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  1. Well, the fact remains that for the kind of playing you want to do, there is a class of concertinas designed deliberately to do that, and that is the Duets. You are fortunate to already have an idea of the style of playing you want to do, and it really sounds like a Due to me. Which system (Maccann, Crane/Triuph, or Hayden) is a whole 'nother matter, but the main thing is to go with one of them. --mike
  2. To the contrary. It's just that when you posted that statement, they hadn't yet responded. (I see that Daniel Hersch and Jim Albea have since responded. Can it be long before David Barnert and others do the same?) Of course I love the Hayden system. I just haven't had a look at concertina.net for a few weeks. But then again, my Hayden is a Wheatstone. I certainly love the Hayden layout -- so much that I;'ve ben accused of proselytizing too enthusiastically on this Forum So I lay back out of the last couple discussions, to see what others had to say. It fekt good to see a thread c
  3. The Elise is hard to see as an upgrade to the STagi -- fewer buttons, rough action, small buttons. However, it does have more responsive reeds than the Stagi, and its standarad button spacing means you can move up to a fine box without relearning the finger locations, as you must when coming from a Stagi. Also the Elise is easy to modify the handrest to be parallel to the button rows, no slant. The main problem with he Elise is its missing notes. The STagi at least has the standard 46 keys. And the Stagi looks pretty (tho not quite like a concertina). And if you did not get your
  4. Given that you haven't invested much time or money in the ENglish, and you want to accopany yourself with chords and bass (and countermelodies, etc.), you really should look at a Duet, which is designed to do those things. I play a Hayden. Don;t let people put it down becuse it's easy to learn" -- it is very easy to get started on, wiht instant payback, but like any instrument it takes lots of hard work to unlock its full potential (beyond oom=pah bss). As Frankevich pointed out, the upgrade path for Hayden is improving mightily. Of course there are plenty of vintage Maccanns and Cra
  5. I play a different type of DUet from DIrge's, but what he says about fingering is absolutely true -- sometimes you use an alternate ("wrong") finger to make the best finger available for the next note -- and those are the exceptions you notate over the note. I don't use numbers, because I grew up on piano, where the htumb is 1, the index finger 2, and hte pinky 5. Bu fiddlers learn index = 1, etc. SO to avoid confusion for anyone else reading my scores, I use letters i, m, r, and P for index, middle, ring, and pinky. You could use L or B for pinky, as in little or baby. --Mike K.
  6. Well David, I hope the B Box has a reminder hsete of what we did get. Because I changed my midn at the last minute while registering, and now can't remember jsut what I did sign up for! But I'm sure I'll like it. Se you at the Button Box tomorrow eve, and snitch a ride to the Red Roof, OK? Thanks, Mike K.
  7. I just finished reading the Clover Kit wep page. That kit i so cool! IF I were an Anglo player, my order would be getting typed right now instead of this posting. I would love to assemble that kit. I hope the Hayden will also be in kit form when its time comes. Will it be the standard 46 keys, or more, or fewer? Thanks for all you've done for the concertina world -- Mike K.
  8. Hayden Duet, soprano and alto recorders, fiddle, guitar, and bass guitar, plus mandolin or second guitar. That's the group I play in, and we sound really good on the Irish and old-timey tunes. --Mike K.
  9. IIRC the late Richard Morse was working on a mid-range Hayden after producing similar anglo and english instruments. I don't know what his process was, but given that he never completed the project I'm guessing the answer to your question is: harder than you'd think. There are surely others more with more knowledge of the story than I, but it didn't seem like a simple retool. The fundamental problem with building any type of Duet is the large number of reeds and buttons required. A Duet has roughly two chromatic octaves on each side, and the low bass reedds are concentrated on the left si
  10. Well, the first question you should answer is: Do you intend to play just the melody or other single-part line, or do you want to accompny yourself with chords, bass, and/or countermelody or other form of harmony? If the former, then it's EC versus Anglo. But if the latter, go for a Duet. I won't get into the merits of the various Duet systems, but I do play a Hayden and am very satisfied with the system. --Mike K. PS: Yes, occasional chords can be slipped in on an English, and some ANglo players can sound almost like a Duet. But if you want to play like a Duet, get one :-)
  11. I can't really agree with that. I think a big part of the "benefit of the layout" is how diatonic scales fall easily under your fingers, and how octaves fall in the same pattern -- neither of which have anything to do with transposability. You can certainly play all kinds of good music on even a limited Hayden keyboard, like the Elise. And isn't playing with two hands part of the essence of a duet? Transposability is nice, but not really "the point." Especially as I feel these "tina" applications are for fun and practice, not performing or serious playing. So a nice wide field for single hand
  12. I think you'll find more limitation in the missing notes (like no G# or D#/Eb), than in the pitch range. But you can substitute chords -- using E minor in palce of E major can make a tune more mournful and sad, for example. Drone bass is easy on a Duet, a great way to get started, and I've had good results with drones. Then as you get better, you can start hopping the "chord" around, where the chord consists of the root note and its fifth. Best of luck, and keep us informed of your progress and any questions. --Mike K.
  13. Your diagrams also show added notes B and Bb on the LHS (left side). Those are very desirable, but may be hard ot fit into the real estate available. I'm still on the fence aobut Eb versus D# on the LHS. ON the RHS, Eb is just as good as D# and maybe mroe ueful. If there is room, a low A in the obvious place (the Ted Row or row #0) would be really handy for fiddle tunes in A. WOuldn't midn a low A on the LH side for bass, but that's a BIG reed. --Mike K.
  14. The Hayden Duet is perfect for your situation, musical experience, and interests. You'll be quickly playing melodies on the right hand (tho it's good to practice them on the left as well). And for learning harmony and chords, as well as countermelodies and parallel 3rds and 6ths, there's nothing better than a Hayden's left hand. Within a couple days you'll be playing major and minor chords along with your tunes, then move on the oom-pah bass and chords -- or jsut skip that and play single-note countermelodies on the left hand. It's true that many Hayden players use the box as a small a
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