PeterT Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 English: http://www.peterfrancis.co.uk/BidCat/detail.asp?SaleRef=A012&LotRef=206 Crane Duet: http://www.peterfrancis.co.uk/BidCat/detail.asp?SaleRef=A012&LotRef=207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael sam wild Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) Re the Crane and the description 'by Mozart company' , any info would be welcome. I was offered and Anglo 'made by them' in Ireland but didn't know anything about them and it was beat up so I couldn't tell if it was OK. The guy also said it was a Shakespeare model. I got confused . Did I miss a good 'un? Edited November 13, 2009 by michael sam wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saguaro_squeezer Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 It says it's in a wheatstone box. I'd be interested as well. Have to see how to bid ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 It says it's in a wheatstone box. I'd be interested as well. Have to see how to bid ... And on the hand strap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Jowaisas Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Looks to be very similar,albeit a few less buttons, to a Shakespeare Crane offered by Hobgoblin: http://www.hobgoblin.com/local/contentsframe.php?page=secondha.htm&name=Hobgoblin Second Hand Instruments Look in the duet section. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conzertino Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Is anybody going to that auction? I'm after that tuning-box that comes with the English concertina... We could split the lot?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindizzy Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 See also this thread ..... for the Camarthen auction Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hersh Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I believe that Stephen Chambers once told me that the Mozart concertinas were made by Shakespeare -- but that conversation was over 25 years ago, so I might be mistaken. Re the Crane and the description 'by Mozart company' , any info would be welcome. I was offered and Anglo 'made by them' in Ireland but didn't know anything about them and it was beat up so I couldn't tell if it was OK. The guy also said it was a Shakespeare model. I got confused . Did I miss a good 'un? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Re the Crane and the description 'by Mozart company' , any info would be welcome. I was offered and Anglo 'made by them' in Ireland but didn't know anything about them and it was beat up so I couldn't tell if it was OK. The guy also said it was a Shakespeare model. I got confused . Did I miss a good 'un? I believe that Stephen Chambers once told me that the Mozart concertinas were made by Shakespeare -- but that conversation was over 25 years ago, so I might be mistaken. That's right, indeed apart from the fact that the workmanship is obviously the same, they're usually stamped "Maker T.S." alongside the "MOZART & Co." - which is a bit of a giveaway! There have been a couple of previous threads that may be of interest: T Shakespeare What is known about this maker? and Shakespeare - One Or Two? History of makers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael sam wild Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Thanks Stephen that's very helpful.Are they any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveP Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Typical - never seen a Mozart/Shakespeare Crane, and then two come along at once. If anyone goes to the auction and/or gets to squeeze it, let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Chambers Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 ... and then two come along at once. Like London buses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveS Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) See also this thread ..... for the Camarthen auction Chris EC sold for £600 Crane duet sold for £620 plus buyer's premium. Any forum members win them? Steve Edited November 17, 2009 by SteveS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveP Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 EC sold for £600 Crane duet sold for £620 plus buyer's premium. Any forum members win them? Steve Not guilty, although I was watching on t'internet in case nobody else turned up for the Crane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marien Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 There is another shakespeare crane (50b) at hobgoblin. There is a remarkable big difference between the shop (2500) and the auction price (620) . There may be some work on the 48b, but that doesn't need 1900 pound I suppose. What is the real street value of a 48b or 50b Shakespeare Crane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveP Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 What is the real street value of a 48b or 50b Shakespeare Crane? I suppose the simple answer is "whatever someone is willing to pay for one". So at the moment, £620. Has anyone on here ever squeezed one? If they have, they might be in a position to say "higher" or "too much!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Viehoff Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 There is another shakespeare crane (50b) at hobgoblin. There is a remarkable big difference between the shop (2500) and the auction price (620) . There may be some work on the 48b, but that doesn't need 1900 pound I suppose. What is the real street value of a 48b or 50b Shakespeare Crane? A typical 48b Crane (Lachenal, Wheatstone, etc), in good playing condition (but not an Aeola or anything special like that), sells at prices around about £900 to £1200, say, in private/dealer transactions. (Though maybe with the weak pound foreign demand can push prices up a bit.) But in general £620+buyers premium for one that, so far as we can tell, needs doing up is not necessarily specially cheap, even though it was sold at a little known auction house at a remote location where you might expect to get the occasional bargain. Now we expect things at shop-based retailers to cost rather more than the above prices, perhaps 50% more even. As far as I can see the 50b has its two extra buttons on the right hand, so is therefore limited to the standard 20b (C to G) on the left hand, in contrast to a 55 button which is usually 30+25, giving you the full two octaves in the right hand. So I can't see it is worth any special premium over a 48b unless it is a concertina of very special playing quality. So I don't know why Hobgoblin think they might get £2500 for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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