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It may well be a PC (Personal Concertina)XP thing for AVG Anti Virus. As we all know, MacCann [sic] players don't usually get viral attacks unless they are playing both ends against the middle in a duet with XP for Mac..... But will keep away from it anyway. Another ebay scam doing the rounds is fredericc233(just google frederic233 ebay to see dangers listed) who claims to be waiting for payment for an ebay numbered item and one is very tempted to click but in fact it is a very detailed phish. DONT click and watch out for similar.

Some good stuff from this guy somewhere in Sweden on youtube Here is an earlier reference (but there are more by him on youtube - someone also mentioned putting a little bit of foam sponge around the strap (tho that was partly to swap users where one had smaller hands but sponge avoided moving strap holes up and down. Apr 6 2008, 02:48 AM Post #1 Advanced Member *** Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Ashland, Oregon Member No.: 2955 Looks like this video was just posted on You Tube. Discusses English and Anglo straps and wrist supports. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEPTosZ44g&NR=1 Yvonne Also look at shoulder straps to reduce need to 'hold' the box: see Pauline de Snoo of the Int Concertina Assoc at

HOW DO I Righteeho - message coming through loud and strong. With reference to all the above points. The complexity of the options just spelt out (IMHO) is a good indicator of what a mountain the newbie has to climb - there is an implicit assumption of knowledge already known to the newbie which is not the case. I was not talking about googling from within any of the sites. I was talking about starting from the main google search page and getting better search results than searching within the sites. The basic question I was asking was whether one should label useful tips with HOW DO I (or equivalent) ...... then the detail which would lead to the answer. That would produce a growing number of HOW DO Is..... cutting away the need to read through hundreds of entries to find the relevant one. The rest of my comments were examples of why I thought this and suggestions of why I wondered if one could graft on (not radical departure) a simple word string which would help the uninitiated... it would have helped me I am sure in the not too distant past. Not to worry! This bellows is running out of breath and has to run anyway. Keep up the good work all!.

Well, in the section of the FAQ called Repair Techniques it says (and has said since version 1.0):- I'm not sure of what else there is to say on this. Nevertheless I have not yet fully read through your post and I will have a good think about the issues you raise. In the introduction to the FAQ I say:- This is why the FAQ is the shape it is. Cheers, Chris Well, in the section of the FAQ called Repair Techniques it says (and has said since version 1.0):- I'm not sure of what else there is to say on this. Nevertheless I have not yet fully read through your post and I will have a good think about the issues you raise. In the introduction to the FAQ I say:- This is why the FAQ is the shape it is. Cheers, Chris HOW DO you do it! Do not underrate how much I rate the mammoth task which your sorting FAQs represents - only a mad genius would be ready to tackle such a mountain but along with Einstein would say "if you want to achieve the impossible you must attempt the absurd". Compliments paid, now more practicals. The search function is the key which does not always unlock the door - so, I have just put an exact phrase from your quote above: can be removed by careful pulling with one finger into the search top right of start page: I get the following: > Board Message Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help files for more information. The error returned was: Useful Links * Forgotten Password Recovery * Register a new account * Our help documentation * Contact the forums administrator I then logged in and searched from the search box above your message with the same phrase: and got: Concertina.net Merchandise > Board Message Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help files for more information. The error returned was: One or all of your search keywords were below 3 characters or you searched for words which are not allowed, such as 'html', 'img', etc, please go back and increase the length of these search keywords or choose different keywords. Useful Links * Forgotten Password Recovery * Register a new account * Our help documentation * Contact the forums administrator I then typed in the word "pan" (this is assuming I have understood at my newbie stage what the name of that wooden thing, which I have only seen in pictures, is. the result: Unfortunately your search didn't return any results. Try broadening the search parameters by searching by different keywords or altering the format of your search. Remember to use the wildcard '*' to increase the number of matches. Apple* will match 'apple' and 'apples'. Search Again? If you notice in your answer referred to above the word pan occurs on its own in the first para and then in the end part of the answer we get "reed pan". Notice that pan is a three-letter word and that conflicts with the search paramater instructions above. I do not know how the search function works on most indices -- I just use 'em but there is some tweaking do be done here or a lot of your hard spent new effort may be undermined by the search function. If I google reedpan it tries to offer me reedman but its first two finds of a couple of hundred thousand from outerspace are Did you mean: reedman Search Results 1. Tour of the reedpan Also, you should realize that the other side of the reed pan, while it does not have the partitions and center doughnut, it does have alternate reeds for ... www.d-and-d.com/tinas/reedpan.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages 2. [PS] English Concertina Reed Pan File Format: Adobe PostScript - View as HTML Slot through reed pan. For reed on other side. Reed Chamber Partitions ... English Concertina Reed Pan. Serial #/Assy #. Location. "L" or "R" to ... www.d-and-d.com/DRAWINGS/PS/reedpan.ps - Similar pages I then do reed pan: and bingo i find the Timson answer right at the top !-- but I should not need to go to Google to find it (if u see what I mean) bearing in mind it did the following: Results 1 - 10 of about 6,780,000 for reed pan. (0.18 seconds) Now, if I put in remove reed pan: I get back to you through google but by another route: http://stason.org/TULARC/musical-instrumen...Techniques.html and then one sees the para, about hooking your finger, is way down the instructions and advice. My thought at a precise moment is how to I get the thing with the hole out .. yes I see the picture in the Elliott repair book calls it a reed pan (p5). I need to find a specific action so I try to do a specific search (with + + between words)/It is not the moment to read a long section to find something in it. I hope I do not sound as though I am cavilling - I really think this technical thing has to be tackled and I only wish I knew how to solve it The principle is relevant to all searches If I want to shed some light on whether (see one of my earlier failures!) Wheatsones or Lachenals were assembled on Scotland Road and labelled there or Crane Bros and or Sons made their own their then if I put advanced search function Crane+Scotland+Road into the search box I get 14 pages and 1,000 results with the second one relating to Palestine : 14 Pages 1 2 3 > » (Search results limited to first 1000) Your topics Mark all forums as read and return to index Topic Title Forum Topic Starter Replies Views Last Action Singing and Playing 123 General Concertina Discussion michael sam wild 40 1259 Today, 02:03 PM Last post by: gavdav Gearing up for Palestine V Concertinas amongst the dogwoods If I do cranes (with an s) +Scotland+Road I get 3 pages to go through in the hope that…. Now if I google my first cnet efforts cranes Scotland road has me leaping from gantry to gantry like spider man, so that’s no good But if add concertina to cranes Scotland road I get an address right at the top of the search – from concertina.com: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,210 for cranes concertina scotland road. (0.15 seconds http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&a...earch&meta= I hope my confusion does not mean it is just me who needs help! As someone I know always says: “My ignorance is my greatest strength” – u just keep asking. rgds PS I just had to go through 32 pages of the repair book again to find the word Sellotape again on p19.....it took me three readings to dig it out last time to find it. But I had only circled it and not put in my own home made index. Oh for an index. (cheap way is to do a complete alphabetical sort of a Word document and then go through knocking out the prepositions and etc etc and you end up with a word list and page reference. Dave's tip really works smoothly... go seatch for it....!

Concertinahowdoi1100209 HOW DO I.................. This is such a rich and diverse site that newbies such as myself could benefit during the FAQ upgrade from a series of simple lines such as HOW DO I.. Fresh eyes are perhaps the ones to ask to come up with those questions and appropriate answers can be attached. I have to say after a little time I am already becoming blind to the obvious questions myself. It is difficult to think like old hands when you are new and only have the search engine. You have to know the answer in order to know where to look. “Why did the concertina cross the road?” Now it is obvious but wasn’t before. “Because it saw a very tasty Crabb between two silver dishes with a slice of Ray Mears Wheatstone-ground bread made in a reed pan it thought ‘I must have some of that!” For example - try to find out HOW DO I REMOVE a reed pan. I spent more than half a day going through the various threads while I stared at the reed pan which clearly had some hidden screws in place, probably under that stuff ( yes, I know now it was chamois) around the lip. I had pretty well decided I would have to cut through the stuff (chamois) to find the retaining screw whatever it was underneath. Then I spotted someone reporting a near heart attack when a certain Mr Crabb grabbed hold of the hole in the middle (but which hole as I was still looking at levers) and just whipped it out and then started twanging away at a reed..... I then stuck my finger through the hole, jiggled very carefully and wow! it began to move. By this time I had forgotten a note somewhere else saying put a pencil mark so that you remember which way in and out....... Please remember newcomers such as myself will be embarrassed to ask simple questions not just because someone will say 'search' the site, but also because one does not want to presume on the kindness of people one does not know, if one understands what one means! So - this could be a chance to have such a simple search. FAQs would come up in the general run of things after you put in HOW Do I, (you could of course put all the How dos ALSO into a Newbie section too - for looking at -- without being “interactive” questions and answers and no “commenting on function”. It would help even more to have a photo and even better a youtube - I know this takes time but maybe the newbies could help? Indeed I have been taking the odd photo for just such a purpose. For example while I was transfixed by the reedpan I actually thought I would have to cut open the leather (well, rexine in my case) to get at the wood underneath where the bellows was attached to the hexagonal wood “thingy” in order to get the pan out. I searched youtube and stumbled upon this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIpE38VoY08 which did not help at that precise moment but it taught me something about bellows management! If there is an answer somewhere already then a phrase or word which will take you straight to that this could be added in the response to the FAQ. That would perhaps reduce the amount of new entries. But you need to know the site v well to add those words – just adding ‘bolt, or stuck bolt’ may not work == so those references need to be done by the experts(of whom there are many and helpful ones too!). If I type in “stuck bolt” I get three pages (I don’t know how many entries and most look as though they are not connected to my problem. http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...e=%2Bstuck+bolt If I do jammed bolt then I get Lark Rise to Candleford plus …. http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...=%2Bjammed+bolt The search box on the home page does not seem to offer an advanced search function. The one after fora opens up does but it is buried a little out of sight (just call it advanced search not further search options) for newbies whereas they may be used to seeing it well up front under Google advanced search (or yahoo or whatever). Anyway if I put in stuck+bolt it don’t seem to deliver: http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...te=stuck%2Bbolt Further (I did buy the repair book which is great but alas it does not have a really detailed index at the back) so I searched cnet and then went through the book another half a dozen times to find the trick with the Sellotape…. (Durex would be the equivalent brand name known to our Australian brethren)Do you know what I am talking about? Sealing cracks ….) So, Maybe after one has taken Tim’s advice (under How do I choose/buy a ... (and bought a Chinese Jeffleys silver ended, gold button with thumb and wrist straps, plus gold reeds, gold plated springs and levers inside) the repair and construction FAQs could start when a) you drag the tina out of the box and rip the bellows... then b)preparing a cardboard box to sit the tina in, c) then screwdrivers with plastic tube over the ends, then jammed bolts (newbies don’t know they are bolts with receiving nuts under the chamois, coz they look like screws), and then a drilled out pencil holder with holes to take the screws/bolts in the right order, then soldering iron to heat jammed bolts, then thumbstrap screws to get at the inside when all the bolts are out but still the English wood end won’t come off then do the pinkie screw holders have to come out too.. all basic questions which newbies may not find so easily but who will be eternally grateful for a direct hit on a simple answer. There could even be some lateral thinking: How do I find leather strips to replace those missing (in tinaspeak “curling valves can be DLeesed but “Theo”logy’s 11th commandment is Thou shalt not put valves on high (little) reeds (metal strips) as the Lord did not put them there in the first place! For the newer newbies that is a reference to discussion all over the place about missing valves for the higher notes (made by the shorted metal reeds) and Theo Gibb of The Box Place. And, although it may be because I am suffering from incipient cataracts, it takes a really long time to understand what people are talking about when they discuss the reeds seating nicely – they have two big screws on them surely – they are tight so they must be ok – it is only when much later you realise that those little metal things are shoved into a tight fitting slot horizontally and the slot is specially shaped so they do not pop up – but could slide out……… dim, in’t I! Thanks for your patience. ps Being a little forgetful in the short-memory stakes I often forget to logout. So I find I am still logged in a few days later. I am a bit paranoid about worms and spybots getting into sites loooking for names and contact details for home burglary (not just pseudonyms) and etc. so I wonder whether it might be safer if the site tripped a logout automatically when dumbos like me close the URL or switch off?) I probably forget because that is usually what happens on other sites we use when we turn off the comms to the Web.

Posting here as well as under (David Levine @ Feb 10 2009, 01:55 PM) - please delete if inappropriate here, but one needs to be careful... QUOTE (David Levine @ Feb 10 2009, 01:55 PM) * Paypal has many critics. Here is one of the most vocal. When I offer something on Ebay I often offer to pay basic shipping fees if payment is made via wire transfer or cashiers draft. You can generally suss out whether a transaction will be safe. In any case, Paypal isn't always as safe as they'd like you to believe. For Paypal to refund fees in the case of an unhappy event the seller would have to have funds in his account sufficient to cover the amount of the sale. Whoops - that link to critic of paypal produced a phishing warning Results Danger: AVG Search-Shield has detected active threats on this page and has blocked access for your protection. The page you are trying to access has been identified as a known exploit, phishing, or social engineering web site and therefore has been blocked for your safety. Without protection, such as that in the AVG Security Toolbar and AVG, your computer is at risk of being compromised, corrupted or having your identity stolen. Please follow one of the suggestions below to continue. IP Address: 69.64.89.67 For additional information click here. Suggestions: * Click the “Back” button on your browser to return to the previous page and choose another link (recommended). * If you would like to ignore the warning and continue to the page, click here (not recommended)

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Boxwood, made by Wheatstone, London.(LC). H5407 Flute, 1 keyed, brown wood, 7 holes, separated into 4 sections, single round hole for mouthpiece, made by Wheatstone, London, England (OF). Tulip wood flute - 24" long single key. Boxwood, made by Wheatstone, London.(LC). http://www.dhub.org/object/243126

180324393510 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Charles-Jeffries-20-...%3A1|240%3A1318 and also? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pre-1st-World-War-An...%3A1|240%3A1318 Looks like the same leaded window as an earler sale, o'erlooking happy workers scything the wheatstones to the tune of bread cheese and cider

I know this is about highest ever, but to throw two pennorth into the discussion, it may be interesting to evaluate on price per button not just top total sale cost. It seems one well known maker suggests that when ordering a top custom tina you should work on the basis of around 100 quid (sorry UK pounds, not a plug of tobacco...) per button. Here's a Canadian (hope its not one of those being discussed) 30 button Wheatstone which is from English speaking Toronto with a notice part in French and for sale in US dollars at 3250 (and at the pound flirting around parity that could endd up more than 100 quid per button). http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Quality-Wheatstone...%3A1|240%3A1318 This one may also work out dearer than 100 per button if not already discussed: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wheatstone-Linota-4...%3A1|240%3A1318 All the Wheatstone dating registers may be thrown into confusion when you see the Combine Harvester button box which Charles II http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/p...=5&role=sit not only played a but at 100 quid per button this would surely rank as one of the most expensive ever made/bought/sold... It was only when I saw the picture I realised the sound (I can be quite deaf to tones) was coming from .... an e-box, named appropriatelely after La Chanson de Roland, so he was also way ahead of his time. Turn away if you do not want to know the score immediately... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9jfJJOdWsAQ&...feature=related

I know this is about highest ever, but to throw two pennorth into the discussion, it may be interesting to evaluate on price per button not just top total sale cost. It seems one well known maker suggests that when ordering a top custom tina you should work on the basis of around 100 quid (sorry UK pounds, not a plug of tobacco...) per button. Here's a Canadian (hope its not one of those being discussed) 30 button Wheatstone which is from English speaking Toronto with a notice part in French and for sale in US dollars at 3250 (and at the pound flirting around parity that could endd up more than 100 quid per button). http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Quality-Wheatstone...%3A1|240%3A1318 This one may also work out dearer than 100 per button if not already discussed: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wheatstone-Linota-4...%3A1|240%3A1318

Just on a side issue, I recently asked a skype expert whether the conference facility could be used for a world record sound squeezathon (and the webcam facility could be useful for maybe later a little YouTube concertina promotion for the most concertinas playing on line at the same time. The maximum Skype conference call allows 24 “callers” which of course could be 24 tina groups with ‘X’ nos. of concertinas in each group. But to get really big the technical question to be tackled is, whether each of 23 of the caller tina groups could each have another 23 conference “callers” etc etc. The numbers get quite big. I am initially told the second stage would probably not work at the moment, but perhaps some of our tecchies may have a solution lurking somewhere.

Apologies this is in general section but it covers a few areas so perhaps someone can decide and kick into one (or 'out' if it is irrelevant). It was stimulated by the debate about virtuosity and problem of finding stuff for the virtuose and virtuosi, particularly the young as well as the older. Also with reference to older recordings.... PROS I dug in the British Library (BL) integrated catalogue [ http://www.bl.uk/ ]and immediately stumbled on : Author - personal LinkDipple, Thomas J. Title Link12 Operatic Solos for the Concertina arranged by T. J. Dipple. Publisher/year LinkLondon : R. Chidley, [1858] Physical descr. 12 nos ; fol. Added name LinkBellini, Vincenzo, 1801-1835. Holdings (All) Details Shelfmark h.2337.(3.) Request "Concertina" brought up some 800 references (who knows how many are musical...although the Lucrezia Borgia must be, so watch out for thumbscrews torture -- (Airs from ... Lucrezia Borgia, arranged for the Concertina, with an Accompaniment for the Piano Forte by R. Blagrove, 1850) And there are plenty more...... The BL also has a growing sound archive which can be listened to in the music collection. Again, I do not know what old recordings might be in there if any. I occasionally have to make trips to the British Library. I might be able to carve out a little time to check for something specifc if someone needed. CONS I have not used the Music collection. I don't have much time. (It can take an hour to several days for a 'paper' item to end up in your hands). For sound items it seems it can take 2 days to a week to order them up and listening may need an appointment a week or more ahead to get a sound booth.) There is some external online interactivity for: sound [ http://sounds.bl.uk/ ] and a search throws up 3,749 ("concertina") but one I checked was a recent item and only available to listen to in the library, some are radio programmes etc. For those with wax in their ears (as per discussion about "who has a cylinder player") I see Druids' prayer waltz (concertina) BLACK AMBEROL 12208 LIST RECORDINGS: 1CYL0002423 Principal performer: Prince, Alexander Product title: Druids' prayer waltz (concertina) Label: BLACK AMBEROL 12208 Format: cylinder Copy condition code: C Holdings PRODUCT Copies Material Location 1CYL0002423 1 CYLINDER Store VISUAL BOOKS (posh big ones) A quick look at the visual gallery has some pictures of gramophones....no Edeophones and some plain chant visible. The visual books section is growing but how much is there I do not know…There is Mozart's musical diary (With 75 audio excerpts) I tried to view Lindisfarne Gospels for some Celtic music or Northumbrian pipe plain chant (hum ho) but spent 20 minutes downloading an Adobe Shockwave plug-in for Mozilla which then would not work anyway. Others may have more luck. Otherwise print catalogue item searches usually only offer the usual reference and type of material and you have to be on the spot to see what is inside. There is something there: Your search for 'wheatstone concertina' returned about 133 results Web pages, no results Online Gallery images, no results Catalogue records, first 5 out of 132 results Journal articles, first 1 out of about 1 results I did not look at these. And: Your search for 'lachenal concertina' returned about 2 results Web pages, no results Online Gallery images, no results Catalogue records, first 2 out of 2 results Journal articles, no results I rarely photocopy there because it is (or used to be) the most expensive place per page I know and usually you have to get someone to do it if a paper item is in dodgy condition which takes ever more time. Often quicker to buy the item secondhand on the Web. There are the usual in-and-out of copyright issues of course / commercial/non-commercial use. I might not be much good with my quill pen (and that time factor again) if someone wanted me to reproduce differential diagrams on the disposition of Jedcertina keys (or variations in different score notations on a “toon”) as used by visiting Canadian Shanytmen vs. The Scousers Anglo-German Keepkalm Players in the Knacker's Arms pub on the Liverpool Dock Rd on the first Monday of each month for the year 1893. Of course if you have read this far, you’re probably saying all may be available at the Horniman Museum…. But try me if you think I might occasionally be able to help on the difficult stuff.

Does this picture (if I can insert it under manage current attachments or go see http://www.priceofhistoys.com/2006/08/24/r...evw-truck-kit/) reflect the kind of thing behind your thinking Theo?: The thumbstrap buttons also look very very like Lachenal ones (nickel perhaps?) and also the button layout on a Lach English perhaps... BTW - it was two days or more, plus a repeat sending of first query, before I received the reply posted at start of this topic. ATTACHMENT OPENS TOO SMALL - sorry and URL picked up my closing bracket -- sorry twice should be http://www.priceofhistoys.com/2006/08/24/r...cevw-truck-kit/

Does this picture (if I can insert it under manage current attachments or go see http://www.priceofhistoys.com/2006/08/24/r...evw-truck-kit/) reflect the kind of thing behind your thinking Theo?: The thumbstrap buttons also look very very like Lachenal ones (nickel perhaps?) and also the button layout on a Lach English perhaps... BTW - it was two days or more, plus a repeat sending of first query, before I received the reply posted at start of this topic.

Heading straight for the Calgary stampede for downers!

Asked if this could be listened to over phone or visited to examine and any dating or numbers etc. seller said: "soory but none of these are possible due to personal reasons and i do not have knowlege of this concertina" Sale says Postal insurance Not offered http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=170293567107 Crossposted to buy and sell

Asked if this could be listened to over phone or visited to examine and any dating or numbers etc. seller said: "soory but none of these are possible due to personal reasons and i do not have knowlege of this concertina" Sale says Postal insurance Not offered http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=170293567107

useful trick, tks K You might want to try executing a print and then select pdf when the print window appears and then hit continue or print in that window and save it to your desk top or whatever folder of your choice. This should give you several pages of everything in the auction listing including the pics. Mind you, that after archiving several of these over time may use up a lot of your available memory space. I only do this for items that I have won so that I have an exact archive of the listing in case there is a dispute, either by me or the seller. Fortunately, I have never had to use the listing pdf in any disputes. Better safe than sorry though. The rest of your suggestions would be better worked out with Paul the moderator of this discussion forum.

JACOB'S BISCUITS CONCERTINA - Maker? Country? Anglo-Irish, German, Crane double puff cream with Guinness flavour? How much time do you have....? Bit like dating a Lachenal perhaps or asking where Cranes were made, assembled, distributed? Is it an Irish concertina or an English German Anglo? To help shortcut this question one could try and a new approach: ask if the seller can 'smell' the item and let us know, in the way that people talk about gunge and odours from inside a tina from being played in smoke-filled pubs...... Why? You might well ask! Putting to one side the Waterford (1881) and then Dublin roots and then the splitting off in 1922 of the branch in Liverpool, Jacob's Biscuit factory in Long Lane (2km long) at various stages not only produced the smell of biscuits across the surrounding area. Next door were Mother's Pride Bread and also Hartley's Jam factories. A summer evening produced the perfect aerial tea smell ... providing the wind was blowing from the west across the fields of the vast estate of the TB hospital and a dairy farm. However, if the wind was blowing from the east then the olfactory music of teatime had to cope with the country odour of the main sewage farm for the area next to the English (not Anglo) Electric factory where some of the first air powered (jet bellows) planes were built......... So does the tin smell of Guinness? But that could be Liverpool or Dublin of course so no clear ID there. Could making biscuit tins have been a sideline by inventive scousers at Crane & Sons (and or Brothers)? The main shop, offices and their Crane Hall (later Neptune Theatre) were in the heart of Liverpool in "Hanover" St., only a 30 minute tram ride from Long Lane. With a street name like that, there is a research route to be followed up in terms of German Anglos...... Someone somewhere suggested Crane’s did not manufacture, but they certainly had something at 217, Scotland Rd. (http://www.concertina.com/maccann-duet/Maccann-Concertinists-Guide.pdf). Scotty Road has always been where the “busies” always went out on patrol in threes and it is unlikely such an area would boast a classy showroom, so one would assume it was a factory (or warehouse for storage or re-assembly?) . This is half way on that tram route from Long Lane – surely not a base for Scottish concertinas and accordions?). This could offer another odour clue. Does the box smell of oilcake, cattlefeed, cooking oil? Bibby’s, oils for the Empire, on the Dock Road, was but a wafting odour away from Scotland Rd,. And where better to get a nice piece of cheap, leftover tin, to turn into the vision now offered on eBay, than from an oil can depot, especially the used tins? But what about the painted transfers on the concertina tin you may ask? No problem, just up the road from Jacob’s is Eric Bemrose (Crane’s was still a musical powerhouse when well established Bemrose gave you the first, biggest ever giant printing process (nearly a million copies) to bring out The Eagle comic with Dan Dare and the Mekon in 1950. So what’s the further connection? The concertina-playing Mekon perhaps…yes that evil little man (looking sick-green without his regular does of pub smoke=filled atmosphere) is a reality. According to Jon Moore (http://www.jonmoore.info/history.htmwith appropriate cuts to make it fit the "facts" of this brief "history") “Dave Townsend (expert on West Gallery music, arranger and performer of the music for dance scenes in BBC TV’s Pride and Prejudice, and undoubtedly the best English Concertina player in the country) played concertina, accordion, and keyboards. …. SIDMOUTH FESTIVAL (Then a folk festival)…. The band did not last long, despite many festival gigs. …..Jon met ROD STRADLING, (melodeon player and seminal musician on the folk scene for the last thirty years. [ http://www.mustrad.org.uk/ses/magazine/ses...tina&op=and ] ….and finally “ It sometimes included members of THE MEKONS ….” You never know where a concertina will lead you… Why didn't I pen this over the seasonal break when more reading time was available….

Smart player! For beginners, he highlights also the whole issue of bellows management, interestingly debated by Goran Rahm in terms of bellows management, where to place the instrument and all kinds of straps. (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wIpE38VoY08 or search for Gran43) Goran seems not to be alone in putting his tina box end, not bellows, on right or left thigh. This brings me to Dick Miles' comment "yes, excellent, but he [Ciarán] will wear his bellows out dragging them across his knee like that" ( http://comhaltas.ie/music/detail/comhaltas..._on_concertina/ offered by Michael Reid @ Dec 31 2008, 01:34 AM Apart from appearance, worn bellows corners seem to be the stage before holes and the curse of the airleak, never mind much spittle from Dave Elliott (Concertina Maintenance Manual, section 5.3.2.) SO If you DO sit bellows on thigh/s (easier for learners certainly struggling to control the snake) can you protect bellows corners from rubbing? And in Ciarán's case, from jeans? Jeans must be great for making holes yet they are pretty common attire for many itinerant players. One should not forget lumberjacks because it is the tree that wears out, before the stone-washed pants. Suggestion/Question Many violinists protect the underside of their instrument by putting a soft cloth (e.g. folded, cheap yellow furniture duster) between it and their shoulder/ and lumberjack shirts for fiddlers (!) (http://www.industrial-workwear.co.uk/acatalog/Work_Shirts.html?gclid=CIu3u_PEgpgCFUog3godBlntCw Do the super players out there think the same practice would be a help or a hindrance ? To protect whatever part of the underside of the tina? The cloth would cause some wear but not as much as denim and with a bit of impregnated furniture polish it could even add to the value as the 'antique age' patina built up over the decades ......... I hope this has not been answered before, but could not find. tks

WHOOPS! dropped end off URL should be http://www.tackheaven.co.uk/products.jsp?cat=46 Sorry

very interesting. KEEPING RECORD OF (EBAY) SALES AND PHOTOS? 1. Has someone been able to work out how to keep easily those ebay sales (and of course photos of the scam offers) and their details as a record for comparison? 2. A link to ebay saying: 'see this fantastic 163k ivory Lanehcaew', is fine if an ebay listing is current. But if the message is an old one then the ebay link is dead so the history has died with it. 3. Or is there an easy way to copy a current ebay item to the forum with its text and photo instead of simply the URL link or would that not be good because of forum space restrictions? 4. Or praps such data could go in a subsection of buy and sell called 'sold or sales history'. When you wanted to find out what a reversible "139k Weachenal" looked like and what it sold for by the dozen over the last five years it would be safely there with photos and final price. It might even have the name of the maker and how long it took to build -- e.g. by Bbarc, started Boxing day 2008, completed New Year's day 2009". Just a thought... K

leather (strap) 5-hole rotating punch UK 6.50 quid delivered. Too late alas for me as i paid 19 quid delivered...ah well, someone else can save a few bob. http://www.tackheaven.co.uk/proddetails.jsp?cat=46