david robertson Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 Following on from the Crane Aeola with EC fittings about which I posted a few days back, here's another from the same seller: a 67k MacCann which he describes as a baritone. I have to say that he knows very little about concertinas, and I don't know much about Duets, but does anyone know what baritone might mean in this context? I must stress that this instrument is not yet mine to sell, but if it should become so, is anyone interested?
inventor Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 The lowest note on the left hand side of a standard 67 button Maccann Duet is a baritone G (the one on the bottom line of the Bass staff). This is the same note as the lowest note of a baritone English concertina. Inventor,.
JimLucas Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 Following on from the Crane Aeola with EC fittings about which I posted a few days back, here's another from the same seller: a 67k MacCann which he describes as a baritone. I have to say that he knows very little about concertinas, and I don't know much about Duets, but does anyone know what baritone might mean in this context? I must stress that this instrument is not yet mine to sell, but if it should become so, is anyone interested? P1020154.JPG I believe there are a few duets that are marked in the Wheatstone ledgers as "baritone", and I've guessed that they're pitched an octave lower than normal, just as with Englishes. If an octave lower than a normal 67-button as described by Brian, then that would be deep indeed, but there are rare Englishes and I think even rarer anglos which go that low. Or it could be as Brian suggests, that the owner simply compared it to the range of a baritone English. Should be easy enough to check that out with this instrument, both its existing range and whether the ledgers have a "baritone" notation.
david robertson Posted June 29, 2014 Author Posted June 29, 2014 Following on from the Crane Aeola with EC fittings about which I posted a few days back, here's another from the same seller: a 67k MacCann which he describes as a baritone. I have to say that he knows very little about concertinas, and I don't know much about Duets, but does anyone know what baritone might mean in this context? I must stress that this instrument is not yet mine to sell, but if it should become so, is anyone interested? P1020154.JPG I believe there are a few duets that are marked in the Wheatstone ledgers as "baritone", and I've guessed that they're pitched an octave lower than normal, just as with Englishes. If an octave lower than a normal 67-button as described by Brian, then that would be deep indeed, but there are rare Englishes and I think even rarer anglos which go that low. Or it could be as Brian suggests, that the owner simply compared it to the range of a baritone English. Should be easy enough to check that out with this instrument, both its existing range and whether the ledgers have a "baritone" notation. The ledgers describe it only as a Model 39 Duet Octo, so no help there. If it really were an octave below a standard 67-key, I'd have expected it to be bigger than it looks - or else to weigh a ton, as a result of all the lead that would have to be involved!
Geoff Wooff Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) Scaling the keyboard width in the picture suggests that this instrument is 9 1/2 inches across.. whereas a normal 67key Maccann Aeola is just less than 8 3/4 inches... this might suggest a lower range?? Also the line of the lower end of the right hand keyboard suggests that the Eb button is not in the 'normal' position...... this then points to the lowest note being G ( below middle C).... as on a standard 81.... If one thinks of the right hand as being an octave below a 46 then the monika "Baritone" is reasonable. I had one like this and the left hand keyboard was standard 67 layout, down to G (or perhaps F) on the bottom line of the Bass Clef, it was not noted in the ledgers as "Baritone". Edited June 29, 2014 by Geoff Wooff
StuartEstell Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) My 67 Maccann goes down to G below middle C in the right hand - it's in the Wheatstone ledgers as an aeola (it isn't - it's 6-sided) but no mention of it being a "baritone". Edited June 29, 2014 by StuartEstell
david robertson Posted July 9, 2014 Author Posted July 9, 2014 I now have a little more information about this Aeola. According to the owner, the right hand runs from G-1 to G2 on the right hand, which appears to be a fifth below the normal range, while the left hand goes from F-2 to C1. It measures 10" across, so a bit of a beast. Anyone seen anything similar?
Geoff Wooff Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Yes that is almost the same as the one I traded with Dirge for my current (standard) 67key. As described 3 posts up from here, the one Dirge now owns has 70keys and the ends are made of Brittannia Metal, which impart a delicious tone to the instrument. It is described as a "Caledonian" in the Wheatstone ledgers. Edited July 9, 2014 by Geoff Wooff
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