece of paper that came with it says #165210. I am told it plays beautifully and is in good condition. I am wondering about it's approximate age and resale value. Thank you for your time.

[wes williams]

We would estimate 165210 as circa 1898. We can't give you a resale value as it depends very much on the condition and the amount of work needed to bring it up to playing standard,