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  1. Maybe the pollster demanders should do a poll - I can't/ don't know how - that would be more difficult for me than writing out an ABC lettergram. (I don't do em, I just lov usin em. :D )

     

    The forum help about setting a poll up is here http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=help&do=01&HID=21&hl=poll - and quite frankly yes I think I'd find it quicker to type an abc tune out that to do all that, especially as your posting-click based system seems to have produced some interesting results already. I'm mildly surprised it's as high as 912 / 100 in favour of the sight-readers, given the content discussions on the subject here and elsewhere, but that's what the evidence says!

    Ta.

     

    Definitely some devilish forces at work here - the Orcs (Open Reed Compositors by Sight), if it is they, are on overtime for Saruman and are now up overnight from 912

    to

    1172 Views..........

     

    unless it is someone with the DTs (Danish tremens)who has got his finger on the reply key!

     

    Where are you Gandalf....!?

    Maybe this could do with some tina playing(as in old silent movie piano accompaniment...

     

    And that gives me an excuse to say there is no tina utube version (even from New Zealand, hint hint, squeeze squeeze) of

    Concerning Hobbits/In Dreams. I seem to remember having trouble finding an ABC for keyed flageolet for that, tho I now find a rather unappealing one for grand piano.

     

    http://www.thefatlute.com/viewsong.aspx?songid=1660

     

    The gifted might find pleasure playing along to this chappie, but see how he has to switch instruments to get the full range

     

    This school certainly knows how to do it all, though no tina again..........

     

     

    plain piano

     

    BTW what key is it?

    Now at 2079 for yes I do sight read - must be a combined Superbowl, Wembley and Iduna Park choirs voting now....... B)

  2. takes his squeezebox and sings her a song

    of the life and the fun

    Hi, Rüdiger,

    As to "life," I entirely agree with your footnote!

    I'm not too happy about "his squeezebox," though. A terminal "s" followed by an initial "s" are damned difficult to sing cleanly without sounding stilted.

     

    .......I don't even call my concertina a "tina" -

     

    Perhaps I was thinking more of him squeezing the bellows of the 'Tina' in the lifeboat.............. :P

  3. Maybe the pollster demanders should do a poll - I can't/ don't know how - that would be more difficult for me than writing out an ABC lettergram. (I don't do em, I just lov usin em. :D )

     

    The forum help about setting a poll up is here http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=help&do=01&HID=21&hl=poll - and quite frankly yes I think I'd find it quicker to type an abc tune out that to do all that, especially as your posting-click based system seems to have produced some interesting results already. I'm mildly surprised it's as high as 912 / 100 in favour of the sight-readers, given the content discussions on the subject here and elsewhere, but that's what the evidence says!

    Ta.

     

    Definitely some devilish forces at work here - the Orcs (Open Reed Compositors by Sight), if it is they, are on overtime for Saruman and are now up overnight from 912

    to

    1172 Views..........

     

    unless it is someone with the DTs (Danish tremens)who has got his finger on the reply key!

     

    Where are you Gandalf....!?

    Maybe this could do with some tina playing(as in old silent movie piano accompaniment...

     

    And that gives me an excuse to say there is no tina utube version (even from New Zealand, hint hint, squeeze squeeze) of

    Concerning Hobbits/In Dreams. I seem to remember having trouble finding an ABC for keyed flageolet for that, tho I now find a rather unappealing one for grand piano.

     

    http://www.thefatlute.com/viewsong.aspx?songid=1660

     

    The gifted might find pleasure playing along to this chappie, but see how he has to switch instruments to get the full range

     

    This school certainly knows how to do it all, though no tina again..........

     

     

    plain piano

     

    BTW what key is it?

  4. Rather early for the weekend but it's Wednesday evening after all so we're more than halfway through the week. Courtesy of Jon from the UK Folk Music Forum here's a grand hornpipe that I've not seen before. It will be a favourite of mine for some time to come!

     

    X:1

    T: Tailor's Twist, The

    M: 4/4

    L: 1/8

    Q:1/4=140

    R: hornpipe

    K:Dmaj

    |:FE|DA, FD AF dA|Bg ed cb ag|fe dc Bg ed|(3cdc (3BcB (3ABA (3GFE|

    DA, FD AF dA|Bg ed cb ag|fe dc Bg ec|d/c/d dc d2:|

    |:fg|a3f df af|ba gf eA ce|g3e cd ef|(3gag (3fgf eg fe|

    df ec dD FA|B/A/B ed cb ag|fe dc Bg ec|d/c/d dc d2:|

    Great - nine seconds from here to ABC convertomatic to listening to the midi and simultaneously saving the dots!

    Learning it may take a little longer

    B)

  5. Where were we?

     

    Well, last seen you were in the High Peak. I presume that's Derbyshire. ;) Dirge is in the Antipodes I believe, although, as I understand it he's a native Brit originally. You're a folky, Dirge seems to like pretty much anything other than folk which is fair enough as it largely reflects the views of the majority of people on the planet today. Charles Wheatstone was well known for being at the cutting edge of technology in his day. That's the legacy point where you start to converse ...

     

    Pete

    While you lot are wandering around like sheep on Kinder Scout or the green pastures of New Zealand the sight-reading Orcs of the Great Eye (more friendly to Dirge than he might be prepared to admit!)iin Mordor at Mt. Ruapehu NZ, have been at work and suddenly the ABC yea or neh, which was running more or less evenly and had got to about 90 vs 95 has leapt

     

    I do sight read easily....

    912 Views

     

    Nov 22 2011 12:44 PM

     

     

    I do NOT sight read easily

     

    1 Reply

    100 Views

     

    Maybe the pollster demanders should do a poll - I can't/ don't know how - that would be more difficult for me than writing out an ABC lettergram. (I don't do em, I just lov usin em. :D )

  6. Kautila,

    I wasn't remotely aware of your previous posting about Bryanclocks and his good works, most admirable, I might say....maybe that is why he won't ship internationally, to keep the price down? At this time,(with the clock ticking), the price is only up to 175 lbs., which I am surprised at, but there are still five hours to go....I might have to eat my hat, or, my lachenal, or at the very least, my words! Anyway, on to your other situation, or should I mention it elsewhere?

    One thing that I am aware of to bring musical instruments to young people who may not be able to afford them is the music clearinghouse department of the Joe "Banjo" Burke festival/committee,

    http://joebanjoburke.org/gpage5.html

    They accept instruments for donation, and people looking for instruments can contact them saying they are in need of one....Father Charlie Coen, one of America's great Irish Concertina players, has donated several instruments to this cause...Handing out cheap harmonicas is nice, and I myself over the years have handed out many tin whistles to children who were interested...and the same goes, wondering what the parents thought of it.???

    Over the last 25-30 years, home made, accoustic music in all forms has been steadily growing in interest and participation, as evidenced by the dozens, if not hundreds, of new musical instrument makers, from guitars, whistles, and banjo's, all the way through to concertinas, this last 30 years has been a great renaissance for accoustic music and the instruments that make it. One thing I noticed back in the 80's was that Elderly Instruments in Lansing, Michigan, USA, has been promoting ukeleles as the "up and coming thing", or, the "new revival instrument", or something to that effect for many years. And what has happened(not necessarily because of them, but, it has happened!) is that right now there is a big resurgence in interest in the ukelele, with lots of people making, selling, and I suppose, playing them, which is a good thing...The same needs to be done for

    the concertina. Great Britain has a ukelele orchestra, and they made a really cool recording of the theme song of "the good, the bad, and the Ugly"

    Couldn't something similar be done with/for, the concertina? It would be a smash, and it would get people's interests going...something to think about, eh? Anyway, hope all is well, take care,

    Don

     

    PS-I apologize for any spelling errors, it is late, and there is something wrong with the spell check!(or, maybe me!)

    nema problema!

    " It would be a smash, and it would get people's interests going...something to think about, eh? ............"

     

    Duets at dawn! On the step's of St Paul's with a massed band of seconds with Mcannons, Anglos, English etc.

     

    Just recently - George Formby and the Uke.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016fpz0

  7. and yet another iteration, affecting only the first three stanzas (I feel I can't improve John's half) - again, just a suggestion, all up to debate:

     

    takes his squeezebox and sings her a song

    of the life and the fun *

     

    * I felt that warmth and sun is sort of redundant, which is why I replaced warmth with life - just like in a short story, words in song lyrics should imho be carefully chosen to express as many relevant ideas as possible as concisely as possible, and "life" in this context adds more connotations. But maybe other people feel different about it which is fine.

     

     

     

    Hi, Rüdiger,

    As to "life," I entirely agree with your footnote!

    I'm not too happy about "his squeezebox," though. A terminal "s" followed by an initial "s" are damned difficult to sing cleanly without sounding stilted. So I'd leave it at "'tina", although the non-concertina-playing public would probably be more familiar with "squeezebox." Classical case of "Zwickmühle!"

     

    if she wanted to see kangaroos

    ...body and booze.

    I like this. The whole joke hinges on the contrast between the expected long voyage to the Antipodes and the short, repeated ferry trip that was actually made, and I felt that Australia hadn't been firmly enough established in the first draft. And Kautilya wasn't happy with tea, either. Good solution!

     

    BTW, the arrangement is working out nicely on the Crane. I'll soon have it in a fit state for recording!

     

    Cheers,

    John

    Such refined tweaking -

    Booze sounds good though toddy has warmth implicit as in hot toddy though, as we all know, we are back on the Sanskrit trail again and those palm-fringed beaches and cocktails of the Indies (Kerala and Caribbean).

     

    Toddy (it's actually a hard 'r' prounounced almost like a 'd' is a concoction usually brewed without a licence by locals anywhere there are palm trees.

    courtest World English Dictionary

    toddy (ˈtɒdɪ) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

     

    — n , pl -dies

    1. a drink made from spirits, esp whisky, with hot water, sugar, and usually lemon juice

    2. a. the sap of various palm trees ( toddy or wine palms ), used as a beverage

    b. the liquor prepared from this sap

    3. (in Malaysia) a milky-white sour alcoholic drink made from fermented coconut milk, drunk chiefly by Indians

     

    [C17: from Hindi tārī juice of the palmyra palm, from tār palmyra palm, from Sanskrit tāra, probably of Dravidian origin]

     

    Squeezebox is good in the sense that of course there is a lot of squeezing of the tina's bellows. However the dodgier mind would say it implicitly also goes well with lunch...

     

    I suppose for all these word variants (and may there be many children of this Anglo-Irish-German union), it depends on what tickle's the listener's fancy and whether the performance is in a posh salon or in a low, dark, basement Danish drinking den where they spend the winter tippling on Gammel Dansk (with beer 'chasers') :) .

  8. Valve = Ventil (these little leather things next to the reed)

    air valve = Luftknopf

     

    Christian

    I was told it depends on the power of the bellows x the number of folds.

    Also the more expensive the model the more valves - the well known Italian maker Lamborghinis for example may start with 48 valves. The valve lets the exhaust gas out or shuts the flow of gases as you pull and push spo you get a different noise.

    You can get Chinese Lamborghini valves here

     

    http://www.hydraulic-tools-manufacturers.com/kp-lamborghini-hydraulic-valves-2402.html

     

    or English valves from here:

    http://www.concertina-spares.com/catalogue4.htm#7

     

    and some folk use these (adapted to match old)

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pack-50-Accordion-repair-valves-L-Silver-50x7mm-/270840898982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0f6025a6

     

    or you can go modern with

    vinyl, again match to suit old size thickness

    http://www.cgmmusical.co.uk/index_files/Page3352.html

  9. Just catching up here.

     

    I use ABC offerings coz I am lazy and slow minded.

     

    So thanks to all those who put up the letters as I would not know how too.

     

    I don't read the letters to play of course as they make me feel dicksexlycqueasy.

     

    I just slam em into tuneotron to hear how the toon goes (midi)and save it to my toons folder and then I open pdf and save the dots (with the keyofD keyofC keyofG in the filename alongside the midi, so I know which instrument with the right key to use.

     

    Then when I want to practise I can listen to midi, while I look at the dots to see where it is going.

     

    I have to admit that once I have heard how the melody goes I can play/sing from the dots... but then I have been doing it that way since I was a tot. bad/good habit? No just the way my ear-brain=hand-gob links work.

     

    That said, I really am most impressed by folk like Dirge who can plough straight in, playing from the dots.

     

    BUT.. I also use ABC it to find sound and dots very quickly.

    e.g. I search for

     

    nimrod abcnotation (or just abc) midi

     

    Alas in that case I only get an MP3!!! But do: "lang syne abc midi words lyrics" and you get pots of choice http://www.bing.com/search?q=auld+lang+syne+abc+midi&go=&qs=n&sk=&form=QBRE&filt=all

     

     

    A lady tina player from/at Whitby said she simply finds a tune new to her on youtube and picks it up by listening to it from there in no time at all.

     

    INteresting that stuff from folk like Beethoven are available in ABC. Will investigate.

     

    And I know I already have an excellent sound version of Nimrod....... played by Dirge on tina after a pint or two of excellent Fox Beer ....(he is not averse to folk hearing it but feels it is not his best, so have so far not put it up, but I like it! Any requests?)

     

    The clue to his ability to read SEMI quavers and demis etc must be due to the fact that:

     

    "Many have taught that Semiramus was the wife of Nimrod...."

     

    This is not to suggest that Dirge is "Nimrod: Man, Maniac or Myth? Is this Nimrod with horns [power] and his men. climbing the Ziggurat shooting at the three stars in Heaven?" -- bearing in mind apparently that Nimrod is allegedly derived from 'marad' - rebel.

     

    I do not Dirgress however. To get a more accurate piccy of the usefulness of ABC perhaps one might ask how many of us:

     

    I DO sight read and play easily straight from score without help of sound midi.

     

    I DO NOT sight read easily and like the midi (/mp3/utube)and maybe abc converted dots to get going quickly.

     

    I will put up two posts one for yes and one for no. No need to,indeed don't)answer, just open the relevant post and that will, courtesy of the wonders of Schwarzenomics give us a viewed count which will give a snapshot of those who can and those who can't. :blink:

  10.  

     

    Regarding the government support in France for music studies (and I suppose other subjects too); the courses are not free, at least in our area,.

    Yes, Geoff is right depends on the area. Grand-Fort Philippe across the Chenal (canal) from Gravelines does not have the same revenues from the power station! Twas built by the Spanish in the 18th C when they controlled the area and also cod Fishing in the North Sea and Arctic.

     

    But for Gravelines I failed to give the deeper URL about the Municipal Music School which says it is open to children from the age of 5 and the aim is to introduce the greatest number to the rudiments of music and musical instruments in an atmosphere of fun.

     

    L'inscription à l'École Municipale de Musique et le prêt des instruments sont GRATUITS.

    "There is no charge to join the school or borrow instruments."

     

    I notice ( as usual the French love being complicated!)that for some other musical courses available under the town hall and the Mitterand Centre the annual subscription seems to be around euro50 for adults. Almost every kind of instrument except concertina (bandoneón ) tho accordion is in the list!

     

    You get to move up (children and adults) from basic music classes after an exam to options such as the orchestral class and then after six years of exams (or at the discretion of the teacher!) entry into the Harmonie Municipale de Gravelines which has been around for 60 years and lots of French towns have such a 'town' band.

     

    It would be interesting to make a mass concertina/free-reed outing from the UK to Gravelines - only just up the road from Calais ferries and the Chunnel, and I am sure they would go for a couple of concerts and sessions (drinking and eating as well as playing) with other varied local instruments.

     

    But then we don't seem to travel very well, finding the "Continent cut off by fog" too often! Sometimes Sea France can be tempted to do a special deal for a group of travelling musicians who in return perform during the crossings as a promotional effort.

     

    There is special accomodation for visitors at the Gravelines Sports Centre but it may just be for the young and fit! Next to it is the Polder tourism lodge with half to full board ranging from E25 full board to E52, two bedded rooms.

    http://www.sportica.fr/modulosite2/fiche.php?id_bouton=7&id=407&fr=1

     

    There are a number of low-cost hotels within 25kms such as F1, Campanile, Premiere for between 30 and 50 euros per room per night plus breakfast if required around five euros.

     

    And some shared hostel type accommodation

    http://www.tourisme-gravelines.fr/fr/tourisme/preparez-votre-sejour/hebergements/hebergements-collectifs

     

    plus hotels up to e80 and more for those who want to splash out.......

     

    And some pretty good eateries on the coast and down the valleys of the river Aa with reasonable prix fixe menus from say e25 to e60 for a real blowout.

     

    http://www.tourisme-gravelines.fr/fr/tourisme/preparez-votre-sejour/restauration/restaurants

     

    Or you can take a Thermos, make your own sandwiches and go bird-watching at Oye Plage reserve. :P

  11.  

    Here in France there is musical education available to all, locally. Many children are learning some form of Accordion from an early age and one can even hire an instrument from the music schools. I could sign up at the local Conservatoire for lessons on just about every possible musical instrument.

     

    Geoff here is one good example of what you mean.

     

    I seem to remember out of a population of 13,000 there are more than 500 players of different instruments at Gravelines. One reason was/is the revenue from the massive nuclear power installation/stations there under the taxe professionelle EDF (Elec. de France) has to pay a big whack despite recent changes) to the local council - very high per head compared with most municipalites in France if not the highest.

     

    This has meant quite a lot of dosh has been spent for sports and music centres and the purchase of instruments to borrow for free and lessons and a whole series of townspeople performances.

     

    Just like in the UK ho ho. Think how much money the UK govt could save if all our young people were now able to play on the streets and feed and clothe themselves from pennies in hats instead of getting a non-existent job - but I digress to music at St Paul's

     

    The smart young mayor (mind u he is at least 15 years older since I first met him) Bertrand Ringot is a committed and clever operator with a national reputation for getting things happening. He is also de la gauche - a socialist.**

     

    Though here is how a UK shoestring can stretch a mile with the right Bells (Alan and Christine) on your toes: see && at end of URLS

     

     

     

    http://www.ville-gravelines.fr/

    and the school of music dance and visual arts-And they start with kids from 4/5 years old.

    http://www.ville-gravelines.fr/Ville-Gravelines-2003%20Dossier/Ville-Gravelines-2003/index.html

     

    http://www.ville-gravelines.fr/acamusique/hbm/lesmusiciens/index.html

     

    **

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=bertrand+ringot+president+de&go=&qs=n&sk=&form=QBLH&filt=all

     

    http://www.french-property.com/guides/france/working-in-france/starting-a-business/other-business-taxes/

     

    && and look at the for young persons page too

    http://www.folkus.co.uk/home.htm

  12. Making concertina's Available to Younger People

    I recently joined the ICA and I found Pauline de Snoo's introduction to several of the ICA magazines to be very informative and eye opening, in particular her objective to get more young folks involved with the Concertina. I personally delayed entry largely due to the cost and not realizing that there is such a tremendous support group of you folks out there. I made the leap and I love it. Pardon the digression. I however, am not what one would consider a "young person" (young in heart perhaps)and I have noticed that most of us are like a good wine.... Needless-to say Pauline's objective (and I am sure many of yours) of getting young people involved is appears to me to be a very important activity. I would be willing to get involved.

    I don't have the answers but just brainstorming would there be a way to somehow develop a program (perhaps through ICA) that would make it reasonable and affordable and enjoyable to get young men and women involved. I am sure this group would be full of ideas and thought it would make for an excellent discussion. Finally, I also want to credit a post Kautiyla's made in the "buy and sell Forum" that in addition to Pauline got me thinking what a great idea.

    Tku Stephen

    post no 8 (I think. Two pages away and my senile brain has forgotten already.... :blink:

    http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13464&st=0&gopid=130045entry130045

  13. Nice to see "someone" is still keeping up their mission to rescue and refurb the occasional tired tina and offer them at a price young players can afford to get started!

    Keep it up! :)

     

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wheatstone-Lachenal-28-button-Concertina-number-75067-/320796836040?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Keyboard_RL&hash=item4ab0fb40c8

    Tk u Stephen and I do agree with you and Pauline.

     

    http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13468&pid=130026&st=0entry130026

     

    BTW I must confess to having a few German wooden lever jobs as well as a few battered 'better' ones in various states of dis-ongoing=repair with the idea that young beginners could use em to get going on.

     

    It's also why I usally carry half a dozen v cheap but v useable, new, Swan harmonicas (chromatics even with slides!)in my bag which I dole out to get a group of instrumentless, young, foot-tapping watchers to have a go on. And if it clicks then they get to keep them in the hope they will carry on trying and learning and be ready for an Anglo-and-or--German. Perhaps I am dumb but there u go. :blink: :blink:

     

    Further, over the years I have found that kids with general learning difficulties often suddenly shine through music -- and one such offspring of a neighbour recently certainly got great fun from one of my cheapo Chinese harmonicas(they are made in the Shanghai factory and I have been buying them for a decade and more).

     

    I have to admit that I have no idea for most of them whether the ploy works as you meet families with the kids at some event and never see them again = maybe the parents are cursing me because of the subsequent noise :rolleyes:

     

    I should say that the small cheap "harp" mouth organs (usually in C) at Lidl and Aldi are not so good or easy for a starter and I wonder if the difficulty of getting a good tune out of them unskilled may in fact put em off. :lol:

     

    What we need now is someone with pots of dosh to hand out free Jeffries at sessions to the under-21s...........

  14. Kautilya,

    I really don't think that concertina (

    http://www.ebay.co.u...=item4ab0fb40c8 ) is a cheap German one, it looks to be a Lachenal, or Lachenal made Wheatstone at the very least....the cheap German made ones you mentioned in your referenced post would never(as far as I know)have had serial numbers, or, been made of rosewood...(though a rosewood Lachenal with brass reeds seems a little odd? Anyone???) I just think he came across a 28 button Lachenal that he fixed up a bit(if he did the repairs himself at all) and is re-selling, without a thought as to who is buying it....there is no "buy it now for 100 Lbs." on there, is there? I just think he is like any regular person in this case, he found something good, and he is selling it, let the auction take it where it will...and that concertina will probably go for at least 500 pounds...that doesn't make him a bad guy, or any less of a good guy for earlier good deeds, does it? I don't think so...just a thought, who knows....take care,

    Don

    Whoops = this is getting too confabulating!

    I did not mean Bryanclocks only handled German ones (with the wooden levers!) - it was a general point I made in August 2010 about his stated approach/philosophy of regularly rescuing stuff and himself (yes) fixing em up to keep them alive. Let's still hope this 'better' one ends up in the hands of a young beginner at a reasonable price, unless my innocent reference to it and remark about this tina Samaritan means it gets pushed beyond their reach. But then, he will have a few quid more to rescue others for more young beginners. Simples!

    Take care.

  15. "Come all ye dryland sail-i-ors, and listen to me song ..."

     

    The melodic bare bones of "The Portsmouth Stowaway" can now be heard in midi fomat here.

     

    And here is the latest draught of the lyrics, adapted to the tune (words in italics are changes to Rüdiger's original first 3 verses):

     

    In the dead of the night

    there is no gleam of light

    and the fog chills a soul to the bone;

    in the thick harbour air

    stands a maiden so fair,

    determined to die here alone.

     

    But young Johnny steps by,

    sees the tear in her eye,

    takes his 'tina and sings her a song

    of the warmth and the fun

    under Australian sun:

    "I'll make sure you'll be there before long!"

     

     

    He knew how to entice,

    didn't have to ask twice

    to take the poor lass out to sea.

    In a lifeboat she slept;

    in the nights Johnny kept

    her warm with his body and tea.

     

    Until after a fortnight

    the Captain with foresight

    thought fit to inspect all the boats;

    just imagine the fun

    when he looked in the one

    where young Johnny was getting his oats!

     

     

    "Captain, please," begged the girl,

    "Do not act like a churl

    and set me adrift on the ocean!

    It was Johnny who hid me

    and fed me and did me

    each night with increasing devotion!"

    The Captain was raging,

    but she looked engaging,

    so he gave a chuckle so merry:

    "Well, you sure have been done

    by that son of a gun –

    because this is the Isle of Wight ferry!"

     

    You'll notice that one iteration of the tune embraces 2 of the 6-line stanzas, reducing the song to 3 stanzas, which I consider a Good Thing, the span of concentration of modern audiences being drastically reduced since Wagners's day B)

     

    Cheers,

    John

     

    VvvGood!

  16. ...one assumes you will be in appropriate dress with one of you singing the Jolly John Ro(d)ger verses and the other the damsel's lines! Might I suggest you pull in a player of the Devil on a Hardanger fiddle who can do the Capn's lines as well?

    Kautilya, I fear you've become confused about the traits of the different characters. It's the damsel who is the hardingfiddler (www.hardingfiddler.com). And Martine is neither captain nor Devil, but a real angel. :)

    Her music's pretty good too Jim.

    http://www.hardingfiddler.com/www.hardingfiddler.com/Media.html

     

    and we had a Hardinger (made it himself)fiddler at the Lpool stealthfolk assembly last year..

    start at 3.30 with the tina player, then Hardanger (the Devil was playing with tuning) and watch out for Tinaman's temporary Moll with a machine-nug in her violin case.

  17. of course australia and the carribean are distinct, so what? this is not even a folk tale, it's a joke that probably exists in all languages in a bazillion variations (why didn't you complain about blue eyed sailor claiming that it's the same story set in hamurg?) carribean is more evocative, contrasts better with british isle fog and can accomodate the meter and rhyme better. it's called "artistic freedom"

     

    Avast there, Rüdiger!

     

    As I understood Jim, he was having a chuckle about a writer doing with a stroke of the pen what it would take a megaquake to accomplish in reality! And this is a fun project, as you say.

     

    BTW, in my opinon, Australia is better (in this context) than the Caribbean, for several reasons. First, England-Australia is the longest ocean voyage you can get, so it contrasts most strikingly with the ferrry trip across the Solent. Second, Australia is, at least for British people, very evocative of great distance and of emigrating to start a new life (ideal for the Portsmouth girl contemplating suicide). The Caribbean, on the contrary, is where immigrants come from - nobody goes there except well-off tourists. And we are led to believe that some Australians never experience rain until they leave home and move to somewhere on the coast, which contrasts sharply with Bitish childhood experiences. Lastly, neither "Australian" nor "Caribbean" fit the metre of the lyric perfectly, but with the tune that I'm working up and will publish an mp3 of "real soon now", "Australian" fits slightly better.

     

    All of the above is just to prove that I enjoy taking my pleasure seriously. This is a fun project, just tailor-made for a creative concertina forum like ours. Let those who will, muck in, and those who can't, express their interest. :)

     

    My arrangement works equally well on Anglo and Crane, so tell you what: let's see if we can perform the song together at the open stage in Böblingen in January!

     

    Cheers,

    John

    yes it's that cold Ham=let winter wind across the straits, in the dark nights where a Lucas torch cannot show the way, getting at his bones again....take a slug of Gammel Dansk Jim, sit back and watch the boat ride!

     

    now more seriously to busines and Böblingen (dangerously near another word in Sanskrit appropriate to oats and not to be repeated here.... :ph34r: )

     

    The inspiratorcreatormanagment agrees to you two getting up to tricks at Böblingen. BUT only if you make sure you video/have someone video the performance and post the link here: and one assumes you will be in appropriate dress with one of you singing the Jolly John Ro(d)ger verses and the other the damsel's lines! Might I suggest you pull in a player of the Devil on a Hardanger fiddle who can do the Capn's lines as well?

     

    ps:Costume costs are not deductible items:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

     

    BTW I think an in-boat demonstration may be a little difficult in terms of space and do I see the pastor (with binoculars) in the bell tower? I believe he transferred from Hardangerfjord parish

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boeblingen_oberer-see_stadtkirche.jpg

     

    The Devil is here and the church ban

    http://www.sylviahallett.co.uk/hardanger.htm

     

    http://www.sylviahallett.co.uk/audio/hardangerfiddle.swf

  18. I actually use the concertina app for ipad all the time. Actually, probably every day. I have a neck and shoulder problem that prevents me from practicing actual concertina enough to learn very

    many tunes, so I learn them on the ipad and transfer. It's totally easy, and can accommodate octaves, chords and ornaments. Can't endorse it highly enough!

    eh eh... Concertina-addicted you are! :P

    Hi Nisse

     

    You have no idea. Wait until you want get your second concertina and third and...... :rolleyes:

    http://www.idw.at/concertina/

     

    Thanks

    Leo B)

    U realise of course the iphone tina creator is but a click away from here....? one of our own...... indeed one could almost say you heard it here (nearly) first! :)

    http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=12025&st=0&p=118619&hl=+iphone%20+&fromsearch=1entry118619

     

     

    But the accordion, tks Leo, that could be a real weight off my back!

  19. Eh? I would think that should be in the key of SEA. B)

    How about the SEA of Keys (if we'd give up the Australian relationship anyway)...? :P

    I tried the ABC in Gee-up, Sea, and F... (for the unknowing u just put a different capital after the K (for key): in the ABC notation)and they all made me feel queSea...they also sound a bit rough.

     

    Actually just tried starting on G instead of A in the key of Sea on my 20button and it sails along swimmingly, even without a fair aeola...........

  20. Eh? I would think that should be in the key of SEA. B)

    How about the SEA of Keys (if we'd give up the Australian relationship anyway)...? :P

    I tried the ABC in Gee-up, Sea, and F... (for the unknowing u just put a different capital after the K (for key): in the ABC notation)and they all made me feel queSea...they also sound a bit rough.

     

    The point about the marketing of this song is that it is meant to sell in any part of the world where there are ferries running (including Zealand) so licencees just insert their local ferry crossing :P :P We expect big sales for the Caribbean as their tourism sector is renowned for cocktails of all kinds and of course the Oz lot do the excellent Whining Limey Arrival cocktail.

     

    It should work too on the Merzea Ferry for scousers such as myself, found as a baby in a rush, Celtic coracle floating in the Albert Dock and sold off in John St for half a crown. And when you think Crane Brothers, just down the road in Hanover St, were selling a gold button Shanty Duet for just 2 guineas (bellows not included --available for 10 shillings (collection only) from the Cranes' workshop off Scotty Rd above the Dock Rd where the Busies only patrolled in threes for their own safety.

     

    You may not believe this location location location marketing ploy, but Shoals of Herring at the Whitby summer folk festival was started (to much appreciation)not as:

     

    O, it was a fine and a pleasant day

    Out of Yarmouth harbour I was faring

     

    but

     

    O, it was a fine and a pleasant day

    Out of WHITBY harbour I was faring

     

    the YarYarmouth crowd did not object. :P-

     

    Another good market would be New York where they have the Static Island ferry, so she would not even get Seasick!

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