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  1. Hi Guys and Girls the “What we all look like “topic was very interesting So I thought we could have a similar “what do our concertinas look like” Its a complete coincidence I happen to have bought a beautiful wheatstone raised ebony ends this morning TTC Tony two concertinas LOL
  2. Hi guys why are reed tongue slot walls not parallel ? tony
  3. Hi Guys I posted a sound clip of my first fumblings LOL and received my webcam this morning so thought I would embarrass myself further and post a rather hurried video clip We were jamming some gypsy jazz last night and Viper mad came up as a suggestion, I reviled my concertina !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a relatively simple progression in the key of G nice departure from my C for everything LOL it work great with the guys but was a lot slower LOL but as the video can only be 1.9mb the sound is not great or the picture and its not only badly played but badly played fast as I said I would update with my progress here it is I think I have improved and a little gentle critique would be welcomed but suggestion like burn the concertina or better the player keep to yourself LOL Tony viper mad.wmv
  4. Hi Guys Just logged on Oh dear over a hundred views no replys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Should I start building the fire ,I can feel a joan of arc moment comming LOL tony
  5. Hi Guys Thanks for the info Geoff the valves worked great many thanks Questions: 1 I’m going to buy a few reeds to play with tune /starting speed etc but reading through the forum I’m a little confused Are the reeds tuned on the tuning bellows then fitted as done? Or fine tuned on the instrument? Question: 2 What are the reeds made from (spring steel?) and would Stainless Spring Steel be a good non rusting option? Question:3 Are the reeds in my Wheatstone McCann duets the same reeds used in the Anglo/English Wheatstone Concertinas? Were the reeds made in quantity then allocated to an instrument or handmade for each instrument I’m assuming they were all pressed out but were they final fitted for individual instruments? Thanks Tony
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    Two Questions and another question?

    Hi Geoff hope this makes sense The little (closures/blocked off inserts) on the pull create a chamber with a specific volume I’m assuming to enhance to tone? But on the push is the central hole a combination of all the pull volumes added together? My heath Robinson tuning rig was also freebie I’m helping my friend build an Ebony flat-bed view camera So I’m purloining leather card glue Etc as the camera will need bellows and its good practice and if my tuning rig last 37 years I won’t be using it for tuning concertinas probably as a shopping basket attached to my Zimmer frame LOL Tony
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    Two Questions and another question?

    Hi Dirge “wood cures, the whole instrument shakes down” that I can understand wood is a natural substance with grain differences moisture content I have built virtually identical guitars from the same batch of spruce /rosewood /former with very different sound characteristics but spring steel is more uniformed and according to George loses its elasticity and obviously degrades I was reading this very informative webpage http://www.concertinaconnection.com/concertina%20reeds.htm (Reed shapes and frequencies The reed actually ‘chops up’ the air flow in small air waves. Unlike other reed instruments (e.g. clarinet, sax, etc.) the vibration of a concertina and accordion reed itself hardly produces any sound. In fact, laboratory tests have shown that the sound produced by the reed itself is negligible) If the sound is created by the airflow as the reeds don’t actually produce sound the reed sound chamber and the reeds flexibility would seem to be more important than its composition? Your reference to Jeffries is really funny as I measured the reed yesterday and it looked rather familiar and georges first comment on inspection was “it’s an old blue clock spring” LOL If you’re interested in building a duet perhaps we could collaborate sharing info plans measurements etc Tony
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    Two Questions and another question?

    Hi Dirge so it’s more about the setup and final finishing that the actual materials used So best the reeds would ever sound is as it left the factory every subsequent tuning would probably diminish the quality of the sound produced George was a little dismissive about my romantic notion that concertina reeds were special “spring steel”LOL he has been working with all manner of sheet metal for 40 odd years and he started rattling on about carbon Silicon,content ,yields but when he mentioned "music wire" I paid attention LOL piano strings etc He looked at the back of the reed (Blue Tempered Spring Steel) He said at that thickness cutting strips without distortion would be important ,he said he could use a small brake press to get a close tolerance I’m retiring in a couple of years and I was looking for a project /hobby that incorporates music and engineering in some form as gardening is not an option LOL and the concertina seems absolutely perfect I want to build myself a little McCann duet concertina I can have non working hours time on his CNC to cut reed frames, he’s a little older than me so I want to use the CNC before he sells up and retires LOL and I have a modest stock of Ebony maple rosewood left over from various restorations so I’m trying to find out everything I can about the components that I’m not familiar with and how the volume of the reed cavity Acts upon the reed Etc I will shut up when I’ve gathered all the information LOL Thanks Tony
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    Two Questions and another question?

    Hi guys sorry for all the questions I have been researching “spring steel “there are references to “Great set of reeds ETC” I contacted a friend that has a sheet metal fabricators (hoping to get a bit of off time on the wonderful CNC machine LOL ) we were chatting about (Blue spring steel)he stocks its properties etc is this the spring steel actually use in concertina reeds? I understand guitars opening up with age and playing and improving in tone and response but surely the older the reeds the less responsive ? As they will lose elasticity? I noticed the two E reeds had both been tuned one was much thinner and it appeared thinner in tone? So is a brand new full thickness reed preferable? the concertina is such a wonderful instrument and a little engineering marvel I want to learn everything I can about them Thanks Tony PS I was going to mark the notes on the concertina but on closer inspection the thoughtful Mr. Wheatstone has stamped them all for me on the reed frames LOL
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    Two Questions and another question?

    The cream colour was all he had LOL Tony
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    Two Questions and another question?

    Hi Guys many thanks for the info I had a little drama as on closer inspection (powerful magnifying glass) the pull G reed on my ebony ended Wheatstone was not correctly aligned at the clamped end and was buzzing and obviously no amount of movement at the tip would cure it so AHHHHHHHHHH I removed the screws repositioned and “no buzzing “equidistant fit all round compared the tuning it was just a little off so I used the push G and my tuner as a guide and carefully retuned I have some fine fret dress files and they worked a treat and an old feller gauge as a support and it sounds great I made a sort of test tuning bellows last week a friend does book binding so he gave me the card and leather etc and it works surprisingly well I had already started making a flexible brass clamp but the temporary rubber bands seemed to work fine The one thing I don’t understand is why the reed is a different pitch outside the concertina is it the volume of air in the sealed chamber? Is my concertina full of helium? LOL Thanks Tony
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    Wicki-Envi

    Hi Guys I’m a little confused? Are the Wicki and hayden different systems? Tony duet addict LOL
  13. Hi Geoff many thanks he’s a really nice and helpful chap I just ordered several valves !!! And a nice new strap Tony
  14. Hi Guys i,m getting a ” flabby short flutter? Just before the low G on the push ? then it sounds clear Question:should the valves be flat to the pan at rest as I’m thinking the noise is the valve slapping back as it’s not perfectly flat at rest ? Question: If it takes three concertina players 1 hour to fill a bath using 2litre buckets of water and six accordionists 2 hours to fill a bath using 500ml jugs of water Why doesn’t someone just turn on the tap! LOL Tony
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    What our concertinas look like?

    Hi Guys & Gals thanks for the contributions I absolutely love the concertina Pictures (Tinaporn) LOL Tony
  16. Hi Geoff many thanks for the info I think I will replace the offending little devils LOL Is it a specific kind of leather? Tony
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    Advantages of a raised ended model?

    Hi Guys Gals it must be different on Anglos ? I just measured the wheatstone duets and the palm-rest height is higher on the raised ends to compensate for the raised ends height “wouldn’t like to have to say it fast” LOL Tony
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    Advantages of a raised ended model?

    Hi Guys To be honest reading the available Wheatstone literature “short touch and rapid articulation “ I thought raised ends was just a sales gimmick ,but just one day playing the raised ended version in comparison to the flat ended it’s so much easier to play it quite unbelievable I do mean “a massive difference” not just a slight improvement Your fingers seem to flow naturally and depressing two buttons together with one finger for say an um –pah F to Fmaj7 chord is suddenly so easy also its almost effortless, it’s like powered steering the end result is pretty much the same but the effort required to achieve it far less The hand position is actually more as your hands would naturally rest and returning to the flat ended version I can see my hand requires a less natural approach to play and returning to the raised ends is just so much more comfortable I’m sure this would certainly reduce the possibilities or RSI and as I have a pre-existing wrist injury the reduction of effort is a great plus Very few things in life do exactly what they say on the tin LOL Fortunately this is one of the exceptions Tony
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    What our concertinas look like?

    Hi Guys Gals love the pictures these thing are really works of art Hi Geoff I thought it was probably a stained hardwood as I use a lot of Gaboon /Macassar ebony in restorations and at around 3mm thickness its liable to shake But I’ve been having a closer inspection of the ends with a super bright LED light I have in the workshop (eyes aren’t what they used to be LOL) and there are just visible slight dark brown seams? I often use a stain if it’s not completely black on ebony fingerboards to cover the grey/brown seams and the ends also have that characteristic polish grain look and feel I think it may possibly be ebony cross laminated? as in one corner it has a slight visible line on the sloping /undulation if this makes sense, it’s also very heavy in comparison to my rosewood one LOL but the light touch buttons are absolutely brilliant and although the reeds respond pretty much at the same speed it’s so much easier to play I bought the raised ends one as I really want to learn more about the mechanics/acoustics ETC and I did bid on a couple of ebay fixer uppers and then I tried a Lachenal bone button version but I figured I’ll learn more from a well made quality instrument and I am intending to make one ,so it’s the perfect pattern to have the only problem at the moment is a slight “don’t know how to describe it” flabby short flutter? Just before the low G sounds on the push ? And Geoff many thanks for your help and advice 1910 and 1928 LOL Tony
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    What our concertinas look like?

    Hi Guys sorry if that post appears almost “boastful” but it was not intended as “look at what I’ve bought “I’m just delighted to have found an instrument that can effectively replace the violin and guitar that I’m now unable to play because of my wrist injury and I seem to have developed almost an obsession for everything concertina based and would love to see some pictures of the members concertinas (that sounds a little sleazy LOL) I remember the first outing of the MV Augusta F4 at the motorcycle show And I thought then I must be getting old as a pretty half naked girl was draped over the bike and I remember being irritated as she was blocking my view of the wonderful exhaust system LOL Tony Ps I’ve been playing the concertinas side by side and I am very surprised at how different they sound ,the rosewood that I thought was warm seems sort of “harsh” but in a really nice throaty way and the action is very positive but requires a little pressure, the ebony raised ends sounds completely different its a mellow and warm sound a bit like its slightly compressed ,very smooth and the action is incredibly light it’s not quite as loud as the rosewood it also has 6 fold bellows opposed to the 5 fold on the rosewood but I can’t see how that wound actually make a difference to the sound or does it? tony
  21. Hi guys all this informative duet chat has wetted my appetite for some McCann duet playing does anyone have any soundfiles of McCanns being played? The only stuff I can find seems to be Sort of emulating anglos or “I’m selling it this is what it sounds like “clips LOL One lovely rendition I have found is Londonderry air on the forum that really shows the fullness and capability of the duet (and the player Dirge) Don’t be shy I posted my first duet concertina abomination ,some of you are probably still recovering from the experience LOL Tony PS If nothing is forth coming I may post more of my recordings LOL
  22. Hi guys many thanks for all the info and offers for duet concertinas my friend Martin has finally gone home with his concertina!!!!! He’s absolutely delighted and the look of absolute concentration on his face while attempting to play La Valse d'Amélie was a picture to behold “he was playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order"LOL and the difference in sound between the concertinas was most illuminating As I’m now hooked I have reluctantly sold one of my beloved guitars(A lyon & healy 1900 parlour guitar ahhh) to fund my next duet concertina I flirted briefly last week with an Anglo (a lovely concertina )but unless I can keep a spare brain in a jar for each system or play it with my feet it’s just not going to happen LOL I,m looking for a metal ended Wheatstone McCann duet 46 button concert tuned ready to play if anyone has one for sale please contact Many thanks Tony
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    WANTED Wheatstone Metal ends McCann duet 46 button

    Hi David my decision to play the smaller 46 is primarily because the chap that started me off played some outrages jazz tunes and appeared to alternate between sides for passing chords and he played a rather nice ragtime piece that will probably take me a year just to assemble the chords LOL what I haven’t mentioned is a rather nasty wrist injury “colles fracture “that effectively ended my career playing the guitar, I started out originally as a drummer but played the guitar as a child and with the advent of the “evil drum machine and sequencers” I switched back to guitar and for 30 odd years “No day job” LOL I also played the violin, probable the musical love of my life Ahhhhhhhh I played bass for several years in a country rock band and switched between keyboard and guitar in the nineties playing that awful soft rock that was incredibly popular . My passion has always been gypsy jazz Dixieland Ragtime but I sold my piano as the repetitive downwards motion created havoc with the nerves damage on the wrist and last year I had a re-evaluation of the injury and it’s not going to improve so I have reluctantly accepted that the wrist rotation required for the violin is not viable and have been slowly divesting myself of my wonderful instrument collection(but my drum kit along with my beautiful violin are staying in the loft just incase the aliens arrive and can transplant arms,I want one Buddy rich one Jascha Heifetz LOL) So over the last few years I’ve been looking for an instrument that not only inspires me but is easy on the wrist and the chance meeting of a McCann duet concertina player at a bluegrass session was great karma as the concertina fits both perfectly The daily wrist exercises I do are almost identical to the concertina fingering and the wrist has so far not reacted and my OT has given it the thumbs up “I’m delighted” and its size weight and “how does one put it” manipulative limitations make playing the little 46 button very comfortable And as to playing with my feet it already sounds like I am LOL Question gentlemen:could I get seven fold bellows for my duet? tony
  24. Hi Guys the chap that played one that started my interest only told me it was a duet concertina!!!!!! I contacted anyone that would speak to me and looked on the internet for duet concertina information I couldn’t remember any of the useful information like how many buttons it had I just thought the rosewood ends were pretty LOL Four systems appeared available McCann 1884 only vintage instruments , seemed a proven formula they were available but all the info described it as difficult and not very intuitive so this was shelved Hayden / Kaspar Wicki 1896? looked intersting it was suggested the fingering was more logical, practical, effectively an improved system but I thought it would have automatically replaced the McCann system ,and if only 50 modern versions were made it seemed impractical to actually buy one but I found a budget Stagi Hayden Duet concertina was available and I was going to buy it but found this article http://www.concertina.com/gaskins/which-duet/index.htm Two down two to go LOL The Jeffries this could have been the better system but the cost and availability of the instruments made this a totally impractical choice for a beginner Ahh the Crane system 1896 another potential spanner into the works LOL as it seemed to develop into “The Triumph” used by the salvation army this actually looked the most promising at the time as I figured the sally army would play the easiest most logical system? And it was a proven System as it was popular so it was a Crane for me but luckily I had some work at the studio where I met the American chap and the engineer had his phone number and after that deliberation It was 46 Wheatstone McCann duet he played LOL Tony
  25. As I’m now totally obsessed with duet concertinas and with the help of a more knowledgeable member I am compiling a sort of wish list any suggestion corrections ,comment welcomed 46 button McCann duet concertinas In order of quality and desirability Wheatstone Metal nickel plated ends Wheatstone Ebony ends Wheatstone Rosewood ends Lachenal Metal nickel plated ends Lachenal ebony ends Lachenal rosewood ends Lachenal mahogany ends The buttons also graduating in quality from metal domed tops then metal finally bone As to reeds internals bellows Etc I’m assuming the more expensive the concertina the better equipped it would have been ? As the golden age of concertina production seems to fluctuate, possibly depending on the year the person concertina was manufactured that’s suggesting the date LOL among the suggestions are 1890/ 1910 or 1900/1925 or just the 20s ? any information would be most appreciated “I do have a little insight as Gibson’s quality dropped during the mid fifties due to union issues and a buyout I’m sure Wheatstone would not of had union issues in the 1900 probably 16hour days for a bowl of gruel and corner to sleep and that was management LOL Tony
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