Kennington Hornpipe

[Kelteglow]

Hi All . Nice video of a lad playing the Kennington Hornpipe on U Tube .Has anyone got the dots ? Bob

Edited December 10, 2010 by KelTekgolow

[fernando]

Hi All . Nice video of a lad playing the Kennington Hornpipe on U Tube .Has anyone got the dots ? Bob

 

Hi Bob! I suppose the lad you say is this one:

 

 

I loved this tune, and I learnt it by hear and this was the result:

 

 

The style is completely different. But I cannot help it, this is how I came up to play it, I personally liked it in this way.

 

I have a question regarding this tune: Why is called hornpipe when the tune looks like a 6/8?

 

Fernando

Edited December 10, 2010 by fernando

[fernando]

The mistery is solved!

 

The composer of the tune contacted me!

 

This tune was composed by John Dipper, and it is called Kennington Jig

 

That was nice to meet the composer of the tune I learnt, even if that was only by youtube

 

Fernando

[michael sam wild]

Hi All . Nice video of a lad playing the Kennington Hornpipe on U Tube .Has anyone got the dots ? Bob

 

It is a Jig but could go as a hornpipe , that was common in the evolution of the 4/4 or 2/4 hornpipe

 

 

(Edited to correct 2/2 to 2/4)

Edited December 20, 2010 by michael sam wild

[Daniel Hersh]

FYI, I believe that the player may be c.net member Jake of Hertford.

 

Hi All . Nice video of a lad playing the Kennington Hornpipe on U Tube .Has anyone got the dots ? Bob

Hi Bob! I suppose the lad you say is this one:

I loved this tune, and I learnt it by hear and this was the result:

The style is completely different. But I cannot help it, this is how I came up to play it, I personally liked it in this way.

I have a question regarding this tune: Why is called hornpipe when the tune looks like a 6/8?

 

Fernando

[Chris Drinkwater]

FYI, I believe that the player may be c.net member Jake of Hertford.

 

There's no 'maybe'. It is Jake of Hertford! Perhaps he's also a Jake of all trades?

 

 

Chris

[fernando]

Hi All . Nice video of a lad playing the Kennington Hornpipe on U Tube .Has anyone got the dots ? Bob

 

It is a Jig but could go as a hornpipe , that was common in the evolution of the 4/4 or 2/2 hornpipe

 

Michael, I don't understand that. If that could go as a hornpipe, should not the melody be changed a bit to accommodate to the rhythm of the hornpipe? that could be done, because I've seen a few examples of tunes that can be played in different rhythms. Very good example of this is this video I saw recently posted in this forum:

 

 

By the way, I would love to know which rhythm is the first one.

 

And I don't know the time signature 2/2, I didn't know there were hornpipes in that rhythm!

 

Fernando

[michael sam wild]

Sorry I meant 2/4, 2/2 would be very slow and not too danceable I suppose, a slow plod..

 

In Barry Callaghans book Hardcore English he shows various Hornpipes in 4/4 with some in 2/4, tunes in common time ( hornpipes or reels) are also shown in 4/4, some in 2/4 and speed the Plough in 2/2 or 4/4 so it's complicated .

 

The link with 6/8 and 9/8 times come from the olde 3/2 or 6/4 hornpipes , played originally on the horn pipe a reeded instrument

 

 

This a good article by Yorkshire fiddler and singer Paul Davenport on the transition from triple time tunes to double, common time and the evolution of the hornpipe rhythm

 

http://www.thefreeun...tpaper2006.html

 

 

Hope that helps

 

 

We had a good long discussion once on Melodeon net

 

http://forum.melodeo...opic,838.0.html

 

 

 

I taught my kids by showing how rocking from foot to foot or walking and hopping can lead to skipping

Edited December 20, 2010 by michael sam wild

[fernando]

Sorry I meant 2/4, 2/2 would be very slow and not too danceable I suppose, a slow plod..

 

In Barry Callaghans book Hardcore English he shows various Hornpipes in 4/4 with some in 2/4, tunes in common time ( hornpipes or reels) are also shown in 4/4, some in 2/4 and speed the Plough in 2/2 or 4/4 so it's complicated .

 

The link with 6/8 and 9/8 times come from the olde 3/2 or 6/4 hornpipes , played originally on the horn pipe a reeded instrument

 

 

This a good article by Yorkshire fiddler and singer Paul Davenport on the transition from double time tunes to common time and the evolution of the hornpipe rhythm

 

http://www.thefreeun...tpaper2006.html

 

 

Hope that helps

 

 

We had a good long discussion once on Melodeon net

 

http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,838.0.html

 

 

 

I taught my kids by showing how rocking from foot to foot or walking and hopping can lead to skipping

 

Thank you Michael! I'm trying to know more about these 3/2 hornpipes, I love them! and it's nice to know a bit of history as well

 

Fernando

[michael sam wild]

Sorry , here's a more detailed copy of the article. I do note that Paul talks of 2/2 hornpipes and I suppose it is a useful time signature as it indicates the beat of the foot when playing 4/4 with an off beat,

 

http://www.hallamtrads.co.uk/Downloads_files/Hornpipe.pdf

Edited December 21, 2010 by michael sam wild

[Jake Middleton-Metcalfe]

HI

 

Yeah it is a jig i changed the title. I don't know why i called it a hornpipe i think i heard someone call it that once and didn't think about it when i uploaded it. EMBARRASSING!

 

Anyway im glad folks like it - If you look on my morris side's facebook page you can see a video of us dancing to the tune here:

 

http://www.facebook.com/nonesuchmorris?ref=ts#!/nonesuchmorris?v=app_2392950137

 

Edit: if your not all to interested in hornpipes by this point

Edited December 31, 2010 by Jake of Hertford

[michael sam wild]

Nice dancing and the tune has a feel of being well fitted to the dance . hats off to the team, John Dipper and yourself.

I'm playing it as Jig and Hornpipe anyway

Edited December 31, 2010 by michael sam wild