An idea

[LDT]

*waves white flag*

Lately I've noticed quite a few threads that start off with a simple question but then seem to descend in to scary arguments. Its seems to me any mention of the words 'style' or 'tradition' coupled with the words 'English' or 'Irish' are particularly vulnerable to this. Why such hostility? Can't we all agree to differ? (this is by way of explination of why I was scared to post this)

Personally there are genre's of music I don't 'get' but I'm sure if I tried hard enough I'd find something I liked in them and the same goes for others. But how can we find out what we like if we haven't heard the music in question? I'd love to hear all the different types and what others like.

 

 

Well here is a proposal...A competition.

 

Why not record yourself playing your favorite tune that you think epitomizes your favorite genre.Open to all types of concertina.

Then we'll have a vote on who the forum think is their favorite.... and I'll make a prize for the winner.

 

*dives for cover*

 

*sigh* its probably a silly idea anyway.

Edited December 11, 2009 by LDT

[Guest Peter Laban]

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*sigh* its probably a silly idea anyway.

 

It probably is but that hasn't ever stopped anyone. I don't think there have been many, of maybe even any [...] scary stuff or general ungliness.

 

Anyhow, I have no particular favourite that epitomises anything but try this one. spot who left out the middle tune and who went into it regardless.

 

 

[fixed typo and re-instated words that had gone missing.]

Edited December 13, 2009 by Paul Schwartz

[LDT]

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*sigh* its probably a silly idea anyway.

 

Anyhow, I have no particular favourite that epitomises anything but try this one. spot who left out the middle tune and who went into it regardless.

 

Lovely. Got a bit of a groove going on there.

[Ralph Jordan]

*waves white flag*

Lately I've noticed quite a few threads that start off with a simple question but then seem to descend in to scary arguments. Its seems to me any mention of the words 'style' or 'tradition' coupled with the words 'English' or 'Irish' are particularly vulnerable to this. Why such hostility? Can't we all agree to differ? (this is by way of explination of why I was scared to post this)

Personally there are genre's of music I don't 'get' but I'm sure if I tried hard enough I'd find something I liked in them and the same goes for others. But how can we find out what we like if we haven't heard the music in question? I'd love to hear all the different types and what others like.

 

 

Well here is a proposal...A competition.

 

Why not record yourself playing your favorite tune that you think epitomizes your favorite genre.Open to all types of concertina.

Then we'll have a vote on who the forum think is their favorite.... and I'll make a prize for the winner.

 

*dives for cover*

 

*sigh* its probably a silly idea anyway.

 

Hi Sarah.

 

I have a can opener if you want to borrow it. The worms are getting restless!!

Who is going to be the judge of this competition?? Lol!!

It would be a bit like Eurovision, with various factions voting politically, and Show Of Hands would win!

 

I do take your wider point re threads going astray and disagreements (lets be charitable) starting up. You should try Mudcat if you want a proper fight!

Anyway....I'd win hands down. What are you going to make me for my prize??

Ralphie

[LDT]

Hi Sarah.

 

I have a can opener if you want to borrow it. The worms are getting restless!!

Who is going to be the judge of this competition?? Lol!!

It would be a bit like Eurovision, with various factions voting politically, and Show Of Hands would win!

 

forget the competition aspect then I just want to see a wide range of music played by members of this forum.

 

 

I do take your wider point re threads going astray and disagreements (lets be charitable) starting up. You should try Mudcat if you want a proper fight!

that's why I won't sign up for mudcat....I'll pop in anon but that's all...its like jumping in with the lions at the colosseum, one wrong word and your lunch.

 

Anyway....I'd win hands down.

How can you be sure of that? Did you use crystal ball or time machine? lol

 

What are you going to make me for my prize??

That's a surprise.

[Irene S.]

Dearie me - this looks like something one should yell "Fix" to ...

 

First of all Ralphie is declaring that the result of any competition is a foregone conclusion ... and then Sarah, having asked whether he has some means of foretelling the future, goes ahead and intimates that she has a prize for him in mind .... hmmmm. Seems like a shoe-in to me!!!

 

Re Mudcat, Sarah - whoops, sorry, LDT ... it's not all feeding time for Mr and Mrs Leo ... some of the threads are quite civilised. You just have to choose your thread, and hope that none of the usual stirrers turn up, or that you don't get a strange wandering "poet" involved. Mudcat can actually be a very useful (if somewhat strange) place sometimes

Edited December 12, 2009 by Irene S

[Azalin]

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*sigh* its probably a silly idea anyway.

 

It probably is but that hasn't ever stopped anyone. I don't think there have been may, of maybe even any [...]

 

Anyhow, I have no particular favourite that epitomises anything but try this one. spot who left out the middle tune and who went into it regardless.

 

This is awesome Peter!!

[david_boveri]

i think none of us can compete with peter... why not just call the thread closed?

[david_boveri]

Lately I've noticed quite a few threads that start off with a simple question but then seem to descend in to scary arguments.

 

i dont think they're that bad... disagreements are not the same as arguments, and none of them are scary. this forum is very tame compared to most of what is on the web. even thesession.org gets much more hostile than here.

[frogspawn]

I think it would be very interesting to compare repertoires. We could each just post a list here...Judgements need not be made.

 

Richard

[frogspawn]

To help steer this thread in a positive direction and to respond promptly to my own suggestion, I've just queried my database of tune scores with the following results.

 

Richard

 

Tunes I can play be ear:

Aye Me; Bear Dance; Black Nag; Blaydon Races; Bonny Kate; Brighton Camp; Britches Full of Stitches; Curly-headed Ploughboy; Dorset Four Hand Reel; Egan's Polka; Flowers of Ashgill; Garry Owen; Harper's Frolic; Horses' Brawl; Jamie Allen; Keel Row; Maggie in the Wood; Man in the Moon; Portsmouth; Princess Royal ; Roddy McCorley (Sean South); Rogue's March; Salmon Tails Up the Water; Seven Stars; Soldiers Joy ; Speed the Plough; Star of the County Down; Tralee Gaol ; Trumpet Hornpipe; Winster Gallop.

 

Tunes I can play with aural prompt:

Boys of Wexford; Brothers in York; Double Lead Through; Herbert the Sherbert; Huntsman's Chorus ; Kelly the Boy from Killane; Michael Turner's Waltz; Plane Tree; Planxty Fanny Power; Rakes of Mallow; Sussex Bonny Breast Knot; Three Around Three.

 

Tunes I can play from score:

Blackthorn Stick; Bodmin Riding; Bonnie Dundee; Buttered Peas; Butterfly; Captain Lanoe's Quick March ; Centenary March; Cock of the North; Cotillion ; Dark Girl Dressed In Blue; Drops of Brandy; Fiery Clockface; Flowers of Edinburgh; From Night Till Morn; Golden Slippers; Haste to the Wedding; Hunt the Squirrel; I'll tell me Ma; Kesh (Jig); Monk's March ; New Rigged Ship; Old Rosin The Beau; Oscar Wood's Jig; Over The Hills; Oyster Girl; Planxty Irwin; Rakes of Kildare; Rattlin Bog; Redwing; Rochdale Coconut Dance; Rocky Road to Dublin; Shepherds Hey; Sherbourne Waltz; Strike The Bell; Uncle's Jig.

 

Tunes I'm planning to learn:

Ar Dro; Ashokan Farewell; Banish Misfortune; Barren Rocks of Aden; Bill Hall's No 1; Bill Hall's No 2; Boys of Oakhill; Dingle Regatta; Drowsy Maggie; Enrico; Fairy Dance; Fermoy Lasses; Flaxley Green Dance; Foxhunter's Jig; Garrick's Delight ; Hop Break; Irish Washerwoman; Johnny Micky Barry; Lark in the Morning; Linnane's Jig/Rollocking Boys Of Tanderagee; Maid Behind The Bar; Marmalade Polka; Merry Blacksmith; Morpeth Rant; Morrison's Jig; Nutting Girl; Off She Goes; Off To California; Padstow May Song; Queen's Jig; Ragtime Annie; Rakish Paddy; Saltarello; Scan Tester's No 1 Polka; Scan Tester's No 2 Polka; Silver Spear; Smash the Windows; St Anne's Reel; Steamboat Hornpipe ; Sweets of May; Tarantella ; Tekili; Tinner's Fancy; Tipsy Parson; Tripping Upstairs; Turkey Rhubarb; Walter Bulwer's No 1; Walter Bulwer's No 2; Westering Home; Wi' a Hundred Pipers ; Willow Express; Winster Processional; Wise Maid.

 

(Edited for typo and spacing)

Edited December 12, 2009 by frogspawn

[Guest Peter Laban]

To help steer this thread in a positive direction

 

I don't think the thread needs a positive spin. Repertoire lists can just as easily descent into a 'mine's longer than yours' thing. Even if it can be interesting to see what other people play.

 

Most more or less accomplished players will have a fleeting repertoire though, tunes come to the from while others sink into the background. You learn stuff you forget you've learned and find yourself playing it when someone prompts you. And there's the stuff you know to hear that you find yourself playing without ever actively learning it. At some point you loose the need for listing it.

Edited December 12, 2009 by Peter Laban

[Irene S.]

To help steer this thread in a positive direction

Sorry Frogspawn, but I have to agree with Peter. A statement like that suggests that you think it was negative to start with. And to be perfectly frank, I looked at the list you'd posted and switched straight off ... too long for starters, and for me rather unilluminating, I've heard of about half a dozen of the tunes you mentioned and the rest mean absolutely nothing to me at all . I'd be more interested to know what system you play, and what type of music overall - and possibly also why ?

 

But, more to the point, Sarah originally said

 

 

I'd love to hear all the different types and what others like.

 

I think the operative word was "hear" at the outset ... and she wants to know what type of music everyone likes.

 

To chip in here on that basis ... I'm learning duet, and in the initial stages am coming at it from a folk direction BUT I also have a very longstanding grounding in classical music as both audience and choral performer ... so am interested to see what use has been made of the concertina on the classical side. As audience I find I now have a general interest in concertina music of all types - probably generated by the relatively new found enthusiasm for the instrument - but have to admit that I find Irish trad concertina rather a turn off, even though I can appreciate the technical brilliance of some people's performance (sorry).

[Dirge]

To help steer this thread in a positive direction

 

I don't think the thread needs a positive spin. Repertoire lists can just as easily descent into a 'mine's longer than yours' thing. Even if it can be interesting to see what other people play.

 

Most more or less accomplished players will have a fleeting repertoire though, tunes come to the from while others sink into the background. You learn stuff you forget you've learned and find yourself playing it when someone prompts you. And there's the stuff you know to hear that you find yourself playing without ever actively learning it. At some point you loose the need for listing it.

I think you have failed to realise that this is not a folk forum, let alone an 'Irish Very Stuck In The Mud Music' forum, it's a concertina forum. I learn all my music from written music, and these days it's mostly classical. It may surprise you to hear that I routinely hit several notes at once and NEVER play the bagpipes.

 

'Most more or less accomplished players' do not need ITM...

[Guest Peter Laban]

You always manage to hit such a nice tone, don't you? I mean, why that need for that abrasive defensiveness? Is that how other people here approach you? I don't think so.

 

What I said applies to accomplished players of all kinds of music: they know pieces by heart, they play, have a fleeting repertoire with pieces that come and go.

 

Why not follow the OP's suggestion and help showcase different kinds of music as played by people on this forum. Why not get out your sheet music and record a piece to illuminate us?

 

Do the constructive thing in other words. But you in your contribution chose not to and instead did the ugly destructive thing. Just the thing the intention of the OP was to divert it away from.

 

Same on you for it.

Edited December 12, 2009 by Peter Laban

[Daniel Hersh]

forget the competition aspect then I just want to see a wide range of music played by members of this forum.

Something like that was done a while ago: the C.net Recorded Links Page. The original seems to have disappeared, but a fully functioning archived version is still available. And there have been a number of c.net threads such as this one that included recordings by members, including many posts on the Concertina Videos and Music forum.

[Dirge]

You always manage to hit such a nice tone, don't you? I mean, why that need for that abrasive defensiveness? Is that how other people here approach you? I don't think so.

 

What I said applies to accomplished players of all kinds of music: they know pieces by heart, they play, have a fleeting repertoire with pieces that come and go.

 

Why not follow the OP's suggestion and help showcase different kinds of music as played by people on this forum. Why not get out your sheet music and record a piece to illuminate us?

 

Do the constructive thing in other words. But you in your contribution chose not to and instead did the ugly destructive thing. Just the thing the intention of the OP was to divert it away from.

 

Same on you for it.

 

 

You certainly bring out the worst in me, I freely admit it. I read all of Cnet routinely, daily, have done for 4 years now I notice, and there is often an ITM monger appears who manages to get up my nose with his swagger. Normally everyone gets used to each other and it settles down fast, but you're special. In your particular case it seems to me that, in a group of people that are usually extremely good at give and take, you are ever ready to tell people how wrong they are, even if you have to shift your ground to do so. I was particularly impressed when you told the world at large that most of them would never be able to play ITM properly because their grandfathers weren't born to it, or whatever it was. Generous, I thought.

 

I can appreciate that if you are that immersed in your music it is probably a bit frustrating seeing the rest of the world taking it and butchering it as you perceive it, but that is no reason to be gratuitously mean, or condescending for that matter. They are happy making a noise they like. It's also no excuse for the feeling of bitchiness that seems to surround your posts. It's unfriendly, I don't like it because it makes my morning reading irritating, and you've successfully got me doing it too. I am slightly embarrassed to have fallen for the bait, since you mention it.

 

What was the forum that you mentioned that you no longer posted at, incidentally?

 

Likewise Mr.Miles. I am amazed to find myself defending him as I have nothing in common with him at all. I do know, though, that he is a serious and enthusiastic concertina player. I also realise, and perhaps in your defence you may not have, that he does get very heated. But whether you realised it or not, there was no need to push him as far as you and your cronies did. Give and take? Oh no, you went for the jugular.

 

Incidentally, you tell me off for not putting an example up. So how is bagpiping an example as requested by LDT? I'm presuming you aren't the old woman?

 

Sorry LDT, it was a good idea but sometimes...

[Daniel Hersh]

WHY do you guys have to do this in the public forum? Can you please consider sniping at each other via pm or e-mail?

 

 

You always manage to hit such a nice tone, don't you? I mean, why that need for that abrasive defensiveness? Is that how other people here approach you? I don't think so.

 

What I said applies to accomplished players of all kinds of music: they know pieces by heart, they play, have a fleeting repertoire with pieces that come and go.

 

Why not follow the OP's suggestion and help showcase different kinds of music as played by people on this forum. Why not get out your sheet music and record a piece to illuminate us?

 

Do the constructive thing in other words. But you in your contribution chose not to and instead did the ugly destructive thing. Just the thing the intention of the OP was to divert it away from.

 

Same on you for it.

 

 

You certainly bring out the worst in me, I freely admit it. I read all of Cnet routinely, daily, have done for 4 years now I notice, and there is often an ITM monger appears who manages to get up my nose with his swagger. Normally everyone gets used to each other and it settles down fast, but you're special. In your particular case it seems to me that, in a group of people that are usually extremely good at give and take, you are ever ready to tell people how wrong they are, even if you have to shift your ground to do so. I was particularly impressed when you told the world at large that most of them would never be able to play ITM properly because their grandfathers weren't born to it, or whatever it was. Generous, I thought.

 

I can appreciate that if you are that immersed in your music it is probably a bit frustrating seeing the rest of the world taking it and butchering it as you perceive it, but that is no reason to be gratuitously mean, or condescending for that matter. They are happy making a noise they like. It's also no excuse for the feeling of bitchiness that seems to surround your posts. It's unfriendly, I don't like it because it makes my morning reading irritating, and you've successfully got me doing it too. I am slightly embarrassed to have fallen for the bait, since you mention it.

 

What was the forum that you mentioned that you no longer posted at, incidentally?

 

Likewise Mr.Miles. I am amazed to find myself defending him as I have nothing in common with him at all. I do know, though, that he is a serious and enthusiastic concertina player. I also realise, and perhaps in your defence you may not have, that he does get very heated. But whether you realised it or not, there was no need to push him as far as you and your cronies did. Give and take? Oh no, you went for the jugular.

 

Incidentally, you tell me off for not putting an example up. So how is bagpiping an example as requested by LDT? I'm presuming you aren't the old woman?

 

Sorry LDT, it was a good idea but sometimes...