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Geoff Wooff
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For sale a Wheatstone 48 key English Model 22( with raised ends) made in 1920, Number 28300. It has a six fold bellows of much later construction (probably by Crabb), new thumb straps, Pads,valves and felt bushings and is very nicely in tune. A strong tone suitable for playing in a dance band (or sessions) but can also be played much more quietly. In its original leather case.

 

It has been my spare EC but is too good to leave in the box.

 

Price 2000 Euros.

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Hi Geoff!

 

Lovely instrument! there is no wonder I say this because I have another one hehehe

 

But wow! what a price! I paid 2,000 pounds for mine! without a case! two years ago! What happens I think is one out of four possibilities:

 

- The price of these concertinas is going down.

 

- Maybe it depends of the concertina, I must admit that I try a few model 22 in the house of the dealer and I could see a difference, I took the loudest one, that was a bit more expensive than the others.

 

- The dealer sold my concertina at a higher price.

 

- Your price is an especial offer.

 

And by the way, strap of the case of the concertina a bought from you broke the other day, what a pity! I'm going to leave it as it is because I don't know how to repair it...

 

Now I'm going to have problems repairing my concertinas, because I moved, I'm in Cork now and I don't know if there is someone here that I can go...

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Hi Geoff!

 

Lovely instrument! there is no wonder I say this because I have another one hehehe

 

But wow! what a price! I paid 2,000 pounds for mine! without a case! two years ago! What happens I think is one out of four possibilities:

 

- The price of these concertinas is going down.

 

- Maybe it depends of the concertina, I must admit that I try a few model 22 in the house of the dealer and I could see a difference, I took the loudest one, that was a bit more expensive than the others.

 

- The dealer sold my concertina at a higher price.

 

- Your price is an especial offer.

 

And by the way, strap of the case of the concertina a bought from you broke the other day, what a pity! I'm going to leave it as it is because I don't know how to repair it...

 

Now I'm going to have problems repairing my concertinas, because I moved, I'm in Cork now and I don't know if there is someone here that I can go...

 

 

Well Fernando,

I guess the price looks a little low but please remember that when you buy a Concertina from Chris Algar you get a garantee and he will trade-in an instrument and offer to give back the same price when you come back to up-grade to a more expensive Concertina. There will also be an element of Sales Tax in his prices,I assume.

 

Having said that there is today a very similar instrument to this one on Ebay.UK at a starting price of £3000 !

 

This one I purchased from Mr. Algar in an un-restored condition and so it did not cost me so much. I put in the new parts myself and fine tuned the reeds but I am not offering the same services that you would expect from Barleycorn Concertinas or any of the other specialist dealers... it is purely a private sale.

 

Sorry to hear that the strap on your case... Maybe a good leather worker can be found in the Cork area.

 

Best regards,

Geoff.

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Now I'm going to have problems repairing my concertinas, because I moved, I'm in Cork now and I don't know if there is someone here that I can go...

 

Concertina repairs in Ireland? Well there's always our very own Stephen Chambers at McNeill's Music Shop, Kilkee

 

Thank you a lot for the information. But I usually go to Brendan Mulhaire in Galway City, I used to live there, I know him well. I was wondering if there was someone here in Cork, that would be nice.

 

I guess the price looks a little low but please remember that when you buy a Concertina from Chris Algar you get a garantee and he will trade-in an instrument and offer to give back the same price when you come back to up-grade to a more expensive Concertina

 

I didn't know that Geoff! very nice!

 

Having said that there is today a very similar instrument to this one on Ebay.UK at a starting price of £3000 !

 

You made my day with that piece of information!

 

Because I bought the concertinas as a way to keep the money as well, instead of using the bank. I'm not rich at all, and I need that at least the prices don't go down.

 

Best Regards,

 

Fernando

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The Button Box in the US has a recently listed Model 22 at $4,000.00. So that should be a comfort to the person who paid more....It's not a comfort to me.... :ph34r: This is the model I think I'd like......

 

OP, i.e., GW, is this the EC you were hunting for a while back? Was it what you had hoped? Or was that a different one?

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OP, i.e., GW, is this the EC you were hunting for a while back? Was it what you had hoped? Or was that a different one?

 

 

It is one of two that I purchased during last years "Hunting" season..... I was originally looking for a ' Flat Reedpan model' from the 1895- 1905 period which I did eventually obtain from one of the Cnet members. The one I am selling here is the later version of the Model 22 which has the 'Canted' or angled Reedpan, the normal configuration of 20th Century Englishes and Duets.

 

A quick explaination; A flat reedpan is one where all the chamber walls have the same height... this is the norm on most 19th Century instruments and on the Anglo.

 

The Canted Reedpan will have different chamber wall heights.... the lowest notes have higher walls thus deeper chambers and the top notes have much shorter wall and thus shallow chambers. This can be done on the English because the notes being laid our radially and with the almost perfect gradation of the pitches spread from top to bottom ( the high notes are near the makers badge/serial number and the lowest notes are at the oposite side. Therefore it is possible to make the gradation of the chamber wall heights with an even slope accross the Reedpan. This idea is extended to the Duets because their reeds are spaced out in a similar fashon.

 

The reason for the Canted Reedpan is to try to balance the volume (and tone)of all the notes so that one end of the range does not dominate the other..this is quite a nice idea especially when a chordal style is in use. We often find people talking of a well balanced Concertina.

 

The layout of the notes on an Anglo, being somewhat more sporadic, precludes the use of a Canted Reedpan, though I am sure someone here will tell us it can be (has been) done .

 

So, the Anglo has a different sound to that of an English which to some extent comes from this difference in Reedpan construction.

 

At the very end of the 19th Century when Wheatstone and lachenal were trying to "Turbo-charge" their instruments ,in competition, there was a short period of production of Flat Reedpans combined with these louder/faster fine tuning ideas.

Therefore a good Metal ended English from this period can have the tone and volume of an Anglo. This is certainly not the sound of choice for all but because I play ITM and other types of Dance music on the English... that was what I wanted.

 

Now I have one of each of these types of Model 22 and I have been agonising as to which I prefer... well the jury is still out and the differences are small. The one I am selling is better balanced throughout its range....but one of them has to go because I have bought a duet and that makes three Wheatstones purchased in one year... my pocket is looking a little thin.

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[there was a short period of production of Flat Reedpans combined with these louder/faster fine tuning ideas.

Therefore a good Metal ended English from this period can have the tone and volume of an Anglo.]...yes, this is what i recall from past discussions, and it sounds very much like what i might very much enjoy having.......some of the New Models also have a sound i like very much....

 

[somehow the prices for concertinas seem to follow the shares right now - down....]....ha, i can't believe that, but it if it is so, i must raise some dosh for an ec asap....

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[there was a short period of production of Flat Reedpans combined with these louder/faster fine tuning ideas.

Therefore a good Metal ended English from this period can have the tone and volume of an Anglo.]...yes, this is what i recall from past discussions, and it sounds very much like what i might very much enjoy having.......some of the New Models also have a sound i like very much....

 

[somehow the prices for concertinas seem to follow the shares right now - down....]....ha, i can't believe that, but it if it is so, i must raise some dosh for an ec asap....

 

 

Well,

a Wheatstone EC with a flat reed pan will not sound like a Jeffries Anglo but it can sound like a Wheatstone Linota Anglo.

At a festival this summer I was able to compare the tone of my Flat Reedpan Wheatstone with the Linota of David Fabre and I think the sound was as close as it is possible for two concertinas to be.

The lachenal New Model EC can have a similar sound but from those that I have tried the tone is again different and sometimes too piercing in the upper octaves for my taste.

 

As for Concertina prices going down... I don't think so... maybe the more expensive Anglos are not fetching the crazy prices of a couple of years back but English and Duet prices are at least stable.

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