Kautilya Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Identify concertina make model and age by sound? ref discussion at http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=11903&pid=118789&st=18entry118789 listen here: there's a melodeon further in the background obviously....but tina is clearly leading player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterT Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 (edited) Identify concertina make model and age by sound? ref discussion at http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=11903&pid=118789&st=18entry118789 listen here: there's a melodeon further in the background obviously....but tina is clearly leading player. Well, you are not asking for much ....... I've read the debate over on 'the other side'. In isolation, it should be possible to make a good stab at it, but obviously more difficult with other instruments, and yet more complex in a session, with background noise. Here's what I know/think regarding your recording: (1) The first tune is called 'Chasse Pain'. (2) The general background noise immediately suggested that this recording was from 'The George', London. (3) Actually, the melodeon is leading this set. (4) Concertina is playing in the same octave as the the melodeon, suggesting a G/D Anglo. (5) Taking the above into account, my thoughts were that Alan Day should have been the Anglo player. I therefore listened for foot stamping; it's there, if you listen hard enough. (6) There are other instruments being played; I can hear traces of a fiddle, early on. (7) There is a certain amount of confusion when the tune changes from 'Chasse Pain' into the second tune, with Chris Shaw remembering to shout 'change!' at 2.53. (8) I was a little confused, since I am used to Alan Day leading this tune. (9) Could I identify the concertina as a G/D Jeffries Anglo from the above recording? NO!!!! How am I doing? Regards, Peter. Edited November 20, 2010 by PeterT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kautilya Posted November 20, 2010 Author Share Posted November 20, 2010 (edited) Identify concertina make model and age by sound? ref discussion at http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=11903&pid=118789&st=18entry118789 listen here: there's a melodeon further in the background obviously....but tina is clearly leading player. Well, you are not asking for much ....... I've read the debate over on 'the other side'. In isolation, it should be possible to make a good stab at it, but obviously more difficult with other instruments, and yet more complex in a session, with background noise. Here's what I know/think regarding your recording: (1) The first tune is called 'Chasse Pain'. (2) The general background noise immediately suggested that this recording was from 'The George', London. (3) Actually, the melodeon is leading this set. (4) Concertina is playing in the same octave as the the melodeon, suggesting a G/D Anglo. (5) Taking the above into account, my thoughts were that Alan Day should have been the Anglo player. I therefore listened for foot stamping; it's there, if you listen hard enough. (6) There are other instruments being played; I can hear traces of a fiddle, early on. (7) There is a certain amount of confusion when the tune changes from 'Chasse Pain' into the second tune, with Chris Shaw remembering to shout 'change!' at 2.53. (8) I was a little confused, since I am used to Alan Day leading this tune. (9) Could I identify the concertina as a G/D Jeffries Anglo from the above recording? NO!!!! How am I doing? Regards, Peter. Your interesting forensic analysis has been submitted to the CPSs* for evaluation, note by note and to see if there is any useful blood on your quick stab... but the victim got away long ago. Further evidence is awaited from other parties until a decision can be made on whether to subpoena visual evidence to lead to persecution............. (*Concertina Performance Surveillance service,a UK unit of the Concertinische Internationale Assoziation ). The CPSs motto: Balaclava et manicae (extra digitibus) in frigo hiberno wearenda sunt!". :ph34r: Edited November 20, 2010 by Kautilya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kautilya Posted December 26, 2010 Author Share Posted December 26, 2010 (edited) concertIdentifybox?? Peter Now for the festive answer – see italics below: Well, you are not asking for much ....... Hee Hee! How am I doing? Pretty good actually: (1) The first tune is called 'Chasse Pain'. (was a bit tricky breaking out the toons… so the core evidence was (undeliberately) contaminated, but yes plus whatever! (2) The general background noise immediately suggested that this recording was from 'The George', London. Spot on 10/10 (3) Actually, the melodeon is leading this set. (I said ‘leading player… deliberately; so you are half right….and half wrong. We could have jailed the wrong man… (4) Concertina is playing in the same octave as the the melodeon, suggesting a G/D Anglo. Nope 5/10 coz it were a CG (Steve Freereeder of the C Campaign tell his followers to say: Not all melodeons are DG (5) Taking the above into account, my thoughts were that Alan Day should have been the Anglo player. I therefore listened for foot stamping; it's there, if you listen hard enough. 20/20 – right on both counts! (6) There are other instruments being played; I can hear traces of a fiddle, early on Yeah but we are not interested in them.They just make for hurdy-gurdiness (to the power of 2!) (7) There is a certain amount of confusion when the tune changes from 'Chasse Pain' into the second tune, with Chris Shaw remembering to shout 'change!' at 2.53. Nul points – there is always constant confusion as he can’t lift his leg as he is always jammed between the fire and the table. (8) I was a little confused, since I am used to Alan Day leading this tune. Trickey eh! But we can jail em both anyway on bread and water till Jan 1 2011 (9) Could I identify the concertina as a G/D Jeffries Anglo from the above recording? NO!!!! Right again; but presuppository knowledge of the Clousot kind is a dangerous French thing which often targets the horse before the cart -- although the Jeffries WAS there (on the floor in its bag (or maybe on the table at this point..)and it HADd had an outing on this music already (that is if we cut the right extract!!!!!!!) This was an inside job hatched at the time with the leader of the Lavender Hill mafia, although he had not written his hall mark tune at the that time.. It also raises questions about whether it is the instrument or the player that makes the difference. How did you do? Definitely won a pint of soda with a slice of lemon when you turn up at the George! (Under the regulations, the CPSS (*Concertina Performance Surveillance Service,a UK unit of the Concertinische Internationale Assoziation ) does not approve of alcohol tumes (coz fumes and tunes are bad for the inner ear and your brain tends to go off as the content goes flatter). Due to the inclement weather at this season The CPSS reasserts its motto and tells all tina players to heed it: :ph34r: Balaclava et manicae (extra digitibus) in frigo hiberno wearenda sunt!"** , especially if Chris G is blocking out the heat of the fire for those on the other side of the igloo and Chris D et al are absorbing what little heat gets through all the CG DG C#D melodeons lurking under the table. The answer: The definitive evidence (and the camera does not lie in this instance: wait for the next post -- just to lower the tension) :blink: ** Google translate could not handle translating that sofissticayted Latin construction into English but surely someone here can? Edited December 26, 2010 by Kautilya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kautilya Posted December 26, 2010 Author Share Posted December 26, 2010 (edited) In His Master's Hands: Alan Day playing Chinese (despatched from Shanghai factory) in C G 21 button Anglo at the George Inn :) Edited December 26, 2010 by Kautilya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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