Robin Harrison Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) A wondrous instrument here......images below but a few videos first. https://soundcloud.com/the-harry-robinson/liberty-bell-march-on-crabb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S95GjBQkS7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVM-DfmfIYM A 41 key double reeded English concertina. I don't as rule name my instruments but I've called this one "Big Red"....I've used it in sessions and it catches every-ones eye . I've found it a great session concertina, not because it is particularly loud but because it's tone is different from any other instrument and so is discernible. You don't need to play it loudly, just listen carefully. Nothing competes with 4 diatonic accordions etc, but in a balanced session you can hear this one. I've never had a problem with 41 keys for the English based repertoire I play. Lowest note G....highest note F Made in the 60's I believe; a set of three were made. One red, one white, one blue. In top condition.....bellows, frames reeds, pads great. I've just changed out all the valves. The valve frames are Dural ( I believe) so it is not a heavy instrument, I've played it standing up fine. Solid case. I paid £3000 but pre-negotiating here, I'll take £2750 plus shipping, insurance etc or US $ equivalent. If interested, I need payment when sale is agreed but I will probably be over in the UK in November and could deliver to a central point. Also to the Button Box area in May. Thanks for looking.....if seriously interested, more images available. Edited May 6, 2016 by Robin Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Robin Yes I see the wavy effect so it is not your monitor, maybe your camera. Ian Robb occasionally plays a double reeded EC which he told me that he borrowed from another player, maybe it is this one? A few pictures of the action and the reed pans would be very interesting. Don. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wild Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I notced the wave effect on Tom Tolley, but the other clip seemed clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Harrison Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 Thanks guys..it's OK on my original video on my PC so I don't know what has happened; I'll try uploading it again. Different concertina Don; Ian's is a Wheatstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Tell us about the 'wet' tuning of the reeds please...and how it 'centres' on A=440hz., or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_holden Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Does each pair of reeds share one chamber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Davies Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Made for a family group of concertina players,who from memory were called Dunham.They were ICA members when I was a member in the early 1970's.Geoff Crabb will be able to provide additional information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Harrison Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 One chamber, yes. Geoff.....it centres on 440 but I can't tell you too much............I've never serially measured them but they are around -12 and +6. Thanks Pics today plus better videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Read Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Robin Yes I see the wavy effect so it is not your monitor, maybe your camera. Ian Robb occasionally plays a double reeded EC which he told me that he borrowed from another player, maybe it is this one? A few pictures of the action and the reed pans would be very interesting. Don. It's a different one Don. I've seen Robin's beastie and worked on Ian's Wheatstone. Ian's has some really big reeds and basically has a treble size reed pan surrounded by the bass size chambers. Edited May 5, 2016 by Paul Read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_holden Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 That's fascinating, thanks for the clear pictures and recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Middleton-Metcalfe Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 That is... incredible. The accordeophone lives on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Ian's has some really big reeds and basically has a treble size reed pan surrounded by the bass size chambers.Does his play in octaves? If so, it must be enormous. Do you have any pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Harrison Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 Interesting subject for another thread ? Tx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) Interesting subject for another thread ? Tx Indeed it is... but I think it has been covered here a few years ago, with input from Ian Robb... just have to go searching a wee bit. Personally I like octave tuning, sort of Bandoneon sound, and often play passages in octaves on the EC. On accordions I don't mind a modicum of vibrato voicing but prefer it when there is also an octave voice in the mix. I wonder how one goes about tuning an instrument like this ? My normal method for tuning concertinas is to measure the pitch of each reed by playing the concertina, and note the cents deviation from where the notes are supposed to be. Then open the instrument and remove each reed that needs changing, in turn, and mount it on the tuning bellows for adjustment. So when there are two reeds playing for each button that proves difficult using this method and then there is the fact that normal 'musette' tuning is about keeping a constant beat between the two reeds throughout the range of the instrument. So it is usually either done by setting a Hertz difference between the two reeds, say one or two Hertz ( cycles per second) somewhere in the middle of the range and noting the speed of the wow wow . Then one proceeds to keep that wow wow speed for the lower and upper notes by tuning the 'off set' reed to the other by ear. I'm just trying to imagine a tuning table like those used by accordion repairers.... any suggestions ? Edited May 7, 2016 by Geoff Wooff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Harrison Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 I was really trying to make the point mu original post is in the "Buy & Sell " section ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Taylor Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Interesting subject for another thread ? Tx I am sorry Robin, I overlooked that your thread was in Buy and Sell. I will say no more.. Don. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Wooff Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Opps... ok Robin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Harrison Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 All good.....I am a serial offender ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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