SteveS Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 But now I'm waiting for you to get around to, "Gee, that F is so nice, I bet the E right below it would open up even more great possibilities." Bah! I've run out of buttons..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Now imagine that low F on a bari - the bari I have has very broad reeds and an amazing resonant quality to it. Can't wait to get the rest of the tuning fettled. That I do perfectly understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 But now I'm waiting for you to get around to, "Gee, that F is so nice, I bet the E right below it would open up even more great possibilities." Bah! I've run out of buttons..... No you haven't. There are other duplicates from which you could steal one of the two. Why not steal the next higher G#? Your low F is already out of pattern, so why not go even more out of pattern? (That's a somewhat rhetorical question, as I myself can think of good reasons why not.) I might suggest simply adding a couple more buttons, but I suspect there's no extra room in the action or reed pan for the additional levers and reeds. Then again, you've made complete new ends. How much harder to do complete new reed pans and action? By the way, back in the '70s I did hear of an English concertina with a lowest note of E below middle C, and incidentally with gold-plated ends. I never found out either what happened to it or its history. A special order for sure, but I've always wondered if its original owner intended it for playing classical guitar pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) But now I'm waiting for you to get around to, "Gee, that F is so nice, I bet the E right below it would open up even more great possibilities." Bah! I've run out of buttons..... No you haven't. There are other duplicates from which you could steal one of the two. Why not steal the next higher G#? Your low F is already out of pattern, so why not go even more out of pattern? (That's a somewhat rhetorical question, as I myself can think of good reasons why not.) I might suggest simply adding a couple more buttons, but I suspect there's no extra room in the action or reed pan for the additional levers and reeds. Then again, you've made complete new ends. How much harder to do complete new reed pans and action? Mmm, good idea By the way, back in the '70s I did hear of an English concertina with a lowest note of E below middle C, and incidentally with gold-plated ends. I never found out either what happened to it or its history. A special order for sure, but I've always wondered if its original owner intended it for playing classical guitar pieces. I have such a beast. It's a 56key Jones with metal ends, lowest note is E below middle C. Currently in need of restoration. Edited December 27, 2014 by SteveS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.elliott Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I have just about got into playing order a single action baritone.extended down to a 'C' Bass, much as a tenor treble is extended down. Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine ............... Sorry but one does get a bit carried away about these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I have just about got into playing order a single action baritone.extended down to a 'C' Bass, much as a tenor treble is extended down. Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine ............... Sorry but one does get a bit carried away about these things. No need for apologizing, I can just repeat myself, as I can easily understand that (too).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I might suggest simply adding a couple more buttons, but I suspect there's no extra room in the action or reed pan for the additional levers and reeds. Then again, you've made complete new ends. How much harder to do complete new reed pans and action? Mmm, good idea But if you go down to the E, you're already half way to a tenor-treble, so why stop there? However, if you really don't want to have C-through-Eb available, it might still be easier to get a tenor-treble and just remove the lowest few buttons, levers, and reeds By the way, back in the '70s I did hear of an English concertina with a lowest note of E below middle C, and incidentally with gold-plated ends. I never found out either what happened to it or its history. A special order for sure, but I've always wondered if its original owner intended it for playing classical guitar pieces. I have such a beast. It's a 56key Jones with metal ends, lowest note is E below middle C. Currently in need of restoration. Hmm. I'm surprised I didn't think of this before: Is it a standard treble extended down, or is it a transposing instrument? A treble layout transposing down to the key of A would have that E as it's lowest note, but in the usual low-G position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) I have just about got into playing order a single action baritone.extended down to a 'C' Bass, much as a tenor treble is extended down. Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine ............... Sorry but one does get a bit carried away about these things. A Swedish friend of mine has one of those -- a bass-baritone, -- but his is a double-action, 8-sided Crabb. Edited December 27, 2014 by JimLucas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 A Swedish friend of mine has one of those -- a bass-baritone, -- but his is a double-action, 8-sided Crabb... which is a lovely-sounding instrument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 But if you go down to the E, you're already half way to a tenor-treble, so why stop there? However, if you really don't want to have C-through-Eb available, it might still be easier to get a tenor-treble and just remove the lowest few buttons, levers, and reeds Jim, I guess you'll believe me when I'm telling you that this move had been expected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) I might suggest simply adding a couple more buttons, but I suspect there's no extra room in the action or reed pan for the additional levers and reeds. Then again, you've made complete new ends. How much harder to do complete new reed pans and action? Mmm, good idea But if you go down to the E, you're already half way to a tenor-treble, so why stop there? However, if you really don't want to have C-through-Eb available, it might still be easier to get a tenor-treble and just remove the lowest few buttons, levers, and reeds By the way, back in the '70s I did hear of an English concertina with a lowest note of E below middle C, and incidentally with gold-plated ends. I never found out either what happened to it or its history. A special order for sure, but I've always wondered if its original owner intended it for playing classical guitar pieces. I have such a beast. It's a 56key Jones with metal ends, lowest note is E below middle C. Currently in need of restoration. Hmm. I'm surprised I didn't think of this before: Is it a standard treble extended down, or is it a transposing instrument? A treble layout transposing down to the key of A would have that E as it's lowest note, but in the usual low-G position. Going down to the E below middle C it is half way to a T/T, extending down from a regular treble. At least I believe it's a middle C. The E is in the same position as an E on a T/T. As to whether it could be transposing to a key other than C, I've never figured out the button/note assignments having assumed it was in C (the 'tina isn't in playable condition). Edited December 27, 2014 by SteveS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Molkentin Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Having the F seated at the place of the Ab is sort of an irregularity, but still allows playing the open fifth with ornamentation around the C one octave above. I can't think of any other replacement falling that easily under the fingers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Having the F seated at the place of the Ab is sort of an irregularity, but still allows playing the open fifth with ornamentation around the C one octave above. I can't think of any other replacement falling that easily under the fingers... Oh, I agree, though as with just about any change, "You win a few; you lose a few." (But let's not forget Charlie Brown's wistful, "Gee, that'd be nice." ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Pierceall Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Both of my trebles have the low Ab weighted down to low F. I've had good results using cyanoacrylate glue to fasten small tabs of brass or steel to weight the tips. I overweight the tips and then file the weights down to pitch. The cyanoacrylate can be dissolved with acetone if the weights need to be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.elliott Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I have just about got into playing order a single action baritone.extended down to a 'C' Bass, much as a tenor treble is extended down. Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine, Mine ............... Sorry but one does get a bit carried away about these things. A Swedish friend of mine has one of those -- a bass-baritone, -- but his is a double-action, 8-sided Crabb. This is a Wheatstone with an extra Bb chucked in on the LH side, a one time Mexborough concertina Band instrument. Very fast and very noisy D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w.striediger Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) new reed and would almost certainly be needed. samsung galaxy tab 4 7.0 hülle Edited January 8, 2015 by w.striediger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Edgley Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 A heat sink like this (http://www.robotshop.com/ca/en/elenco-soldering-heatsink.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiAuMOlBRDf6_izz93n-pEBEiQAsJCJWo3zyOoNgrfoAtH2Opupwejsbj9AN7U-b-WbFF2MYJwaAnYF8P8HAQ) works very well and is made of aluminium which conducts heat away fro the reed even more efficiently. They cost around a dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Thanks Frank - I like the idea of this heatsink - I'll get one and give it a go next time I solder a reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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