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  1. Thanks for the info. The George Inn shindig sounds good. I aim to go there next week; I spend a lot of time in the Elephant and Castle (SE1) area so this is but a short walk away.

    I've found the George Inn session to be friendly to beginners whilst producing some brilliant music. A winning combination as far as I'm concerned! However, I still sit by the hurdy gurdies - so only I can hear what I'm playing ;) See you there.

     

     

    Is it OK to go just to listen? I am far, far, far too shy a beginner to play in public but I am very keen to listen to others who can. So, can I just turn up to enjoy the noise others make?

     

    you should surely take your box everywhere -- just in case -- or it seems u will be condemned to pinging a triangle or jangling a bell -- as it seems are punters who come 'just to listen'.

  2. The George Session first Monday in the Month in the room beneath the Gallery

    If the Monday falls on a Bank Holiday then it will be the week after.

    The George is five minutes walk from London Bridge (going South)

    Al

     

    After a little reserarch is that this pub? Apparently the George Inn is London's only (17thC) surviving coaching inn with a gallery and perhaps Pepys might have played his flageolet there when not at his regular.

     

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&a...amp;safe=images

     

    It seems it is "organised" by Chris Gibb (http://www.gigcb.com/onbouge.php) from 20.00 hours to 2300 and I am told that apart from some star concertina players on high class Wheatstones and Jeffries and some poor people with cheapos, there are also hurdy gurdies, bagpipes, melodeons, accordions, fiddles, guitars, recorders, bodhrans, bells, tambourines, tin whistles, saxophones, clarinets, harmonicas and even humans singing in French, Breton and English as well as some sea shanty singers? For the mix, it apparently all depends on who turns up with what from triangle to mandolin and it seems that noodlers are very welcome too - sounds like real democratic fusion and great fun. Because of the French connection it is apparently "entree gratuite".....

     

    Apparently there is also easy parking right next to it as it is after 18.30

     

    Must investigate for Monday April 6th unless I get concertina-napped in Frittenden on Saturday April 4

    At the Bell & Jorrocks

    10.30 to 12.00am Concertina rendezvous with Alan Day

    http://frittendenfestival.com/wp-content/u...enden-flier.pdf

  3. I met a friend today who said he had noticed that at a recent auction, in one of the big auction houses, there had been a lot of Concertinas up for grabs!

     

    Did anyone hear anything about this?

     

    Does anyone know which auction this was?

     

    I'm just wondering if it might be possible to still find details about it on the Net & maybe even a few photos!

     

    Cheers

    Dick

     

    2 weeks ago Bonhams in London had an auction with around 8 concertinas - including a Jeffries duet, Wheatstone English metal ended treble, and a large McCann duet (if I recall correctly).

     

    Steve

     

    With a bit of fiddling under sales and then date 'up to March 11' you should get that auction of musical instruments and then try concertina in the search box.

     

    (it is still there unlike ebay! - but Bonhams do not always show specific item but a generic photo.............usually a cluster of metal ended superdoopers e.g.

    http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/p...SaleSectionNo=1

     

    Here is url with some photos for April 9 Oxford auction (hopefully it works)

    http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/p...SaleSectionNo=1

  4. Here. There is at least one more. It's an obvious scam.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wheatstone-3-row-Ang...A1%7C240%3A1318

     

    INVISIBLE SCAMS

    These alerts* are very useful but often the item is no longer there so one cannot see what it was all about and you don't know what to look out for if it pops up again.

     

    Did anyone come up with an easy way to copy and paste the item (and with photo even) into the forum so as in this case(today) and in six months it is possible to see what it was. I asked about this some time back but maybe missed the answer.

    rgds

     

     

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    Here. There is at least one more. It's an obvious scam.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wheatstone-3-row-Ang...A1%7C240%3A1318

  5. I have been reading the thread about session snobbery with interest. I have been attending a weekly session at the local pub since beginning to learn English Concertina. What are your top tips for a beginner trying to break into session playing. The session in question is very welcoming and I was invited to play at an early stage in my development. I played Jenny Jones, badly, and was rewarded with warm applause for my solo effort. One big problem is that I cannot hear what I am playing over the sound of the other instruments so how is it done and what your recommendations?

     

    Wally

    Sounds like you are a brilliant player compared with my useless efforts.

    On the right hand, to disguise my incompetence, I keep stum to begin with while I listen to the mob and pick out individual notes which repeat as the tune goes along. I discreetly find a matching one on my box and when the mob plays that note I hit the one button. easy squeezy!

     

    On the left hand I listen to the tune with my three fingers on a potential chord (see various tutor books for list of chord fingering). Once I have found a chord which matches the experts, when it next comes I press the threee buttons and bingo I look and sound as though I am in the swing and I get to practice chords for free...

     

    It particularly fools the audience, even more so if you occasioanlly hold your ear down to the box (as recommened elsewhere) to show how sophisticated and sensitive you are in merging and meshing with the group particularly when it comes to the finale and you have nailed a three-button chord which you resonate out in tune with the experts' final flourishes!

    I am getting quite good at the only three chords I know and the virtuoso element (for the punters in the audience)is taken caren of as I "apparently" fling my box around and move my fingers

     

    So I get to make enough noise to hear myself without upsetting the squeeze cart:P

  6. What's the current thinking on recording concertinas please?

     

    Are large diaphragm studio mics a good way to go? And what should the distance from the box be? Are there any other bits of useful techniquery here that a chap should know?

     

    If you know the answers I'd love to hear from you please!

     

    Thanks,

     

    Gav

    Zoom H2 Digital Recorder

     

    It may be worth looking (we did a lot of research) at the following very small mike unit which needs no mains and records direct to SD card (as in camera say up to 4GB which is several hours hiqual), so recording can be downloaded later straight into the computer for editing.

     

    The H2 model for some reason has more options than the H4 which have never understood.

     

    As H2 has four mikes for 360 degree sound (sound bouncing off certain walls can improve or worsen the overall recording effect quality) as well as uni-directional possibilties.

     

    It is good for closeup work and it can be used with groups and in halls etc etc (stick it in the middle) and is used by some professional musicians (including flute and hurdy gurdy and fiddle and pipe groups with folk singers ) to record concerts for later CD sales.

     

    Our is used mainly for radio broadcast (recording presenter's input at 'this' end direct to the computer via USB cable from the H2 -- instead of using the SD card) while computer then pulls in other remote voices/sounds via Skype etc. for recording.

     

    H2 is not cheap but nor is the slightly smaller Sony electret condenser professional stereo mike (it does not record like H2, only picks up sound) which has 360 and 90 degree pickup as well as full and reduced sensitivity if you want to cut out other noises near you (like tapping feet!) is still a benchmark after 20 years or more - I think the latest configuration is ECM-MS957 and it costs from 140 to 230 quid depending on ....

    Even the older model (which is good for life so secondhand can be interesting) cost about 90 quid a decade ago. I dont have that model number to hand.

     

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  7. Don't forget to be very vigilant when it comes to scams and payments (especially checks!). Here's a site member's experience:

     

    http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...entry7143

     

    SCAMS EBAY ID THEFT AND PSEUDONYMS

    See link below for just happened ID theft and other similar.

    It is also indicates why pseudonyms may be useful for making like difficult for scamsters.

    I cannot find the CNET link for the discussion on pseudonyms about a month ago -- I thought it too complicated to rehearse all the security argumenets in favour -- but my comments would have been similar to some of those in this link below.

    BTW there are a number of bike patrol policemen who are members of the my-mc forum so they are not unaware of what crooks get up to -- and can still be victims.

     

    http://www.my-mc.com/messages/13427/112060.html?1235126678

  8. Regarding the phishing caution- I just went to the paypalsucks.com site with no problem. My Mac is generally very useful in detecting fraudulent sites. I also went to merchantinc.com with no problem- via a link that was on the previous site.

     

    Let's hope that the nefarious Paypal doesn't have gremlins wandering over the net, interfering with our surfing.

     

    It may well be a PC (Personal Concertina)XP thing for AVG Anti Virus. As we all know, MacCann [sic] players don't usually get viral attacks unless they are playing both ends against the middle in a duet with XP for Mac.....

    But will keep away from it anyway.

     

    Another ebay scam doing the rounds is fredericc233(just google frederic233 ebay to see dangers listed) who claims to be waiting for payment for an ebay numbered item and one is very tempted to click but in fact it is a very detailed phish. DONT click and watch out for similar.

  9. Ok..I did a search of the forum for stuff on handstraps (totaly confused too many to read through)

    I'm still not quite sure how tight they should be. But I find the last notch it too tight and the next one up too loose. And it kinda rubs a bit so I had a brainwave. Fingerless gloves. Makes my hand for the straps and stops it chaifing. :)

     

    anyway other question. Would you say having long nails an advantage or disadvantage in reaching the buttons?

     

    Some good stuff from this guy somewhere in Sweden on youtube

     

    Here is an earlier reference (but there are more by him on youtube - someone also mentioned putting a little bit of foam sponge around the strap (tho that was partly to swap users where one had smaller hands but sponge avoided moving strap holes up and down.

     

     

     

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    Looks like this video was just posted on You Tube. Discusses English and Anglo straps and wrist supports.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEPTosZ44g&NR=1

     

    Yvonne

     

     

    Also look at shoulder straps to reduce need to 'hold' the box: see Pauline de Snoo of the Int Concertina Assoc at

  10. Neat!

     

    Chris

    HOW DO I

     

    Righteeho - message coming through loud and strong.

     

    With reference to all the above points.

     

    The complexity of the options just spelt out (IMHO) is a good indicator of what a mountain the newbie has to climb - there is an implicit assumption of knowledge already known to the newbie which is not the case.

     

    I was not talking about googling from within any of the sites.

     

    I was talking about starting from the main google search page and getting better search results than searching within the sites.

     

    The basic question I was asking was whether one should label useful tips with HOW DO I (or equivalent) ...... then the detail which would lead to the answer. That would produce a growing number of HOW DO Is..... cutting away the need to read through hundreds of entries to find the relevant one.

     

    The rest of my comments were examples of why I thought this and suggestions of why I wondered if one could graft on (not radical departure) a simple word string which would help the uninitiated... it would have helped me I am sure in the not too distant past.

     

    Not to worry! This bellows is running out of breath and has to run anyway.

     

    Keep up the good work all!.

  11. For example - try to find out HOW DO I REMOVE a reed pan.

    Well, in the section of the FAQ called Repair Techniques it says (and has said since version 1.0):-

     

    The pan is not normally screwed in and can be removed by careful pulling with one finger hooked through the centre hole. Make sure before you remove it that you know which way round it must be to go back in! (Frequently matching numbers are stamped into the reed pan and frame to help with this).

    I'm not sure of what else there is to say on this. Nevertheless I have not yet fully read through your post and I will have a good think about the issues you raise.

     

    In the introduction to the FAQ I say:-

     

    It is not a true FAQ in that it is not in question-and-answer format, but I have never found that a conducive form in which to write

     

    This is why the FAQ is the shape it is.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Chris

    For example - try to find out HOW DO I REMOVE a reed pan.

    Well, in the section of the FAQ called Repair Techniques it says (and has said since version 1.0):-

     

    The pan is not normally screwed in and can be removed by careful pulling with one finger hooked through the centre hole. Make sure before you remove it that you know which way round it must be to go back in! (Frequently matching numbers are stamped into the reed pan and frame to help with this).

    I'm not sure of what else there is to say on this. Nevertheless I have not yet fully read through your post and I will have a good think about the issues you raise.

     

    In the introduction to the FAQ I say:-

     

    It is not a true FAQ in that it is not in question-and-answer format, but I have never found that a conducive form in which to write

     

    This is why the FAQ is the shape it is.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Chris

     

    HOW DO you do it!

    Do not underrate how much I rate the mammoth task which your sorting FAQs represents - only a mad genius would be ready to tackle such a mountain but along with Einstein would say "if you want to achieve the impossible you must attempt the absurd".

     

    Compliments paid, now more practicals.

     

    The search function is the key which does not always unlock the door

     

    - so, I have just put an exact phrase from your quote above:

     

    can be removed by careful pulling with one finger

     

    into the search top right of start page:

     

    I get the following:

    > Board Message

     

    Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help files for more information.

    The error returned was:

     

     

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    I then logged in and searched from the search box above your message with the same phrase:

     

    and got:

     

    Concertina.net Merchandise

     

    > Board Message

     

    Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help files for more information.

    The error returned was:

     

    One or all of your search keywords were below 3 characters or you searched for words which are not allowed, such as 'html', 'img', etc, please go back and increase the length of these search keywords or choose different keywords.

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    I then typed in the word "pan" (this is assuming I have understood at my newbie stage what the name of that wooden thing, which I have only seen in pictures, is.

     

    the result:

     

    Unfortunately your search didn't return any results.

    Try broadening the search parameters by searching by different keywords or altering the format of your search.

    Remember to use the wildcard '*' to increase the number of matches. Apple* will match 'apple' and 'apples'.

     

    Search Again?

     

     

    If you notice in your answer referred to above the word pan occurs on its own in the first para and then in the end part of the answer we get "reed pan". Notice that pan is a three-letter word and that conflicts with the search paramater instructions above.

     

    I do not know how the search function works on most indices -- I just use 'em but there is some tweaking do be done here or a lot of your hard spent new effort may be undermined by the search function.

     

    If I google reedpan it tries to offer me reedman but its first two finds of a couple of hundred thousand from outerspace are

     

    Did you mean: reedman

    Search Results

     

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    Tour of the reedpan

    Also, you should realize that the other side of the reed pan, while it does not have the partitions and center doughnut, it does have alternate reeds for ...

    www.d-and-d.com/tinas/reedpan.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages

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    Slot through reed pan. For reed on other side. Reed Chamber Partitions ... English Concertina Reed Pan. Serial #/Assy #. Location. "L" or "R" to ...

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    I then do reed pan:

     

    and bingo i find the Timson answer right at the top !-- but I should not need to go to Google to find it (if u see what I mean) bearing in mind it did the following:

     

    Results 1 - 10 of about 6,780,000 for reed pan. (0.18 seconds)

     

    Now, if I put in remove reed pan: I get back to you through google but by another route:

     

    http://stason.org/TULARC/musical-instrumen...Techniques.html

     

    and then one sees the para, about hooking your finger, is way down the instructions and advice.

     

    My thought at a precise moment is how to I get the thing with the hole out .. yes I see the picture in the Elliott repair book calls it a reed pan (p5). I need to find a specific action so I try to do a specific search (with + + between words)/It is not the moment to read a long section to find something in it.

     

    I hope I do not sound as though I am cavilling - I really think this technical thing has to be tackled and I only wish I knew how to solve it

     

    The principle is relevant to all searches

     

    If I want to shed some light on whether (see one of my earlier failures!) Wheatsones or Lachenals were assembled on Scotland Road and labelled there or Crane Bros and or Sons made their own their then if I put advanced search function Crane+Scotland+Road into the search box I get 14 pages and 1,000 results with the second one relating to Palestine :

     

    14 Pages 1 2 3 > »

    (Search results limited to first 1000)

     

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    If I do cranes (with an s) +Scotland+Road I get 3 pages to go through in the hope that….

     

    Now if I google my first cnet efforts cranes Scotland road has me leaping from gantry to gantry like spider man, so that’s no good

     

    But if add concertina to cranes Scotland road I get an address right at the top of the search – from concertina.com:

     

    Results 1 - 10 of about 2,210 for cranes concertina scotland road. (0.15 seconds

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&a...earch&meta=

    I hope my confusion does not mean it is just me who needs help! As someone I know always says: “My ignorance is my greatest strength” – u just keep asking.

     

    rgds

     

    PS I just had to go through 32 pages of the repair book again to find the word Sellotape again on p19.....it took me three readings to dig it out last time to find it. But I had only circled it and not put in my own home made index. Oh for an index. (cheap way is to do a complete alphabetical sort of a Word document and then go through knocking out the prepositions and etc etc and you end up with a word list and page reference. Dave's tip really works smoothly... go seatch for it....!

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    Hi all,

     

    As the FAQ approaches its 14th birthday on February 11th I have embarked on a long overdue rewrite. Much has changed in the intervening years. For one thing the FAQ as it was then grew out of the concerns of the newgroup rec.music.makers.squeezebox. Now I spend my time here (along, it seems, with a high percentage of the world's tina players) the FAQ should have more to say about the concerns of this forum.

    .....

     

    HOW DO I..................

     

    This is such a rich and diverse site that newbies such as myself could benefit during the FAQ upgrade from a series of simple lines such as HOW DO I..

     

    Fresh eyes are perhaps the ones to ask to come up with those questions and appropriate answers can be attached. I have to say after a little time I am already becoming blind to the obvious questions myself.

     

    It is difficult to think like old hands when you are new and only have the search engine. You have to know the answer in order to know where to look. “Why did the concertina cross the road?” Now it is obvious but wasn’t before. “Because it saw a very tasty Crabb between two silver dishes with a slice of Ray Mears Wheatstone-ground bread made in a reed pan it thought ‘I must have some of that!”

     

    For example - try to find out HOW DO I REMOVE a reed pan.

     

    I spent more than half a day going through the various threads while I stared at the reed pan which clearly had some hidden screws in place, probably under that stuff ( yes, I know now it was chamois) around the lip. I had pretty well decided I would have to cut through the stuff (chamois) to find the retaining screw whatever it was underneath. Then I spotted someone reporting a near heart attack when a certain Mr Crabb grabbed hold of the hole in the middle (but which hole as I was still looking at levers) and just whipped it out and then started twanging away at a reed.....

     

    I then stuck my finger through the hole, jiggled very carefully and wow! it began to move. By this time I had forgotten a note somewhere else saying put a pencil mark so that you remember which way in and out.......

     

    Please remember newcomers such as myself will be embarrassed to ask simple questions not just because someone will say 'search' the site, but also because one does not want to presume on the kindness of people one does not know, if one understands what one means!

     

    So - this could be a chance to have such a simple search. FAQs would come up in the general run of things after you put in HOW Do I, (you could of course put all the How dos ALSO into a Newbie section too - for looking at -- without being “interactive” questions and answers and no “commenting on function”.

     

    It would help even more to have a photo and even better a youtube - I know this takes time but maybe the newbies could help? Indeed I have been taking the odd photo for just such a purpose.

     

    For example while I was transfixed by the reedpan I actually thought I would have to cut open the leather (well, rexine in my case) to get at the wood underneath where the bellows was attached to the hexagonal wood “thingy” in order to get the pan out. I searched youtube and stumbled upon this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIpE38VoY08 which did not help at that precise moment but it taught me something about bellows management!

     

    If there is an answer somewhere already then a phrase or word which will take you straight to that this could be added in the response to the FAQ. That would perhaps reduce the amount of new entries. But you need to know the site v well to add those words – just adding ‘bolt, or stuck bolt’ may not work == so those references need to be done by the experts(of whom there are many and helpful ones too!).

     

    If I type in “stuck bolt” I get three pages (I don’t know how many entries and most look as though they are not connected to my problem.

     

    http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...e=%2Bstuck+bolt

     

     

    If I do jammed bolt then I get Lark Rise to Candleford plus ….

     

    http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...=%2Bjammed+bolt

     

    The search box on the home page does not seem to offer an advanced search function. The one after fora opens up does but it is buried a little out of sight (just call it advanced search not further search options) for newbies whereas they may be used to seeing it well up front under Google advanced search (or yahoo or whatever).

     

    Anyway if I put in stuck+bolt it don’t seem to deliver:

     

    http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...te=stuck%2Bbolt

     

     

     

    Further (I did buy the repair book which is great but alas it does not have a really detailed index at the back) so I searched cnet and then went through the book another half a dozen times to find the trick with the Sellotape…. (Durex would be the equivalent brand name known to our Australian brethren)Do you know what I am talking about? Sealing cracks ….)

     

    So,

    Maybe after one has taken Tim’s advice (under How do I choose/buy a ... (and bought a Chinese Jeffleys silver ended, gold button with thumb and wrist straps, plus gold reeds, gold plated springs and levers inside) the repair and construction FAQs could start when a) you drag the tina out of the box and rip the bellows... then b)preparing a cardboard box to sit the tina in, c) then screwdrivers with plastic tube over the ends, then jammed bolts (newbies don’t know they are bolts with receiving nuts under the chamois, coz they look like screws), and then a drilled out pencil holder with holes to take the screws/bolts in the right order, then soldering iron to heat jammed bolts, then thumbstrap screws to get at the inside when all the bolts are out but still the English wood end won’t come off then do the pinkie screw holders have to come out too.. all basic questions which newbies may not find so easily but who will be eternally grateful for a direct hit on a simple answer.

     

    There could even be some lateral thinking:

     

    How do I find leather strips to replace those missing (in tinaspeak “curling valves can be DLeesed but “Theo”logy’s 11th commandment is Thou shalt not put valves on high (little) reeds (metal strips) as the Lord did not put them there in the first place!

     

    For the newer newbies that is a reference to discussion all over the place about missing valves for the higher notes (made by the shorted metal reeds) and Theo Gibb of The Box Place. And, although it may be because I am suffering from incipient cataracts, it takes a really long time to understand what people are talking about when they discuss the reeds seating nicely – they have two big screws on them surely – they are tight so they must be ok – it is only when much later you realise that those little metal things are shoved into a tight fitting slot horizontally and the slot is specially shaped so they do not pop up – but could slide out……… dim, in’t I!

     

    Thanks for your patience.

     

    ps Being a little forgetful in the short-memory stakes I often forget to logout. So I find I am still logged in a few days later. I am a bit paranoid about worms and spybots getting into sites loooking for names and contact details for home burglary (not just pseudonyms) and etc. so I wonder whether it might be safer if the site tripped a logout automatically when dumbos like me close the URL or switch off?) I probably forget because that is usually what happens on other sites we use when we turn off the comms to the Web.

  13. Don't forget to be very vigilant when it comes to scams and payments (especially checks!). Here's a site member's experience:

     

    http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...entry7143

     

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    When I offer something on Ebay I often offer to pay basic shipping fees if payment is made via wire transfer or cashiers draft. You can generally suss out whether a transaction will be safe. In any case, Paypal isn't always as safe as they'd like you to believe. For Paypal to refund fees in the case of an unhappy event the seller would have to have funds in his account sufficient to cover the amount of the sale.

     

     

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  14. Paypal has many critics. Here is one of the most vocal.

     

    When I offer something on Ebay I often offer to pay basic shipping fees if payment is made via wire transfer or cashiers draft. You can generally suss out whether a transaction will be safe. In any case, Paypal isn't always as safe as they'd like you to believe. For Paypal to refund fees in the case of an unhappy event the seller would have to have funds in his account sufficient to cover the amount of the sale.

     

    Whoops - that link to critic of paypal produced a phishing warning

     

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  15. I posted three YouTubes of my recently acquired Æola Baritone last night & this evening.

    So for anyone here, who is interested in the sound of the Bigger Beasties, here they are .... warts an' all! ;)

     

     

     

     

    I've only had this instrument for less than a month, so, as it's my first Baritone, I'm still in the process of getting to know it & getting used to the bigger reeds.

    Still, I reckon it sounds wonderful, so all work on it is pure pleasure.

     

    Cheers

    Dick

     

    Lovely tone, nice glowing fire (at least after u turned the gas up for item two), and a smoking pipe of St Bruno would have made the perfect start for a long evening with a glass of..... But obviously the dogs do not agree... clearly not just tone deaf but stone deaf - are they from Staffordshire? Or perhaps they are committed supporters of The Dog Rose sound and John Kirkpatrick....

    http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zier...sheepskins.html

  16. Lawrence you seem to imply that this thread sees paying a lot for a concertina in a negative way. I don't think that was the intention. It's just a matter of curiosity, how much are people willing to pay for a concertina. The idea of a price being too high is very objective that's for sure. Since I received my Dipper I don't care about any other concertina in the universe and would never sell the Dipper at any price, but I still find discussions like these interesting. US$12 000 was like CAN$16 000 a few years back, it's a very impressive number.

     

    I know this is about highest ever, but to throw two pennorth into the discussion, it may be interesting to evaluate on price per button not just top total sale cost.

     

    It seems one well known maker suggests that when ordering a top custom tina you should work on the basis of around 100 quid (sorry UK pounds, not a plug of tobacco...) per button.

     

    Here's a Canadian (hope its not one of those being discussed) 30 button Wheatstone which is from English speaking Toronto with a notice part in French and for sale in US dollars at 3250 (and at the pound flirting around parity that could endd up more than 100 quid per button).

     

    http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Quality-Wheatstone...%3A1|240%3A1318

     

    This one may also work out dearer than 100 per button if not already discussed:

    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wheatstone-Linota-4...%3A1|240%3A1318

     

    All the Wheatstone dating registers may be thrown into confusion when you see the Combine Harvester button box which Charles II

     

    http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/p...=5&role=sit

     

    not only played a but at 100 quid per button this would surely rank as one of the most expensive ever made/bought/sold... It was only when I saw the picture I realised the sound (I can be quite deaf to tones) was coming from .... an e-box, named appropriatelely after La Chanson de Roland, so he was also way ahead of his time.

    Turn away if you do not want to know the score immediately...

     

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9jfJJOdWsAQ&...feature=related

  17. Lawrence you seem to imply that this thread sees paying a lot for a concertina in a negative way. I don't think that was the intention. It's just a matter of curiosity, how much are people willing to pay for a concertina. The idea of a price being too high is very objective that's for sure. Since I received my Dipper I don't care about any other concertina in the universe and would never sell the Dipper at any price, but I still find discussions like these interesting. US$12 000 was like CAN$16 000 a few years back, it's a very impressive number.

     

    I know this is about highest ever, but to throw two pennorth into the discussion, it may be interesting to evaluate on price per button not just top total sale cost.

     

    It seems one well known maker suggests that when ordering a top custom tina you should work on the basis of around 100 quid (sorry UK pounds, not a plug of tobacco...) per button.

     

    Here's a Canadian (hope its not one of those being discussed) 30 button Wheatstone which is from English speaking Toronto with a notice part in French and for sale in US dollars at 3250 (and at the pound flirting around parity that could endd up more than 100 quid per button).

     

    http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Quality-Wheatstone...%3A1|240%3A1318

     

    This one may also work out dearer than 100 per button if not already discussed:

    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wheatstone-Linota-4...%3A1|240%3A1318

  18. Just on a side issue, I recently asked a skype expert whether the conference facility could be used for a world record sound squeezathon (and the webcam facility could be useful for maybe later a little YouTube concertina promotion for the most concertinas playing on line at the same time.

     

    The maximum Skype conference call allows 24 “callers” which of course could be 24 tina groups with ‘X’ nos. of concertinas in each group.

     

    But to get really big the technical question to be tackled is, whether each of 23 of the caller tina groups could each have another 23 conference “callers” etc etc. The numbers get quite big.

     

    I am initially told the second stage would probably not work at the moment, but perhaps some of our tecchies may have a solution lurking somewhere.

  19. Apologies this is in general section but it covers a few areas so perhaps someone can decide and kick into one (or 'out' if it is irrelevant).

     

    It was stimulated by the debate about virtuosity and problem of finding stuff for the virtuose and virtuosi, particularly the young as well as the older. Also with reference to older recordings....

     

    PROS

    I dug in the British Library (BL) integrated catalogue [ http://www.bl.uk/ ]and immediately stumbled on :

     

    Author - personal LinkDipple, Thomas J.

    Title Link12 Operatic Solos for the Concertina arranged by T. J. Dipple.

    Publisher/year LinkLondon : R. Chidley, [1858]

    Physical descr. 12 nos ; fol.

    Added name LinkBellini, Vincenzo, 1801-1835.

    Holdings (All) Details

    Shelfmark h.2337.(3.) Request

     

    "Concertina" brought up some 800 references (who knows how many are musical...although the Lucrezia Borgia must be, so watch out for thumbscrews torture -- (Airs from ... Lucrezia Borgia, arranged for the Concertina, with an Accompaniment for the Piano Forte by R. Blagrove, 1850)

     

    And there are plenty more......

     

    The BL also has a growing sound archive which can be listened to in the music collection. Again, I do not know what old recordings might be in there if any.

     

    I occasionally have to make trips to the British Library.

     

    I might be able to carve out a little time to check for something specifc if someone needed.

     

    CONS

    I have not used the Music collection.

     

    I don't have much time. (It can take an hour to several days for a 'paper' item to end up in your hands).

     

    For sound items it seems it can take 2 days to a week to order them up and listening may need an appointment a week or more ahead to get a sound booth.)

     

    There is some external online interactivity for:

    sound [ http://sounds.bl.uk/ ] and a search throws up 3,749 ("concertina") but one I checked was a recent item and only available to listen to in the library, some are radio programmes etc.

    For those with wax in their ears (as per discussion about "who has a cylinder player") I see

     

    Druids' prayer waltz (concertina)

    BLACK AMBEROL 12208

    LIST RECORDINGS: 1CYL0002423

    Principal performer: Prince, Alexander

    Product title: Druids' prayer waltz (concertina)

    Label: BLACK AMBEROL 12208

    Format: cylinder

    Copy condition code: C

     

    Holdings

    PRODUCT Copies Material Location

    1CYL0002423 1 CYLINDER Store

     

    VISUAL BOOKS (posh big ones)

    A quick look at the visual gallery has some pictures of gramophones....no Edeophones and some plain chant visible.

    The visual books section is growing but how much is there I do not know…There is

     

    Mozart's musical diary (With 75 audio excerpts)

     

    I tried to view Lindisfarne Gospels for some Celtic music or Northumbrian pipe plain chant (hum ho) but spent 20 minutes downloading an Adobe Shockwave plug-in for Mozilla which then would not work anyway. Others may have more luck.

     

    Otherwise print catalogue item searches usually only offer the usual reference and type of material and you have to be on the spot to see what is inside.

     

    There is something there:

    Your search for 'wheatstone concertina' returned about 133 results

    Web pages, no results

    Online Gallery images, no results

    Catalogue records, first 5 out of 132 results

    Journal articles, first 1 out of about 1 results

    I did not look at these.

     

    And: Your search for 'lachenal concertina' returned about 2 results

    Web pages, no results

    Online Gallery images, no results

    Catalogue records, first 2 out of 2 results

    Journal articles, no results

     

    I rarely photocopy there because it is (or used to be) the most expensive place per page I know and usually you have to get someone to do it if a paper item is in dodgy condition which takes ever more time. Often quicker to buy the item secondhand on the Web.

     

    There are the usual in-and-out of copyright issues of course / commercial/non-commercial use.

     

    I might not be much good with my quill pen (and that time factor again) if someone wanted me to reproduce differential diagrams on the disposition of Jedcertina keys (or variations in different score notations on a “toon”) as used by visiting Canadian Shanytmen vs. The Scousers Anglo-German Keepkalm Players in the Knacker's Arms pub on the Liverpool Dock Rd on the first Monday of each month for the year 1893.

     

    Of course if you have read this far, you’re probably saying all may be available at the Horniman Museum….

     

    But try me if you think I might occasionally be able to help on the difficult stuff.

  20. The concertina is an odd one too. The Crabb badge looks genuine, but the design of the ends and fretwork pattern look exactly like an early Wheatstone or Lachenal. I wonder if its a Crabb rebuild of an older concertina from one of the other makers.

     

    Does this picture (if I can insert it under manage current attachments or go see http://www.priceofhistoys.com/2006/08/24/r...evw-truck-kit/) reflect the kind of thing behind your thinking Theo?:

     

    The thumbstrap buttons also look very very like Lachenal ones (nickel perhaps?) and also the button layout on a Lach English perhaps...

     

    BTW - it was two days or more, plus a repeat sending of first query, before I received the reply posted at start of this topic.

     

    ATTACHMENT OPENS TOO SMALL - sorry

    and URL picked up my closing bracket -- sorry twice

     

    should be

     

    http://www.priceofhistoys.com/2006/08/24/r...cevw-truck-kit/

  21. The concertina is an odd one too. The Crabb badge looks genuine, but the design of the ends and fretwork pattern look exactly like an early Wheatstone or Lachenal. I wonder if its a Crabb rebuild of an older concertina from one of the other makers.

     

    Does this picture (if I can insert it under manage current attachments or go see http://www.priceofhistoys.com/2006/08/24/r...evw-truck-kit/) reflect the kind of thing behind your thinking Theo?:

     

    The thumbstrap buttons also look very very like Lachenal ones (nickel perhaps?) and also the button layout on a Lach English perhaps...

     

    BTW - it was two days or more, plus a repeat sending of first query, before I received the reply posted at start of this topic.

  22. There can be quite a quality difference in these type of punches. The steel thickness of the handles/frame seems to be the most important factor for longevity, and of course the quality of the punch steels as well.

     

    I would think that if you paid what you did, you probably got a higher quality and as a consequence will be able to produce leather belts for thousands...... :)

    Heading straight for the Calgary stampede for downers!

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