Geoff Wooff Posted June 11, 2011 Posted June 11, 2011 A double reeded Crabb EC on Ebay.UK.... sorry I do not know how to make the link... Anyone here seen it, played it ? Any thouhgts ?
Geoff Wooff Posted June 11, 2011 Author Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) And it is red too : here Would need the Red Wellies to go with it Peter !! ( private joke) Edited June 11, 2011 by Geoff Wooff
SteveS Posted June 11, 2011 Posted June 11, 2011 And it is red too : here Begs the question, where are the blue and white concertinas?
JimLucas Posted June 11, 2011 Posted June 11, 2011 And it is red too : here Begs the question, where are the blue and white concertinas? Finland?
OLDNICKILBY Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 Well James I can assure you that the other Double Reeded Concertinas in this set are still in England in the possession of the other family members for whom they were originally made. I have owned this Red one for about eight years and bought it from the original owner. It plays like a new concertina in every way. Everyone who has had the pleasure to play it has been very impressed by the tone, the sound and the condition of the instruement. It is a testament to the skill of the Crabb family. If anyone would like to sample the delights of this amazing machine please contact me through C.Net. It lives just South of Leicester at the moment. I am trying to remedy the results of C.A.D by culling the herd. In other words I have far too many Concertinas and can only play one at a time
John Wild Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Well James I can assure you that the other Double Reeded Concertinas in this set are still in England in the possession of the other family members for whom they were originally made. I have owned this Red one for about eight years and bought it from the original owner. It plays like a new concertina in every way. Everyone who has had the pleasure to play it has been very impressed by the tone, the sound and the condition of the instruement. It is a testament to the skill of the Crabb family. If anyone would like to sample the delights of this amazing machine please contact me through C.Net. It lives just South of Leicester at the moment. I am trying to remedy the results of C.A.D by culling the herd. In other words I have far too many Concertinas and can only play one at a time To clarify the question/answer on ebay, is it actually a baritone? - John Wild
OLDNICKILBY Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I will consult the "Delphic Oracle" or Geoff Crabb as he is more normally known as to its Tenor or Baritone status. As it has a similar range to my Holmwood Tenor that is why I so described it
SteveS Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 To clarify the question/answer on ebay, is it actually a baritone? - John Wild A keyboard layout diagram indicating the position of middle C should resolve the matter. Nic, and chance you can prepare such a diagram? Steve
Chris Timson Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Beautiful. I can imagine the sound of this from the sound of our triple-reeded English concertina (AKA the Accordeophone). I'm sure it would cut through sessions! Chris
Geoff Wooff Posted June 16, 2011 Author Posted June 16, 2011 Beautiful. I can imagine the sound of this from the sound of our triple-reeded English concertina (AKA the Accordeophone). I'm sure it would cut through sessions! Chris Have you any sound samples or pictures of your "Accordeophone" Chris ? I am sure many here would like to know more.
Chris Timson Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Pictures are here. Unfortunately the instrument is with that nice Mr Dipper, so I can't do sound right now. Chris Edited to add PS: since I wrote the page we've found the location of one other Accordeophone. It's in the custody of Brian Bibby. The whereabouts of the rest is still unknown. Edited June 16, 2011 by Chris Timson
Geoff Wooff Posted June 16, 2011 Author Posted June 16, 2011 Pictures are here. Unfortunately the instrument is with that nice Mr Dipper, so I can't do sound right now. Chris Edited to add PS: since I wrote the page we've found the location of one other Accordeophone. It's in the custody of Brian Bibby. The whereabouts of the rest is still unknown. Many thanks Chris.... all very interesting. Geoff.
Geoffrey Crabb Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) I will consult the "Delphic Oracle" or Geoff Crabb as he is more normally known as to its Tenor or Baritone status. As it has a similar range to my Holmwood Tenor that is why I so described it First, to be honest and to avoid confusion, I was not involved in the making of this instrument but I was fully aware of it's construction. At that time, just prior to the first concertina 'revival', there was little demand for new instruments so the business could not support another Crabb family member. Also, to provide sufficient income, what may be called non-conventional instruments appeared, built to customer requirement. From the records and the note frame sizes indicated on the plans for this instrument and it's 'siblings', this instrument appears to be and termed: "41 Button, double reeded, English Treble." To support 'Treble', on the following attached layout it will be seen that the range, G3- F#6, falls within the compass of the standard 48 English Treble. If however, the instrument is pitched a full octave lower then it would be termed: "41 Button, double reeded, English Baritone." If this be the case, the next attachment shows the layout where the range, G2 - F#5 falls within the compass of the standard 48 English Baritone. In this second case I would think that the range would disadvantage anyone wishing to play solo pieces. If neither of the above provide the answer, I will post a relevant Tenor layout. Elsewhere at some time, comment was made that the addition of second reeds did not dramatically increase the ultimate loudness of an instrument. Whilst not in agreement at that time, I think this instrument proves the benefit of double reeding for volume gain. As an aside, Duets which often attract comment regarding left hand heavy chording drowning the right hand, can be overcome to some extent by double reeding on the right side only. Although, a few Crabb instruments have been made like this, the increased physical size of the instrument to accommodate the extra reeds, the additional weight and cost would, I suspect, make these an unattractive proposition today. I do not think I could be persuaded to make a double reeded instrument now. Geoff PS See also my next following comment Edited June 16, 2011 by Geoffrey Crabb
Geoffrey Crabb Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Previous content removed due to complete revert to gobbledegook following simple edit.??????? Re-reading the Answer to the Question posed on EBay, it appears the instrument is a Transposed Baritone, the lowest note on the right being G below C below mid C. i.e. 1 whole octave lower than a Treble. Geoff Edited June 16, 2011 by Geoffrey Crabb
Robin Harrison Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) edited Edited June 16, 2011 by Robin Harrison
OLDNICKILBY Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Oh Dear , Sorry for the confusion. This machine goes down to the G below Middle C. The G being on the Right. Not as I replied on E Bay It is not an easy concertina to assess as I took a very bad tumble on the tarmac and this has affected my hearing to some extent. Thank you Geoff for your help
Geoffrey Crabb Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 Oh Dear , Sorry for the confusion. This machine goes down to the G below Middle C. The G being on the Right. Not as I replied on E Bay It is not an easy concertina to assess as I took a very bad tumble on the tarmac and this has affected my hearing to some extent. Thank you Geoff for your help No Problem Nic. Hopefully, in conclusion, can we now safely say that it is a '41 Treble'? Geoff
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