Peter Laban
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12 hours ago, wschruba said:
Renaissance wax
I was thinking of that as well, works great on wood and metal.
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I was trying to think of other 'things' happening around that time.
The Kilfenora trad fest is on 24-27 April this year. In case you find yourself pulled towards the Burren, there may be a few tunes going.
Also Clare and not concertina specific, Lahinch is doing their trad weekend around the 17th. A lot of it session based if you are into that sort of thing (although, in fairness, they usually have a very good line up of people playing), but a few other events as well, eg Angela Crotty is relaunching the Junior Crehan book during the weekend.
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I don't think you are playing too fast but you probably need to work on emphasis and phrasing, get stuck into the detail.
But you are going well and all you need to do next is listen to good players playing jigs, zoom in on the detail, give tune breathing space and you'll be flying it.
So far, so good, in other words, and well done
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Another brainwave brought this to mind, a recording of Carl Hession's compositions, both as CD or book + CD combo.
Cunningham, Francis, Eimear Coughlan, Carl Hession, Úrnua [S.A.]
There is no year on the cd or cover as far as I can see but 2018/19 I would guess.
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If you can manage a long extra week before Dingle, Consairtín in Ennis may be worth looking into (Programme 2026).
Otherwise, there's plenty to enjoy around Dingle, ýou may even want to visit the Blaskets (or the Skelligs), if the weather is good. And, as Wes suggested, the Burren will come into bloom around that time (take the Shannon ferry at Tarbert, for a short cut to Clare).
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On a side note, Cormac and Breandan Begley appeared on the Tommy Tiernan show last night. Cormac mentioned the course briefly.
See Tommy Tietnan show Jan 31st They were the second interview.
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O'Dwyer, Seán- Irish Trad Concertina from Beara (2010)
Trying to chase up a copy of this one, up came this, suggesting a Beara "tina 2 (2015), including some of Ella Mae' s playing.
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I was at Ennistymon library just now going through the cds (always interesting to see who's been in, some people have a habit of putting their own recordings up front), there were a few Niamh ní Charra ones there that are not, so far, listed (I hope I remembered the names correctly and that spellcheck doesn't interfere any further during posting. ) :
Nî Charra Niamh.
-Sugach Samh/ Happy out (2010)
-Cuz : tribute to Terry 'Cuz' Teahan (2013)
-Donnelly's arm (2020)
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Crowd sourced threads always reach a point where 'mission creep' sets in.
Noting some contributions earlier on this thread I was thinking whether or not Jackie Daly's recordings, the one he plays a bit on the concertina as well as his usual box, should be included or perhaps not.
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1 hour ago, hjcjones said:
it should be used sparingly or it soon becomes tedious. Used judiciously a drone can bring an interesting contrast to an arrangement, but use it all the time, or in every tune, and it quickly becomes boring.
I have some recollection of seeing someone work a shruti box with a footpedal. It was effective though the same caveats as above would apply.
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McCarthy, Jacqueline, Tommy Keane, The wind among the reeds (1995)
I am scouring the corners of the house and found this. How could I forget?
I remember talking to Tommy Keane who joked about 'They'll be good yet' (or perhaps it was after our turn at a concert we all played at), saying we (Kitty and myself)were 'the best concertina and pipes duet but one'. 😋
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7 hours ago, Takayuki YAGI said:
I checked my tapes for dates:
Volume 1 (1992)
Volume 2 (1993)Volume 3 (1994)
Volume 4 (1)996
I also have a vague memory that I had a Volume 5 in CD format. (I am still looking for.) That Volume 5 includes Caledonian set with some Co. Kerry sets.
I gave the dates listed on the covers of mine. I imagine. As far as I can remember I got them off Larry Lynch in Miltown Malbay around 1997/8. Different editions/re-prints , I imagine.
There was an additional, later, CD edition. The Clare crowd was on it as well as some others, including Brendan Begley IIRC. I have never actually seen it though.
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1 hour ago, Morgana said:
Peter I'm not familiar with the "Lena's" book, thanks I'll check it out.
Mary MacNamara's pandemic project. The weight of it will cost you in postage, I am afraid.
And it's not all concertina .
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5 hours ago, Takayuki YAGI said:
And it reminds me of the book with CD of William Mullaly.
Yes, I mentioned that somewhere above. The earlier Vivavoce cassette of Mullaly 78s needs to go on as well. I'll submit it as soon as I dig it out of the box with cassettes.
[Edit: no time like the present I suppose:
Mullaly, William - The first Irish concertina player to record, [S.A.] (late 80s/early 90s IIRC). - Vivavoce 005, cassette only release.]
Don't worry about the Crehan stuff, I tend to drift into that sort of single track thing as well. It's very tempting to get all completist. There are lps with tracks of people like Michelle O'Sullivan and others who are worthy of attention but have no other recordings out and it's very tempting to try squeeze them in, even if just to acknowledge them or draw attention to their playing.
And another edit/addition:
Larry Lynch's set dancing tapes which had Tommy McCarthy, Eamonn McGivney and Michael Tubridy(with some Junior Crehan) play for Clare sets and some others for Sliabh Luachra sets. Four tapes in all (and some went to CD later). It's lovely music.
McCarthy, Tommy, Michael Tubridy, Eamonn McGivney, Junior Crehan - Set Dances of Ireland, Voilume 1, 1992. - cassette
McCarthy, Tommy, Michael Tubridy, Eamonn McGivney -Set Dances of Ireland, Volume 2, 1996 [Side 1 has Denis McMahon, Paudi Scully and Timmy O'Connor playing for Kerry sets]. - cassette
McCarthy, Tommy, Michael Tubridy, Eamonn McGivney -Set Dances of Ireland, Volume 3, 1994 [Side 1 has Denis McMahon, Paudi Scully and Timmy O'Connor playing for Kerry sets]. - cassette
McCarthy, Tommy, Michael Tubridy, Eamonn McGivney -Set Dances of Ireland, Volume 4, 1993 [Side 1 has the above playing for the Lancers, second half of that side and side 2 have Denis McMahon, Paudi Scully and Timmy O'Connor playing for Kerry sets]. - cassette
There must be re-printed editions in there (unless the volumes were not released in order) cf years vs volumes
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2 hours ago, Takayuki YAGI said:
Junior Crehan played concertina only in one track. Junior's mother also played concertina in another track. Tony Crehan on concertina in several tracks
If you, at this stage, start admitting recordings with one ir two tracks if concertinaplaying, you will open the floodgates and, as I said, there be monsters after that.
I am in two minds about it. My first response was to list every little bit. There are many recordings that have interesting bits of concertina tucked away on them and they should perhaps be mentioned somewhere . But being practical about it, I think Morgana will have her hands full right now finalising the thing within the parameters she set without further complicating matters by admitting material like this. Added to that, if you want to ido this properly you will have to list the single tracks,an enormous addition to the workload.
Mind you, I already mentioned a few, the Sanctuary sessions, Lámh ar Ĺâmh/Many hands, the Riches of Clare cds etc There was a fundraiser for Lissycasey GAA that had some nice concertina music on it, the Tulla archive double cd that has Mickey Donoghue, Paddy Grogan, Mary MacNamara and John Naughton tucked away between the other stuff, iNoel Hill and Tony Linnane on the H block support recording, Kitty Hayes' very first recorded track on a fundraising project , the Masters of Tradtion compilation, various Willie Clancy week compilations and loads more like it.
Which brought up the thought: do you want to include the Cds included with the 'Lena's' book?
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Hurley, Mairéad, Nathan Gourley, John Blake - The Truckley Howl, 2016 [-ish]
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I found an entry for Christopher Droney . 1962 release is confirmed there. There are images but doesn't allow hotlinking them.
https://www.45cat.com/vinyl/album/gl2102
OK, Workaround:
I have never come across the lp. So that will have to go on the mental 'look for' list. Not holding out much hope for this one, though. I always look at the second hand shops etc. and get lucky sometimes with cheap lps, CDs and 78s. Very saytisfying stumbling into the unexpected ones. Or the ones you've been hoping to find for years.
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10 minutes ago, Morgana said:
Please do not assume that any errors are from tardiness,
Don't worry, I don't. I n a different life I compiled bibliographies and lists like this and know mistakes and slips are inevitable while compiliing, especially when taking entries from a variety of sources. And that why it important ti go over the whole thing when you finalise it, a fresh pair of eyes can avoid blind spots we all have. It's all fine and the end result counts.
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On a sidenote, once entries are mostly in, I 'd recommend to format the entries in a uniform way [eg order alfabetic on the surname of the concertinaplayer, title, year, reissue information], give the list a thorough proofreading and weed out duplicates and omissions, correct typos (eg Bernard O'Sullivan and Tommy McMahon's Clare concertinas appears twice but their second was lost, The Russell family was from Doolin, not Dooling. That sort of slips that are as easily fixed as they are made). Seems obvious but will make a more user friendly list.
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A few more that seem to have slipped the net:
Claire Keville, John Weir, Eithne ni Dhonaile, An Trí is a Rian, [S.A.] (somewhere during the noughties IIRC)
Breda & Claire Keville, Music from Galway, 2022
Dympna O'Sullivan, EnrichedSaibhriú, 2014
Paddy Murphy, Peter O'Loughlin, Paddy Canny. Geraldine Cotter, Friends of Note, 2019
Tom Carey, Tom Carey, 2009
Florence Fahy, Tunes from the Flaggy Shore 2017-ish (I think)
And I just thought of this one:
Aoibheann and Pamela Queally, Beyond the bellows and the bow, 2019
I used to teach Aoibheann the pipes she was going to Tim Collins for the concertina at the time (and Gary Shannon for the flute). She eventually stuck to the concertina because it was less fussy. She has nice music anyway and the two sisters had a nice duet going.
Another trio with backer worthy of inclusion I think:
Gabriel McArdle, Ben Lennon, Seamus Quinn, Ciarán Curran, Dog Big and Dog Little, 1989 (and I have a notion there was another project that had McArdle, Quinn and Curran)
You may also want the 'Paddy and Bridget' recordings in there, I have no details handy right now. Isao and Masako Morisau are a Japanese couple that went round everybody they could find and recorded bits with them, She played the concertina but they also had Gerdy Commane and others on their two CDs. 'And their Good Friends' was the title of both, 1 & 2 IIRC
Perhaps ITMA's reissue of the Mullaly 78s should be there?
On the Triur recordings Peadar O'Riada played some concertina, not sure what you should do with those.
It's probably wise to leave out bands, every man and his dog seem to be playing concertinas these days. I mentioned tracks on compilations of various players earlier, in a way there be monsters if you go there but there is some important stuff there perhaps. The track on the Sanctionary sessions tape was for a long time the only recorded presence of Dympna O'Sullivan we had, and it was lovely too. so it feels significant in that sense.
The appearance of Noel Hill and Tony Linnane,(with Barry Moore, the later Luka Bloom) as Inchiquin on the German tour lp is significant in its own right as the Inchiquin lp was a product of a few 17 year olds who played competently but only two years later they had lift off and they had become Hill and Linnane as we came to know them an astonishing jump in their musical development and worth it for that reason. But as I said, there be monsters there and you open the floodgates to who knows what. I was looking at the Lámh ar lámh/Many hands double CD last night. It's another fundraising project, there are tracks by Noel Hill but the second CD has a house dance at McGabhann's, perhaps Caitlín nic G's first recorded contribution. I left that out as it would fit a player's discography well but perhaps not a general one like this one. On that note: NicGaviski, in or out? What to do with Jack Talty's Ensemble Ériú, certainly an interesting project that put the concertina in a different environment.
Discogs list the Christopher Droney one as a 1983 cassette only but that may well be a reissue. They do provide a tracklist. it's a Copley release.
By the way, Chris' daughter Ann Kirrane, had a CD out, Behind yon mountain, that has her playing the concertina as well as singing.
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9 hours ago, RAc said:
because Mr. Barnert and Mr. Laban have reinforced their respective reputations as part time hardcore grouches by only picking on your errors and not wasting a single word on an appraisal, let me jump in here,
Ofcourse the internet will immediately throw up someone who can give their most charitable interpretation of what was essentially an offer of help filling in some gaps. But there's always one, isn't there? Pots and kettles.
For starters I can offer a few lps, 70s mostly:
The Russell Family of Doolin, Co Clare, 1975 [Packie, Gussie and Micho Russell]
Jack and Charlie Coen- The Branchline : Traditional Music from Galway to New York, 1977 (reissue already listed)
Father Charlie, Father Charles Coen : Traditional Irish songs and tunes, 1979
Inchiquin, [Hill,Linnane et al], 1976
Traditional Music of Co Clare, Bernard O'Sullivan & Tommy McMahon, 1976
Clare Concertinas, Bernard O'Sullivan & Tommy McMahon, 1977 [ listed above as 1994 reissue)
John Kelly : Fiddle and concertina player, 1975
More recent CDs of Claire Keville, Tom Carey, John Joe Casey and the Keepers of the tradition one have come to mind since as worthy additions
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At a quick glance, there are gaps there: Noel Hill's first recording with Inchiquin snd their later live appearance on a tour recording, Dympna O'Sullivan, Larry Kinsella, John Kelly, Kitty Hayes Remembered, and a bunch of others. All sort of recordings that will have some concertina tracks, (Comhaltas tours, fundraisers benefits, Sanctuary sessions, Riches of Clare the McCarthy family album (and the Kelly one for that matter) etc).
And you may want to correct Cathy Custy
I'll have a closer look when I have time.
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46 minutes ago, davidevr said:
Not the same for accordions and concertinas.
It depends on the type of concertina and accordion, I suppose.
When I used to play with Kitty Hayes we were sometimes joined by Jackie Daly or Josephine Marsh, playing either the accordion or concertina, which ever was handy. They were pretty much interchangeable to them.
There's the well known story about someone finding Jackie playing the concertina and reacting 'Jackie, Jackie, I did not know you could play the concertina' to which Jackie immediately shot back 'Anyone can play the concertina'.
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An Incomplete Anglo Concertina Discography...
in Concertina Videos & Music
Posted · Edited by Peter Laban
As another little side note, this is Cruinniú weekend and I was just listening to Bernie Geraghty playing a few Chris Droney tunes. She said when she was learning she knew a man who had 'all the Chris Droney lps'. She borrowed them to learn from 'and they never went back'. Anyhow, she played two polkas she didn't name but the second one was the Lakes of Sligo. She made a fine job of them too. I figured she must have scored the 'Irish Dance Music' lp at the time.
It was a nice, if second hand, insight into some tunes played on the recording.