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Hello I’m new to this so I fear this may be a dumb question but in any case... Does anyone know why some of the key positions on my Wheatstone Duet (serial 26008) were changed? I’ve attached a drawing showing the changes vs. the standard keyboard lay out shown for a 56 key Wheatstone in Ernest Rutterford’s Tutor for the Duet... 1) the C# and C on the left hand 1st and 2nd columns, bottom row are switched 2) the B flat and G# on the right hand, 1st and 4th columns, top row are switched. 3) the left hand D# has been moved from the bottom of column 3 to column 4 and 4) an extra F was added to the right hand bottom of column 5 along with a Whistle key near the air key. Would all these changes have been ordered to accommodate the buyer’s personal preference to make it easier to play a particular type of music, or am I using the wrong chart? For quite a while I kept thinking I hadn’t found the right keyboard chart but after reading Jim Lucas’ posting on October 24, 2014 about the Macann Duet keyboards I’m now wondering if the placement wasn’t customized. My thanks for any help you can give me. - Wes filename-1-3.pdf
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Hi All I am a newbie to Concertina.net and I have been playing for two years now. I have learned on an Anglo Stagi and have acquired a vintage 48 key Wheatstone. I could adapt to the Wheatstone fingering but I'd prefer to sell or exchange for an upgrade to an Anglo 30 key of similar quality. Please advise me as I need your expertise. Long live the music and this forum.
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Are any of the relatively less costly vintage instruments available in a 56 key tenor-treble? I am getting mixed reports on what tenor-treble models I should be searching for on a limited budget. Did Wheatstone or Lachenal make a simple rosewood ended, bone buttoned, steel reed in a TT compass for example? Please give me some suggestions so I can focus on some specific models. This could cause some debate (valid discussion but not here please) but I am not interested in instruments with accordion reeds. I also much prefer a vintage Lachenal or Wheatstone as they will keep their value which is very important to me as this instrument wil have to be sold when I have the extra to trade up. Right now, I have a treble tthat is very basic with bone buttons, rosewood ends, steel reeds and could easily get by with a similar TT while I save up. Please advise.
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Wanted - 48 Button English To Learn On - West Coast Canada Or PNW, Seattle area. Edit: I am now actively searching for a Lachenal Edeophone 48 key with the large reed pan hole from the late 1920s. I am really enjoying the English concertina but my bone button instrument is in terrible condition and not worth getting professionally restored. I have been told that the Edeophone has the best balance of all the vintage concertinas for the type of music I want to play. It is very important to me that the steel reeds have never been tuned, that it is in old high pitch. The rest of the instrument can be rough as long as it is able to be restored. Please let me know if anyone has something like this or knows of one for sale. I prefer to buy locally in Canada but would certainly be open to getting the right instrument shipped from the UK or the USA. Thanks, John Message me through this forum please.
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Hi, I am starting to search for a high quality g-d anglo. Looking for: 30 buttons or more, plays very well, true concertina reeds. I normally play c-g, am interested in expanding into a lower register. Thank you! Janet Have found a lovely instrument - calling off the search. Thanks! J.
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So my Wheatstone 46b Maccann duet finally arrived a week ago and now I am a very happy person This is the concertina I was looking for all this time. I tried English and Anglo in the past but now I know now that the duet system is the right for me. In my opinion this is the best concertina system to sing with (just my opinion) I got it form Chris Algar of Barleycorn Concertinas and I had a really good experience dealing with him. I highly reccomend Chris if you are looking for an expert restored and fair priced concertina. pics: serial number: 35.333 (i think it places it 1938-1939?)
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Bought this around 2008 at Hobgobln's in London for over 2000 GBP (about $3,125 USD). Asking price $2,500 USD. I can send pix, video to interested parties. The concertina itself could be viewed in person at a variety of locations: Utica New York, Washington DC, Colorado Springs, or Marlow England, depending on where you are and what time of year it is..... b.l.losiewicz@gmail.com. Xe.com is a good place to check out currency conversion. I could accept payment in dollars or pounds. good playable condition. I am selling it because I bought a Lachenal to replace it.
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I made these videos of the Wheatstone concertina I bought from carlfromsouthafrica. Enjoy! http://instagram.com/p/vq0eKbSd6Q/ http://instagram.com/p/vq0KueSd4C/
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This follows on from a topic about Irish Traditional Music played on the English concertina and my attempts at learning and playing a couple of tunes I heard and liked a while back. Though admittedly not a great fan of ITM, I occasionally went to a local Irish session, some years ago and learned a couple of tunes I liked. These were Out on the Ocean and the more recent Calliope House, written by Dave Richardson of Boys of the Lough. On this recording, I play Out on the Ocean slower to start with and play it again at the end of Calliope House, quite a bit faster for a change/challenge! Comments welcome. https://soundcloud.com/aeolaman/out-on-the-ocean-calliope-house Chris
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Ben of this parish has a metal ended Wheatstone anglo listed here and on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wheatstone-C-G-30-Button-Anglo-concertina-/251573534900? He describes it as making "a lovely Wheatstone sound." This set me to looking for what that sound might be. Turns out, it is harder than one might think to find a sound file or Youtube that is useful in that regard. I eventually wound up on the Button Box anglo listing, where I found a 1952 Wheatstone Anglo (Ben's is a 1953), and, right above it, a Clover, which has accordion reeds. Both have videos. Both sound pretty darned similar to my ears. Button Box note that the Wheatstone have steel reeds in aluminum frames, as would the Clover. So that may explain the similarity in sound. So, for those of you who have had a listen, is this a typical Wheatstone sound? I've certainly heard "honkier" concertinas, where this one is pretty-sounding. Has the Clover essentially duplicated this 50s-era Wheatstone sound? Are older Wheatstones (perhaps with brass frames) honkier? For newbies with no practical chance to play a lot of boxes, it would be terribly useful to have a collection of sound files of various makes. I know, of course, that there's likely to be a lot of variation amongst makers and eras, so perhaps this is impractical. Thanks for your thoughts. Greg
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Hi! I´m looking for a MacCann Sytem Duet Concertina. 46 buttons would be great but I´m open to your suggestions. Lachenal or Wheatstone (I guess those are the only MacCann system Makers) Please contact me if you have something to offer. Shipping would be to Miami, FL. Thanks a lot! Gaspar
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Steve Dickinson learned about concertina making by going into the Boosey & Hawkes factory on a Saturday morning (in the early 1970s) to help Sid Watkins, the last of the old Wheatstone concertina craftsmen. But he was astonished to turn up as usual, one Saturday morning in 1974, to find everything thrown out in a skip, and to hear that Sid had died that week - so he then set about rescuing the old Wheatstone firm and eventually took it over. Sid Watkins is the man to be seen grinding strips of reed steel at the beginning of the Concertina Factory British Pathé newsreel. This BBC report on the history and construction of concertinas, from the East Anglian Film Archive, has been posted on "the other channel" (melodeon.net) today, so (obviously) I thought people here would like to know about it too: Spectrum - Out Of Town - Squeezebox: Concertinas,1985 Thornham Magna, Suffolk "Opening with [Dick Miles] and concertina quartet performing Mexborough Memories - a ballad about the Mexborough English Prize Concertina Band from Yorkshire - the film moves to the Suffolk workshop of Steve Dickinson, who makes concertinas under the Wheatstone & Co. brand. Construction methods including hand-sawn patterning and reed placement are shown, before Dickinson explains the operation of this unique instrument and its use to perform brass band and parlour music. The segment concludes with a parlour performance by Dickinson's own concertina quartet." I used to visit Steve when his workshop was at Thornham Magna, and Dick Miles used to live at my house...
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Came across this article which I haven't seen referenced here: The Wheatstone Concertina and Symmetrical Arrangements of Tonal Space, Anna Gawboy, Journal of Music Theory, 2009, Volume 53, Number 2: 163-190 Abstract The English concertina, invented by the physicist Charles Wheatstone, enjoyed a modest popularity as a parlor and concert instrument in Victorian Britain. Wheatstone designed several button layouts for the concertina consisting of pitch lattices of interlaced fifths and thirds, which he described in patents of 1829 and 1844. Like the later tonal spaces of the German dualist theorists, the concertina’s button layouts were inspired by the work of eighteenth-century mathematician Leonhard Euler, who used a lattice to show relationships among pitches in just intonation. Wheatstone originally tuned the concertina according to Euler’s diatonic-chromatic genus before switching to meantone and ultimately equal temperament for his commercial instruments. Among members of the Royal Society, the concertina became an instrument for research on acoustics and temperament. Alexander Ellis, translator of Hermann von Helmholtz’s On the Sensations of Tone, used the concertina as a demonstration tool in public lectures intended to popularize Helmholtz’s acoustic theories. The English concertina’s history reveals the peculiar fissures and overlaps between scientific and popular cultures, speculative harmonics and empirical acoustics, and music theory and musical practice in the mid-nineteenth century. http://jmt.dukejournals.org/content/53/2/163.full.pdf+html Terry
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Bought from Chris Algar in 2012 but we never really got along. I'm doing the Haydn dance now so this one is just sitting here on the shelf. In Chris' words: "It is a Wheatstone 55 key Crane No 35123. It has raised ebonised ends, metal buttons, steel reeds and 6 fold bellows plus the case that is pictured. It has just had a complete restoration with new pads, valves, straps and the woodwork .." I"m looking for 1600 euro, which is less than what I paid for it. Appropriate gift to concertina.net when sold through here. Pictures available on request -- couldn't attach them. As skype or gmail call can be set up with interested parties. p
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A friend is selling her 1915 Wheatstone English. It's set at British High Pitch, A452, presumably its original pitch. That lead me to wonder a few things: were all early concertinas tuned to high pitch and either left there or subsequently tuned down? (EG. would my 1875 Lachenal Anglo originally been high pitch?) or what other pitches do we find or hear of English-made concertinas tuned to? Anyone ever come across a concertina tuned to A 445 (Society of Arts Pitch)? Or circa 430Hz (used as a de-facto standard by modern forte-piano players)? when did concertina makers adopt modern pitch? The orchestral world seemed to go there circa 1895, but Kneller Hall (responsible for the military bands) held out till 1927. Given Gillian's conca is between those times, who might have used it? Salvation army, maybe? I don't remember seeing a large role for concertina in military bands. Frightening to face the onslaught of a battalion of the Royal Fusiliers, lead by a row of High Pitch concertina players being pushed along in wheel chairs.... This information may well be out there, but I'd appreciate a push in the right direction (as we beginner Anglo players need from time to time...). Terry
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This is A 36 key, with a C drone, C/G Wheatsone Linota concertina. It was made in 1918, serial number 27845. This instrument is in good condition. It has been serviced regularly by Tim Collins and Noel Hill since I've had it. It is very easy to play and sounds great If you have any questions feel free to contact me at gannonsmusicshop@gmail.com. Click on the video below to view and hear this instrument. Picture of the serial number attached. http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vintage-Wheatstone-Linota-Concertina-for-sale-made-in-1918-/171212259642?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dd0bc13a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruv0OR4OAOs
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I have set up a new You Tube channel to demonstrate playing of the Crane duet concertina- firstly for some of my songs, although I may add some tunes later. The instrument is a 1926, 58-button Wheatstone, steel-reeded duet. Hope you enjoy them. The songs are: "Jim Jones" -an Australian transportation ballad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F7IL-PjVtc "I Only Have Eyes For You" - a classic Tin Pan Alley song written in 1932 by Al Dubin and Harry Warren. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bKF8FaNPp4 "My Own Dear Galway Bay" - not the ' Galway Bay" song that begins :" If you ever go across the sea to Ireland...." made famous by Bing Crosby...but the trad' song, written in 1895 by Francis Fahey, that is sung by the people of Galway.( a much better tune in my humble opinion). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4u9yqYLqNk "Tie' em up" - a self-written, sort of angry protest " shanty" - about the limiting of fishermen's days at sea in the South West of the UK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWKeOog2kRA "Rule and Bant" - another self-written song, about two men who were entombed , but eventually rescued after five days, at the Drakewalls Mine in Gunnislake, Cornwall in 1889. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtRPow5iPug
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I was wondering how many of us play both Jeffries and Wheatstone systems and how easily others can switch between the two? I have spent many years playing a Wheatstone layout and just recently acquired a G/D with a modified Jeffries layout. I am seriously tempted to have the right hand modified to a Wheatstone layout and have the other left hand modification undone so it is the same as my C/G. What are other folks opinions regarding the playing of modified and personalized layouts and the switching between Jeffries and Wheatstone?
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Please help Caroline Regan track down her stolen Concertina; It is a Wheatstone 40 key anglo with black bellows and metal ends. It was stolen this afternoon (Sunday 15th December) from the Crown Moran Hotel in Cricklewood. The case was dumped outside the pub. If you see or hear of anything please get in touch with Caroline at caz4regan (at) hotmail.com Caroline would be extremely grateful for any help spreading this message far and wide Thanks
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Hello! I'm a new user on this forum so first off wanted to say hello! I've been playing concertina for about 20 years since the age of about 10! I've just bought a new wooden ended wheatstone concertina - my other concertina is a metal-ended and very loud so wanted something a little quieter for acoustic song accompaniment. However, my new concertina has an interesting history which I'm fascinated by and I would to get to the bottom of it. It has the usual Wheatsone label on one side but a very unusual label on the other side which reads: MADE TO ORDER OF T. WALLACE CHURCH, LANCS. WHEATSTONE & CO. MANUFACTURERS, LONDON. The normal label reads: WHEATSTONE & CO. PATENTEES AND 22551 MANUFACTURERS 20, CONDUIT STREET, LONDON, W I bought the concertina from barleycorn concertinas and have been told that to find a Wheatstone with the name of another person is extremely unusual. I've looked up T Wallace on the 1911 census and found that he was 49, living in Church, Lancashire and is described as a 'dealer and repairer of musical instruments'. However I can find no other trace of him or any connection Wheatstone on the internet. Church in Lancashire is very small place. The population now is under 4000 and it was probably smaller in the 1890's. I just wondered if anyone had come across anything similar or had ever heard of a T Wallace who dealt in concertinas or how he would have managed to get Wheatstone to actually add his name to the label! Thanks so much and I look forward to chatting to you all :-) Louise x
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For Sale: Wheatstone Aeola Treble, #27864 48 keys, 6 fold bellows, steel reeds, brass mounts, concert pitch, lovely tone, original leather case Original manufacture: May 8th, 1919 (http://www.horniman.info/DKNSARC/SD01/PAGES/D1P1150S.HTM) Refubished: 2009 by that nice Mr Gibb @ theboxplace - incl pads, valves, thumbstraps & retuning The concertina came to me from a lady who was sorting out her grandfathers effects - the only history I have is "he'd had it all his life" - but I doubt that was from new. You can see in the photos that the fretwork has slots for bowing levers. There is no mechanism and indeed there are no airholes in the actionboard base or the reedpan (i.e. it was built like this). Leather case is OK for storage but I'd recommend a new case if you're you going to be taking it out It's an excellent player - classic Aeola versatility, ready to go and just looking for the right person to make beautiful music with. Reason for sale: one in, one out! Price: £2700 incl UK delivery Location: Northumberland & occasionally elsewhere (ask!) Donation to C.Net - irrespective of sale. thanks Rob
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Trawlers of Ebay will no doubt have spotted the six sided ‘Aeola’ with comma and dot fret work presently being offered by Chris Algar. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Extremely-Rare-Wheatstone-48-Key-Pinhole-Aeola-Concertina-for-Restoration-/251294689884?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item3a8254aa5c#ht_237wt_962 It is numbered 23125, but does not seem to carry the ‘Aeola’ name marked on it as others do. The number is of some interest as it is just later than at least one 8 sided Aeola – that in the concertina museum - 23107 http://www.concertinamuseum.com/CM00082.htm This would suggest that for a short period both 6 and 8 sided ‘Aeolas’ were being produced, both with the ‘dot and comma’ fretwork (a result of outsourced manufacturing of concertinas and parts, or tapering in and out of old/new models perhaps?). Perhaps the absence of ‘Aeola’ marking on the six sided instrument presently offered on eBay points to the exclusive use of this branding for the eight sided instruments by this point. By coincidence another early Aeola is also on eBay at the moment, numbered as 23296. This has the more usual open fretwork – indicating perhaps the demise of ‘dot and comma’ by this period. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330944973596?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_77wt_962 Do any C:netters know of further instruments that help refine this sequence or the disappearance of the six sided version? Or even better, if they have the missing Wheatstone ledger(s) for the period, share any of the information contained within!
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I was researching an Wheatstone concertina in the Horniman ledgers and noticed the designation "S.V." then "W.S.". Does anyone know the meaning? Thanks http://www.horniman.info/DKNSARC/SD01/PAGES/D1P0750L.HTM
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Following on from the Aeola 64 key baritone-treble concertina, serial number 28617, that was recently sold on Ebay, I came across a link to a Canadian website with an article about concertinas. By coincindence, it happens to feature the next concertina down in the ledgers from 28617, 28618, also a 64 key baritone-treble, which has survived and is owned by someone in Canada. Both are wrongly marked in the ledgers as a model 20, which is a baritone only. It should be a model 16. There is also quite a bit on the history of concertinas, albeit with the odd mistake here and there. Quite possibly, these big Aeolas were made specially as band instruments, either for playing in concertina bands or for the Salvation Army. Here is the website address. http://www.thecanadasite.com/antiques/concertina.html Chris
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