HansiRowe Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I know that you may have seen this already in another thread on this forum but I thought that I would post it here too, as this is where it really belongs... My Lachenal Anglo with the serial number 87119 has just been dated to circa 1885 by Randall Merris, which I'm really pleased about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry McGee Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Can I add that we've been discussing the leaving of historical messages inside concertinas at the other location HansiRowe mentioned (prompted by image 3 above). It lead me to wonder if we should ask current makers to encourage owners and repairers to contribute to the future history of their instruments by including prompts for the information we'd like to find. You'll find that discussion at http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=17000 . It would be interesting to hear from historians what those prompts should be, and from makers, how best could it be achieved in practice? Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Hare Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) >My Lachenal Anglo with the serial number 87119 has just been dated to circa 1885 I've just acquired my first concertina - a Lachenal 20 button C/G Anglo. It has the serial number 74693 and I'm told it is dated to 1895. Looking at it 'logically', assuming that the serial numbers correlate (roughly) with date, there's an inconsistency here? So my question is, were these things numbered sequentially, or was there a different sequence of numbers for different models? Looking at the pictures, my instrument is similar to yours but not *exactly* the same - the 'window' through which the serial number is visible is a different shape on mine, so it's a different model? I can't see any information about Lachenal serial numbers on the Digital Concertina Archive which answers this question. I'm trying to find out as much about mine as I can. Any thoughts? Thanks. Roger Hare. Edited October 1, 2014 by lachenal74693 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 There have been a few different attempts at dating Lachenals, so you need to know which (whose?) method was used for the date you were given. I'd predict that serial number 74693 would be 1878-1887 based on work I did back in 2009 with Randall Merris's database from ~2007. My figures would give 1881-1887 for serial number 87119, so Randy may have acquired more data in the last seven years that gives him better estimates today. But we do agree generally on approximate dates. The figures I use for Lachenal anglos are somewhere on this site, but it won't hurt to give them again. 1..1500: 1862-1864 1500..3200: 1862-1867 3201..25200: 1862-1878 25201..44700: 1872-1878 44701..46999: 1876-1878 47000: 1878 47001..51000: 1878-1881 51001..61900: 1878-1885 61901..80600: 1878-1887 80601..92000: 1881-1887 92001..102500: 1885-1893 102501...14500:1885-1896 140501..144400: 1895-1897 144001..152600: 1895-1918 152601..172000: 1897-1918 172001..187400: 1904-1918 187401..196800: 1904-1927 196801..201100: 1926-1933 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansiRowe Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 "I've just acquired my first concertina - a Lachenal 20 button C/G Anglo." Hi Roger and fellow Lachenal 20 buttoned C/G Anglo player… can you post a photo of yours, would love to see it? Cheers, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Hare Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) >The figures I use for Lachenal anglos are somewhere on this site... Thank you for the serial numbers and projected dates. A lot more information than I had before! >can you post a photo of yours, would love to see it? I have sent pictures before restoration to your private email. It is my intention to use a picture of the infernal machine as my 'signature' picture when I get my act together... Roger Edited October 2, 2014 by lachenal74693 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansiRowe Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Sorry Roger, I can't find any message or photo from you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Hare Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) OK, I've tried to attach three pictures to this reply - seems to have worked. These pictures were taken about three weeks ago before restoration by Nigel Sture down here in Devon. Hope they are of interest. Roger Edited October 2, 2014 by lachenal74693 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansiRowe Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 Very nice Roger… yours has slightly different fret work but appears to be rosewood with bone buttons and 5 bellows like mine… nice one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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