Alan Caffrey Posted May 16, 2004 Share Posted May 16, 2004 Hi there to everyone. What an excellent time and fun I had yesterday! I, and other session members, had the good fortune and pleasure to play for Irish dancers last night - a very rare opportunity down here in Arkansas, believe me! The teacher was an Irish lady named Mary, she spoke Gaelic and had taught in Ireland so she was obviously knowledgable on Irish music. We were somewhat puzzled when she requested a 'triple jig' for the dancers?? 'Perhaps a slide?' -no- 'perhaps a slipjig?' -no. An example? 'Tobins favourite' So we commenced in on Tobin's jig but that was too fast! Slow it down says she. When we had got Tobin's down to a crawl the dancers started in. And a pretty dance it was! But what, dear friends, is a triple jig? Yours, Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted May 16, 2004 Share Posted May 16, 2004 But what, dear friends, is a triple jig? Y'got me! For more than thirty years I've known "triple jig" to be a synonym for "slip jig". (I.e., "triple" meaning 3 beats to the measure; "jig" meaning each beat divided into eighth notes.) Did she try to explain to you what was "triple" about it? An example? 'Tobins favourite' So we commenced in on Tobin's jig but that was too fast! Slow it down says she. When we had got Tobin's down to a crawl the dancers started in. And a pretty dance it was! Interesting. I've never thought of Tobin's Favorite as a particularly fast jig (in the range of 70-85 dotted-quarter beats per minute). You make it sound as if she wanted a waltz. And still I wonder if your Tobin's Jig is the same as the Tobin's Favorite I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Caffrey Posted May 16, 2004 Author Share Posted May 16, 2004 We really didn't have an opportunity to get into any serious discussion of the matter. I've looked at my sheet music for Tobin's jig and Tobin's favourite and there is little to tell between the two...Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Tedrow Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Klari and I played at the Peachstate Feis this weekend. We play a "treble Jig" for the kids. We play a s-l-o-w jig and they dance like mad. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 We play a "treble Jig" for the kids.We play a s-l-o-w jig and they dance like mad. So, Bob (or somebody else), can you tell us what distinguishes that as "treble"? (Apparently not that it's being played on a "treble" English. ) I've always known "double jig" to mean one in 6/8 time, "triple jig" = "treble jig" = "slip jig" to mean one in 9/8, and "slide" (occasionally but rarely called "quadruple jig") to mean a 12/8 tune. (And "single jig" to mean 3/8, but I have since learned that some people give that term a different meaning.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 But sometimes a treble jig is used to refer to one that has 48 bars, rather than anything to do with groups of triplets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 But sometimes a treble jig is used to refer to one that has 48 bars, rather than anything to do with groups of triplets. I can see the logic, though I've never run into that use before. Wouldn't apply to Tobin's Favorite, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Questioned my youngest daughter, a former dancer: "The Treble Jig" is a hard shoe "set" dance, danced slowly as the "rallys" [tapping patterns to us mere players] are triple. But she couldn't tell me what a Triple Jig would be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Brook Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 (edited) I've always understood a triple jig and a slide to be the same thing. Irish music is incredibly regional though in terms of styles and names for things. I was chatting with a guy from County Clare who played "Off to California" on his melodeon. I said I liked the tune and I often played it, he was however adamant it was called "the Galway Hornpipe". As an aside a non-musical friend on hearing me play "off to california" asked me to play "the Trumpet Hornpipe" so to his untrained ear it is another hornpipe. Slightly off topic the Morris Tune (6/8) "Sweet Jenny Jones" when played about half pace is called "Cadir Idris". Edited May 17, 2004 by Peter Brook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes williams Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Irish music is incredibly regional though in terms of styles and names for things. At Willie Week many years ago, my all-time concertina hero Tony Crehan said that they what they called 'Single Jigs' in Clare, they called 'Slides' in Kerry. He said that they were very slightly different, but you'd need to be from Clare/Kerry to tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLucas Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 ... you'd need to be from Clare/Kerry to tell the difference. I guess I can't tell, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffwright Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Wait while the dancers ask for a "heavy" jig, as I was in Leeds. I evntually worked out she wanted a hornpipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Edgley Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 I once asked Gearoid OhAllmuirhain what the difference was between the single jig and a slide and he said the main difference was the River Shannon. As far as treble jigs are concerned, a treble jig is a type of dance, not a type of tune. You can play most regular double jigs for the dance, but at a MUCH slower tempo. The treble probably referring to triple the number of steps per beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Miller Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 At Irish Arts Week in East Durham, Edel Fox told us that a triple jig and slip jig were the same. She taught us two tunes that were slip jigs. Hardiman the Fiddler was one, and is available on thesession.org. I will massacre the name of the other because she gave it to us only in Irish. It is something like teách an ól. Both of these jigs are in 9/8 time. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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