Kautilya
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The sun shineth so 'tis time for Jolly........ Boating weather -
may not be really modern but it is certainly politically correct and absolutely contemporaenously contemporary
:rolleyes: so I got it out of the Cabinet for you: some may say it is OTT but the important thing it is OOC.. so play on..The e-ton boot song:
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You will find me on there and also "Friends of Concertina Internationals"
We have a picture Gallery of 143 Photos some very rare for you to look at and now over 100 members
I will be pleased to see any of you members of Cnet , that care to join.
Al
Don't want to be a killjoy but
:ph34r: - be prudent, be pseudonymous, be anonymous.Five minutes and a serious seeker will track you back to source for ID theft (including using data in Cnet such as your email address, which can then be searched for elswhere,plus using your general location and then add in post code through electoral roles etc etc.
Facebook users revolt against Mark Zuckerberg over privacy ...
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Why would "Fernando" keep me boiling? These midi things are simply not fiinished. The final polish, with sound modulations, should be added. But Abba is one of my favorites. They were superb melodists. A Midi, done by diletant, is like frozen sausage, obviously recognizable, but not there yet. Tell you what, if you haven't listened to so called "Russian Chanson", you don't know whether you have gag reflex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvWP3ztMgfc
Boiling with anger!
But you are so right about Abba and I think the Russian dancers need strangling with those ties
:D I like Bellowbelles list too and here's another Cat Stevens which seems easy in G and also 'emotionally moving' to hark back to another thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hakpGEpl3c
(PS I hope this post is not hidden somewhere in the cnet ether - I wrote it earlier and then think I forgot to post it!)
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Practise, practise, practise - yes, I know, so let's get that out of the way first.
The problem:
Even meisters hit bum notes. Watching John Kirkpatrick (and other Meister/Mätressen) at Swaledale during a work-session he masterfully zipped on with his Anglo with no more than a grunt when he produced a falsie, as he demoed a piece for the class. This raises an important issue for a beginner. He and others have a real skill in bypassing the mistake - an art in itself. How to develop that?
Can the expertini suggest a trick/tactic/psychomove which they have developed and use to ignore the mistake and forge ahead? This is not to do with playing something different from the dots in front of you -- indeed, John made the point that he rarely plays the way he wrote (his own) dots anyway! It is about the bum note blocker.
For the illiteratini the bad note is like a hole in the road, hit by the front wheel of your bike - it not only throws you, it panics you, you grab the brakes or u just come off and everything falls apart....
Part of the problem after the bum note is hitting the correct suqsequent note of course, so holding the tune in the head has its part to play... but that is not enough methinks...
any advice welcome! Tks
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Attached is one of the finest musicians and arranger I know, Rodger French. We met as
Excellent stuff. Particularly loved the prestidigitation in the middle.
Wunderbar! - who said Silver couldn't do rapid inandoutees on an accordion?
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I could not check the videos. It cannot be played outside UK.
Marien
M - seems others have the same problem.
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I disagree; I don't mind
Not sure what you disagree with.
I'm not saying people should be silenced if they are taste challenged, I'm just saying I'll nave no incentive to hang around.
Warning: songs at this link may fright or delight but certainly easy listening for copying. Dirge will naturally be comfortable with number 2 on the list
http://www.eadcentral.com/go/1/1/0/http://home.pacbell.net/ckhuang/HomeofMidis.htm
Perhaps "Fernando" will keep M3838 boiling along at 38 degrees C
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Reading through your interesting posts I wonder if I used the right wording for "Emotion" should it be "Feeling" or is it the same? There seems to be a general agreement that it is a mixture of really knowing the piece of music being played. Possibly drawing on the historical, or emotional points of that music and expressing those points with a mixture of timing and feeling.
I confess to not knowing the answer to it.
The other thing of course is to be able to recognise it when it happens.
Al
Al - There are physical (drum beat) vibration issues here too perhaps as well as how the hearing element for the 'brain' causes you to weep, smile etc . Reaction to Wagner and the helicopter motors/blades in
Apocolypse Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI
more interestingtly see fourth or fifth para from Evlyn Glenny
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All this technical discussion about emotion. I'm reminded of the (apocryphal?) story of the jazzman asked by a middle aged white lady to ask what "swing" means. He replied, "Lady, you gotta ask, you don't got it."
As promised, but you don't gotta read this till after midnight if you are GMT timeish so listen to some Russian music while you read it as they are already past the embargo time:
Do film soundtracks contain non-linear analogues to influence emotion?
When many vertebrates are scared or otherwise aroused, they often produce ‘noisy’
and ‘non-linear’ sounds. We asked whether humans capitalize on this seemingly
widespread vertebrate response by creating non-linear analogues in film soundtracks
to evoke particular emotions. We used lists of highly regarded films to generate a
set of highly ranked action/adventure, dramatic, horror, and war films. We then
scored the presence of a variety of non-linear analogues in these film soundtracks.
We found that films of certain generas selectively enhanced or suppressed noise and
types of acoustic non-linearities. Together, our results suggest that filmmakers
manipulate sounds to create non-linear analogues in order to manipulate our
emotional responses.
Royal Society Biology Letters- Professor Daniel Blumstein, UCLA,
[not sure where those 'generas' originate B)must be a Californaya thing ]
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Just flew within the past couple of days. I had a backpack and my concertinas in a case. Security never asked any questions, just let me through (well except I set off the metal detector). It might be a bit of a pain lugging the concertinas from terminal to terminal, but it definitely eases the mind to know you have them with you.
-Lep
Simple solution - just learn this little tune and, (just as you used to have to press your camera button to show it WAS a camera) whip your instrument out to show em and do your little turn and you will have security dancing in the aisles - here's the appropriate toon, but I hope your box is not quite as big as this fellah's coz I think the box would take HIM as carry-on luggage!
never put cameras tinas compooters in the hold - I know an office group trip who were forced to put their laptops in the plane belly at the start of the one bag only scare and I think something like half a dozen of them 'disappeared' ....
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Having got on pretty well in terms of picking up melodies on the EC, I'm wondering if anyone is 'out there' in the London area who could give me some help making the step-up to chords etc?
PM's gratefully received.
Hugo
You might pop along with your box to the next George Inn Squeeze as there are usually two or three good tina players there who would be happy to give you some tips on chords as well as your playing along and doing some chord practise without anyone complaining about dodgy notes - all very laid back. You can chord along to the melodeons and accordins if they turn up, and the hurdygurdy and pipes...
They may even have some teacher contacts. Tube and bus at London Bridge station about 100 yds or you can find somewhere to park within a few hundred yards (roadworks messing up parking right next to th epub at the moment) as it is after 1830. It will be June 7th - 2000 to 2300 (free entry!)
if u need more instructions pm.
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Where did the instrument come from and what is it?
It's only a wild guess but it may be this concertina. In any event it's a 40 button metal ended Wheatstone C/G.
Despite Derek's Ben protestation it is this one (missing half the buttons, German metal ended with sharp edges to make the finger's bleed) making his playing even more amazing - why bother with 48 buttons when 13 will do?!!!
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[quote name='Anglo-Irishman' date='21 May 2010 - 01:58 PM' timestamp='1274446705'
Long posting - but perhaps it proves that you're not the only one ploughing this furrow!
Cheers,
John
Tks & V interesting, particularly Carolan, as I did not know he went blind, though at much later age than most of the world-class organists that were mentioned earlier (most were born blind or lost their sight as infants).
Certainly be interesting to see what percentage such world-class blind players are of the total of professional organists. In the last 30 years there was a flow of organ students from the UK who went to Norway, as the Lutheran church, being state-funded, had lots of paid organists' jobs empty in town and village churches. I don't know whether that flow continues or not.
Gavoty* is reported to have said of Vierne (who died in 1937) that his music "is and remains pure lyricism, speaking the language of the heart" * He was an organist too, a pupil of Vierne's and one of Dupre's star students, later music critic of Le Figaro and member of the Fine Arts Academy.
Speed the plough! and would be interesting to have some more insights.
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Looks like there are two meanings of "playing with emotion.
One meaning is to express emotion through the music.
The other is to get emotional while playing.
There is at least one more meaning: elicit emotion in the audience. One does not necessarily need to feel the emotion to bring it out in the listener. A parallel would be the difference between "method acting" and "craft acting"
ocd
"elicit emotion in the audience" - and get recalled by the landlord as your gig increases drink sales among the listeners.... Some relevant stuff coming up but embargoed till May 26 - watch this film track space!
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There may also be some learning tips for the sighted here in the sense that Another thought is this: blind ear learners can develop into great musicians with just as much "ease" as sighted ones, but to become academic classically trained musician takes lots of usage of the eyesight*.
And finally
f. It would be really raising the level of conversation, if presenting such heart wrenching topics, we abstain from ridiculous Hollywood imagery.
Well... that struck a dis-chord eh?!
:blink: Putting Alan Rickman and Hollywood lightly (as was intended)to one side, a few further thoughts:"but to become academic classically trained musician takes lots of usage of the eyesight"*
* Not so sure about this : e.g. Vierne, Jean Langlais,or see Gaston Litaize at
http://www.musimem.com/INJA.htm and André Marchal, Georges Schott, Dominique Levacque, Joséphine Boulay
Some of them were pupils of Franck; and Widor, (here's the man himself playing that toccata and he was a great supporter of the National Institute for the Young Blind where most of the above studied. A certain Louis Braille, who went blind at three, was a pupil at the institute, and not only became an organist but developed his reading system, and not only for text but also musical notation)
ps - not really interested in developing a ding-dong con-cer-frontation here, but a discussion to see if there is something that may not only help with learning but musical expression. So, if folk think this is a dead end thread,nema problema, I shall happily continue, as before, to plough this furrow on my ownio,
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This springs from Alan and Chris' thoughts and the responses.
I have been interested for a long time in the possibility that blind musicians have something extra. Without boring you with how I know, Andrea Bocelli thinks perhaps he has what one might call a seventh sense which gives him that something extra.
This link below and its reference to music being "..particularly important as a source of comfort, helping them [blind children] to relax and express their emotions", is an interesting development.
While a bit p'ed off that someone has got ahead of me on the formal research front
:ph34r: , I am delighted thst Prof. Ockelford at the Institute of Education confirms what many of us thought already; and confirms further of course the importance of music's power to bring the talent of autistic children out into the world so the painfully average of us can enjoy their various often stupendous gifts.There may also be some learning tips for the sighted here in the sense that learning to play a tune by ear basically means not physically "looking at" the dots but 'registering' the 'colours' and the patterns of the sound in the brain. Greensleeves, for example, conjures up in my mind the lush rolling sward and the forest of Robin Hood (Hollywood style of course without the brutality of serfdom and Alan Rickman as Sheriff,Notts. County, or Severus Snape in Potter). Thoughts anyone?
if interested in more, go see: The Guardian May 18 2010 p 5 Education
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/may/18/musical-talent-link-with-blindness
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My tyopong is attrorcious and when I do a search and hit return and the mispelling shoots off and fails, I have to wait 20 seconds before I try again. I usually give up as by the time a new opportunity comes up I will have forgotten what I was searchng for.
Same with PMs. I am not sure how the flood control stops spammers but I wonder if we could reduce it to five seconds or less. Mind you, the 20 second delay this time meant I had time to write this moan.
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I just had to share this great exercise for any singers or tune composers out there.
What ornamentation practice in the Indo-Europen tradition
great!
Lata Mangeshkar, known as the Nightingale of India singing Rahe Na Rahe Hum - Whether I live or not, I will be all around you, whether in the blossom or the breeze (accordion in the background)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rolxpHaY7yY
Here it is with accordion but no words
She comes in after Raj Kapoor in this next link in a film song (I fell in love and declared my love)which was on UK TV recently about an honest, innocent village chappy who goes to the city and confronts corruption -- if I recall the film is called Char so bis (420) - a common quip to allude to the number of the Indian penal code clause for fraud and corruption.
You may hear a harmonium at work in parts of it.
After hearing Chris Drinkwater's new tunes last night at a very tune-full George Inn session, it later struck me that perhaps they are waiting now for some lyrics.....and perhaps lyrics for tunes of our other composers such as Alan and LDT.
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sounds v Cherbourgy! - Wot box u playing - Anglo (buttons, key ?) English? please.
I only play English
Any dots about? not been able to find any.
ta.
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Attached is the tune I Will Wait For You by Michel LeGrand from the movie The Umbrellas of Cherbourg. It was on TV the other night and I forgot how wonderful a song writer Michel is. This piece is actually in 4/4 time but has a waltz feel to it. Something different for the ump-ah set. A work in progress, still flushing out the chording and some odd notes here and other but would appreciate some input.
rss
sounds v Cherbourgy! - Wot box u playing - Anglo (buttons, key ?) English? please.
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Just out of interest I googled the address, and it seems that 174 Fleet Street was not a good place to be resident as a trader in the 19th century. I came up with two entries from the London Gazette. The earliest dated was for 1863, and recorded the bankruptcy case of Percival Watts, "No. 174, Fleet-street,
I bet he was putting out scam adverts in the penny dreadfuls offering the same instrument for sale in Aviemore and Land's End but the Peelers caught up with him. That law official sounds a bit dodgy too - r sure he was not running some scam racket from Lagos, with a name like Hattou Hamer-Stansfeld.
As for that excellent discursive about the hacks, interesting to know that by 1965 the precursor of multi-address, computerised email (well before the later Berners-Lee Web incarnation) was operating at No 85, Fleet St Hack Central through a machine know as The ADX (address switching computer). The musical connection is that one of the operators inputting words and addresses (without a screen!) earned a reputation as a virtuoso fingering soloist. Bespectacled, he attacked the "deep-drop" keys on the keyboard, hair and arms flailing and, yes, "phrasing" with his head and shoulders as though he was playing the Rach 2. If he thought he had made a mistake he had to go back and check it by reading the dots (holes) on a punched computer tape....
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Just my ironic sense of humour you two.
Carrying things for strangers can get you into trouble, ask any drug mule.
as Cicero said 'If we are not ashamed to think it we should not be ashamed to say it.' Surely I wasn't alone in seeing the potential risk and seeing the black joke. Frankie Boyle comes from up there, he'd see the comic potential in the request and be paid good money as a standup.
I though tit was superior taste considering it came from someone in a town such as Sheffchester where they have politically incorrect football clubs called Man United and Man City but the repartee just wouldn't come at that moment
:D BTW who's Cicero? It's not the philosophical Mancunian dog who lived in an empty beer barrel is it? Please keep away from such as it could do terrible things to your voice and playing after emptying the barrel:lol:
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Then you attempt to fly to Dubai eh? Why do you people hate concertina players so much?
I'll have to ponder that one! Is its meaning hidden in a cloud of ash?
Modern popular songs that sound good on concertina?
in Tunes /Songs
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This any good?
The Simplified Fake Book: 100 Songs in the Key of "C"
by Hal Leonard Publishi
http://www.powells.com/biblio?isbn=9780634026553
anyone seen it in the UK?
seems there are loads of 'fake' books for country music, classical, church etc in "C"
tks