David Clarke Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Thank you Stephen, The serial number is very clear - 54982. Unfortunately, the photo I have of the concertina is too large to send. I will take another photo and reduce its size, and try to send it again. Many thanks, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Clarke Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Stephen Chambers said: Welcome aboard David! There's a bit more to it than that I'm afraid, in that Lachenal's had more than one number sequence, for different types of concertinas, plus there's a potential ambiguity about Anglo serial numbers because of the huge number of them (more than 200,000!) that they made. Also, there's potentially a bit of a trade-off in information in that you can help us with the dating project by describing (or, better still, photographing) the instrument you have. So, if it's an English-system concertina (4 rows of buttons, usually totalling 48 in number), #54982 would have been made towards the end of 1912, whilst if it's an Anglo-system (2, or 3, rows of buttons, usually totalling 20, or 30, in number), #54982 would have been made in 1879, though there could be a lead digit 1 that's not immediately visible unless you look carefully for it, in which case the date for #154982 would be 1897. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Clarke Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Stephen Chambers said: Welcome aboard David! There's a bit more to it than that I'm afraid, in that Lachenal's had more than one number sequence, for different types of concertinas, plus there's a potential ambiguity about Anglo serial numbers because of the huge number of them (more than 200,000!) that they made. Also, there's potentially a bit of a trade-off in information in that you can help us with the dating project by describing (or, better still, photographing) the instrument you have. So, if it's an English-system concertina (4 rows of buttons, usually totalling 48 in number), #54982 would have been made towards the end of 1912, whilst if it's an Anglo-system (2, or 3, rows of buttons, usually totalling 20, or 30, in number), #54982 would have been made in 1879, though there could be a lead digit 1 that's not immediately visible unless you look carefully for it, in which case the date for #154982 would be 1897. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Clarke Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Hello Stephen, I hope the photographs will be okay. concertina.docconcertina.docconcertina.docconcertina.docconcertina.docconcertina.doc concertina (1).doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickT Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Mystery solved. On 11 Aug David Robertson mentioned a serial number query from June 2019 for a 56 key ET Edeophone. He now has a 48 on his bench with the same serial no. The confusion was caused be me; in my query I gave a sn of 39825 for my Edeophone, it should have been 39823. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, DickT said: Mystery solved. On 11 Aug David Robertson mentioned a serial number query from June 2019 for a 56 key ET Edeophone. He now has a 48 on his bench with the same serial no. .... It was Dave Elliott's bench, not David Robertson's. Edited September 9, 2022 by Leonard Adding the second 't' in Elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickT Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Read Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Lachenal 30-button, rosewood-ended 6-fold bellows, steel reeds 130021. I'm guessing 1892 based on info in previous responses? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Paul Read said: Lachenal 30-button, rosewood-ended 6-fold bellows, steel reeds 130021. I'm guessing 1892 based on info in previous responses? Thanks. Close, but 1893 according to the most recent tweak of the estimates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 7:20 AM, David Clarke said: Hello Stephen, I hope the photographs will be okay. Thanks David, plenty good enough to tell that it's a basic 20-key Anglo with mahogany ends. It may have brass reeds, which was the cheapest option, or steel reeds, which are better - if they're steel it will be stamped into the strap handle on the right-hand side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Read Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Stephen Chambers said: Close, but 1893 according to the most recent tweak of the estimates. Thanks Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerT Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Hello, I’ve got a 48key steel reeded Lachenal EC with brass inlay, serial #16812. Are you able to date this for me please? picture attached. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Roger, We'd estimate 16812 as circa 1871. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerT Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, wes williams said: Roger, We'd estimate 16812 as circa 1871. Thanks v much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprunghub Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Could you advise/confirm on a Lachenal made, 32k ( all note reeds / no whistles, duck calls etc ); full width, fairly simple fret pattern metal ends, 5 fold bellows, steel reeds with bone buttons, ser. no. 104785. A relatively 'close' number previously advised as being from April 1888? but may have been subject to revision. Tia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Sprunghub said: Could you advise/confirm on a Lachenal made, 32k ( all note reeds / no whistles, duck calls etc ); full width, fairly simple fret pattern metal ends, 5 fold bellows, steel reeds with bone buttons, ser. no. 104785. A relatively 'close' number previously advised as being from April 1888? but may have been subject to revision. The latest revision indicates 1889 for #104785. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprunghub Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Many thanks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Acott Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Can any one give a date for Lachenal no 23503 a48 key Amboyna, raised ends brown bellows (recently replaced). Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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