StephenTx
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John ... *blush* to say I am a classical concertinist....I am taking lessons from a classical concertinist! Pauline has taught me so much. I am able to read treble cleff (and I work hard at it the bass cleff) , learning a lot about timing and pacing but I drawing blanks on this whole chord thing. I buy music that has the guitar chords but cannot figure out how to make it work as there seems to be one or two chords for the entire measure...and I can't figure out how it works. To play the melody is boring ad to play the thirds (I believe it is called is the same). HELP is what I need I am not a music person I am in healthy care....so Im not dumb but do sem to be having block. The main purpose of why I took up the concertina was to use as vocal accompaniment.
I have read what you have all posted in this thread but I am still having brain farts. (as we call them in Texas). Jim has reached out and I am going to contact him.
A frustrated concertinist.
StephenTx
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Oh my goodness, how I have enjoyed this thread. I have been active for awhile, nursing back a shattered wrist....but I am back. I am an English player have taken Skype lessons from Pauline de Sono but I am trying t get to the point of vocal accompaniment as discussed In this discussion...alot of which is over my head with the music terms.. I need some help understanding chords and how to use them to accompaniment of my voice. Do any of you do lessons via Skype? StephenTX
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Thank you for sending the music. I am excited about coming this year. I am hoping you have good opportunities for us English players
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I am very please to report that my Edeophone has found and new home and is returning to her motherland. Thank you Greg J. for all your help and support!! A donation has been made to the site. I don't know for sure if the new owner is a member as I could not find her in the directory...her name is Caz. Congratulation Caz for a fine adoption!
Stephen
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is the big metal puppy in the center bottom row part of the sale, or is it there for structural engineering purposes? i'm looking for a loud, bright baritone or tenor, and probly will end up going hybrid given their scarcity, but just wanted to cover every, um, base, here, get it? you know,leave no pyramid keystone unturned?.....
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Stephen Knoll had sent me his Edeophone to lighten up the action and to check the tuning. Stephen now has it on consignment with me for a price of $3300 + shipping.
It is a nice example of a metal end Edeophone with a strong sound more than capable of holding its own in a session.
I had the pleasure of playing this instrument at the 2012 Old Pal Festival in March. It is a very very nice instrument, and the only thing keeping me from it is my personal indigence. Whoever purchases this Edeophone will have a wonderful instrument in their hands.
Reed, How you doing friend. Thank you for your comments about the Edeophone. She is a great instrument I just unfortunately have too many nice concertinas acquired during my personal period of "concertina acquisition neurosis" :-). You looked and played great with Edeophone are you sure your name isn't written on her?
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[and is a tenor/extended treble.]
yes, i saw that....i'm hesitating over the high notes, don't need or want them, but on the other hand....if the power and volume were there, t would be such a cool thing to have....
The Edeophone, I believe will meet your requirements fine. Great price check it out price wise to the one being sold by buttonbox.com
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Lachenal EC Edeophone Raised Metal Ends for New Home
Great Opportunity - All reasonable offers considered. Check out the buttonboxs.com they have a similar Edeophone for sale for $3800.
After much soul searching, I have decided to put my Edeophone up for sale. Why? This is my second year in the concertina world; quite honestly I am a recovering concertinist from "concertina acquisition neurosis". Since I started I have purchased a vintage Lachenal (brass), Wheatstone (steel) and a Wheatstone Baritone. I really like all of them but the reality is that I was simply not able to play all of them. This instrument deserves to be owned by someone who will play her.
I purchased her last year here on CNET from a very nice lady from the State of Washington below is what she wrote me all all hold true today.
"She is an English Concertina, 48 keys (lowest note is a G) 6 bellows folds, is tuned to concert pitch and has raised metal ends.
I bought this instrument in the early 1980's just after it was extensively refurbished by Colin Diper (His work stamp can be seen when the metal ends are removed).
The instrument is in excellent shape and has a full gorgeous sound and quick response. The serial #48055 which I think indicates it was around (1912)?
The concertina comes with a sturdy case that was hand crafted in 1985 especially for it."
I have decided to post it initially here on CNET hoping it is bought by someone who I know will appreciate her.
A great opportunity make and offer and my personal email is stephenknoll@yahoo.com
Thank you,
StephenTx
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Yes that is why I included that picture. . I wouldn't say that it was necessarily unfortunate but rather isn't it fortunate that we have the capability of fixing these rich vintage instruments and bringing them back to great shape.
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Lachenal EC Edeophone Raised Metal Ends for New Home
After much soul searching, I have decided to put my Edeophone up for sale. Why? This is my second year in the concertina world; quite honestly I am a recovering concertinist from "concertina acquisition neurosis". Since I started I have purchased a vintage Lachenal (brass), Wheatstone (steel) and a Wheatstone Baritone. I really like all of them but the reality is that I was simply not able to play all of them. This instrument deserves to be owned by someone who will play her.
I purchased her last year here on CNET from a very nice lady from the State of Washington below is what she wrote me all all hold true today.
"She is an English Concertina, 48 keys (lowest note is a G) 6 bellows folds, is tuned to concert pitch and has raised metal ends.
I bought this instrument in the early 1980's just after it was extensively refurbished by Colin Diper (His work stamp can be seen when the metal ends are removed).
The instrument is in excellent shape and has a full gorgeous sound and quick response. The serial #48055 which I think indicates it was around (1912)?
The concertina comes with a sturdy case that was hand crafted in 1985 especially for it."
I have decided to post it initially here on CNET hoping it is bought by someone who I know will appreciate her.
The asking price is $3600 and my personal email is stephenknoll@yahoo.com
Thank you,
StephenTx
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Hi just wondering if still available? I am wondering why you are selling? StephenTx
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Would you be interested in doing it via Skype. Pauline desono in the Netherlands is excellent , I have been having lessons by her via Skype and she is great and very well known and respected. You can see her playing on you tube. Let me know if I can provide more info to yo. Stephen tTx
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For those that use this, what material do you use? Leather , chord? Do you merely loop it through the thumb straps?
Randy, As a student of Pauline deSnoo I use a strap and purchased some from Wm. Wakker at $42.00 (IMHO much too much for the material that goes into them). Pauline stressed "balance" of the concertina and does not believe they should be place through the thumb straps as it causes an "unbalancing of the concertina" rather they should be place as described in this discussion or a special eyelet modification. I recently sent my metal ended Edeophone to Greg J. and one of the things he will do is modify it so I can wear a neck strap.. Being metal ended it tends to be heavier and without a strap I experience a lot of "thumb pain" compared to my Wheatstones.
This all being said. I have watched many of your videos and really like how you "get into playing" and the dynamic movement of your concertina and how it contributes to the musicality of the pieces you play. This is restricted with the typical neck stray and I have been thinking of using an elastic strap that would be able to independently support the instrument at the correct playing height but flexible enough to allow me to move the concertina around as you do. In my mind it would include either leather or a some sort of a reinforcement that would sit on the neck for it to be more comfortable. The leather piece could be sewn to the ends of the elastic, a hole punched through it and held in place by the thumb strap screws. I did notice on the you tube video below which I believe is Gill that he showed the used of the elastic strap, but much longer than I would get. Pauline, feels the strap should hold the instrument with your elbow bent in front of you. I got a kick out of the suspender solution. This might be a good one for you...but you might lose your britches. :-) Seriously that solution seems restrictive to me. Love the music you play as you know I have contacted you in the past to see if you do lessons. Hey you got me motivated, I think I am going to the Hobby Shop this afternoon to see if I can find the elastic and swivels to make a couple for me and see how it works.
I want to be able to swing like you Randy!!!
StephenTx
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Sold Buy it Now the next day on Ebay for $450.00 by a CNET member. Shipped from the US to the UK this time. Thank you to the buyer and CNET and I will be making a donation to CNET.
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In general, how does a Stagi of this era (1980s) compare with the current Stagis?
Are they the same construction and reeds, or have they changed significantly.
I have a Jack 30 button baritone and am wondering if this is a significant improvement on the Jack, apart from the extra buttons.
Thx. Don.
Don, To be honest with you I don't know the answer to your question. I have heard talk that the older Stagi's like this one were of a better quality.
Hoping some of our knowlegeable folks weigh in on it.
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STAGI ENGLISH BARITONE WITH 7 FOLD BELLOWS 40 BUTTONS
Great Stagi Baritone nice tonality - In pitch. I purchased this earlier this year, as I was wanting a Baritone loved playing it and the 7 fold bellows is cool. Previously owned and cared for well by a music teacher. I liked the Baritone so much I bought a Wheatstone Baritone and obviously do not need both of them. It will be up for auction for seven days. If someone from here buys it I will make a donation to CNET.
It is posted on Ebay and will run for seven days starting Sunday July 29 at 8 pm CST. The starting bid is $450. Here is the link:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=english+concertina+baritone&_sacat=0
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David, colleague...really is ironic as I too introduce myself as avocation and vocation in the same way you do albeit without the graphics. I have been in surgical anesthesia administration for many years, prior to moving to Texas I was the Executive Director of Corporate Operating Rooms, Anesthesia Services for Columbia Presbyterian. I am not with The Joint Commission for the past 7 years, 5 of which were a full time Surveyor and presently I am the Associate Director of Standards Interpretation a Chicago central office job albeit I am able to telecommute most of the time and I speak around the country once a month.
I have taken the music theory course, the issue is remembering and incorporating it all into playing. How long have you been playing the concertina? It is getting late, more later. PS I agree with your anesthesia wisdoms, I was a Director (founder) of a School of Nurse Anesthesia at The Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu in the late 70's and 80's, I was with Queens (home) for 25 years prior to moving to Columbia.
More later
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Stephen,
I have been playing the English concertina for a year and a half now. At first I just used sheet music to play (mostly folk songs). Recently I have tried to play by ear or memory. I
Mary, Seem like I'm running about 6 months behind you. I wish I had a group to play with who are slightly above or at my level with a tutor above each of us....you know with the new Skype you can do a group...I keep thinking with the right folks this would be fun." I love San Diego and thinking about moving there...to retire.
Stephen Tx
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I agree with everything above, and also offer a different approach:
Each of the seven notes of a scale has its own identity, and plays a specific role in the shape of a melody. Work toward making these notes your friends, so you can recognize them when you hear them.
David, Darn I know what your saying is very important and I do understand the concept but what I would not give to Skype with you for awhile for a demo and futher discussion. I loved the graphic vocation and avocation. Did you do that for me as it hits the nail on the head as I am a CRNA (anesthetist) by vocation....
Stephen Tx
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Kautilya, Is the A4 sheet of paper approach
If u want to use the dots as an up and down flow guide for your ear and to help your ear memory it is very difficult to read em off a full score on one sheet of paper...print is too small. Think the bouncing dot on song words across the theatre/cinema screen for singalongs
Kautilya: Oh! now I know what you mean by A4! Poster paper as we call it in the States; I can see that this would be helpful with memorization of a song but how does it connect with playing by ear? StephenTx
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Kautilya, Is the A4 sheet of paper approach the diagram contained in the link? The diagram sums it up as practice (20 minutest a day), I think I probably play 1 hour a day. My challenge now is not to play the songs I can read fairly well but to work on the ear training. Bottom line in the article which is so true: "find what works for you". Well Stephen get to it you have received one helluva lot of great advice.Incidentally, I received my 1865 Wheatstone EC Baritone yesterday and I LOVE IT.
Stephen Tx
Congratulations on your new acquisition, Stephen. But I thought your baritone serial number dates it to 1854, the same year as mine, not 1865, as you have put above. Has it got younger crossing the Atlantic, perhaps?
Anyway, I hope you get hours of enjoyment playing it. 
Chris
Chris ....you know I have looked through the ledgers the serial # is 5180, what is yours? I have been unable to find the exact entry, but I only went through three ledgers. What is yours serial #? Man I love playing it more each day.
Kautilya
Another variant -the A4 sheet of paper approach (before switching to ear only!
the file name should be learning not earning; but may be busking also improves yr skills faster!
Stephen Texas
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John, Great advice and I will JUST DO IT. Thank you so much and you will be hearing more from me.
Stephen TX
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it is just a matter of time and getting comfortable with the instrument and for that "learning by ear" is very helpfull.
Geoff, You are always so generous in providing great information and mentoring. Now I have printed yours as well as the others contributions...and I am going for it. Incidentally, I received my 1865 Wheatstone EC Baritone yesterday and I LOVE IT. It is great when I sing with it. For years I have been a tenor, but I really think I must be a baritone as it was so easy to hit the notes with the baritone. What a wonderful warm sound and such a clean instrument. I bought it (won the Eba auction) from David Robertson. Now ...on with learning by ear. I can promise I will be back and seeking your expert advice.
Stephen Tx
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Friends-I have been playing my English concertinas a year now and in retrospect I am happy with my progress. Through my initial Skype lessons with Pauline DeSnoo, lots of practice and advice from many of you I have become comfortable with reading music and being able to navigate the buttons albeit more practice is needed timing, tempo, expression and playing in a group as I don't have anyone in my area.
My question now is how to begin to learn (in the most expedient way) to play by ear? I know that this skill must be learned to fully internalize oneself with the instrument and vice versa. I have scoured the Internet and read many an articles from "high faulting" music theorist with all the music jargon to other with a more practical approach. Don't get me wrong as I have learned a hell'uva alot from reading, lessons and here on CNET. I am not a musical person by occupation but more by vocation and heart
; meaning the less theoretical the approaches would appeal most to mm, while I do understand that it will take a combination of both. I have done many online searches for learning by ear software, so any advice in that direction would be appreciated. I would love to receive ya'all's (a Texas term) advice and seek your assistance once again. Stephen in Texas[/size]
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