Kautilya
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Ah you're all teasing me by mentioning great musicians I want to listen to, but can't find clips of!
I'm torn ......
, from hearing Irish trad played on an Anglo. And so that's the sound I associate with the instrument.
All jokes aside,
I'm with Al on this one.
Practicals: look at, talk to, go to Swaledale Squeeze to see/hear/learn from Harry Scurfield who can jazz and rag and swing on Anglo and the rest. Al also does plenty mean slides and improvised productions.
start here and I think you will notice it is Anglo, and bear in mind that the push and pull or suck and blow of the Anglo is what gives the harmonica jazz harps their massive edge over the standard tremolo harmonicas:
Harry has been over the Irish Sea a number of times cataloguing various tina history, archive and live material and also counts a lot of South / African music as part of his research and repertoire.
I suspect the issue is more that folk who play ITM and traditional tunes do not necessarily have the mindset or inclination to turn to improvised jazz (mindset in terms of interest rather than mental agility to break fingers away from the 'toon'.
As a parc player myself one of the attractions of joining in with good jazz tina players one can vamp along with some excruciating notes and chords which in trad context would be castigated (and player even detartsac
) but in jazz context draw 'aural' smiles of admiration and even the occasional Whoop!! 
See what Chris Algar of Barleycorn in Stoke on Trent has in high button number Anglos to give you a bigger range. And going for sound rather than looks will achieve your aim without breaking the bank.
Give me a little time and will sort out some more links.
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I've downloaded your files but I cannot open them for some reason... will try again to see if it is just me doing something wrong,
thanks for that anyway Dirge,
best regards,
Geoff.
No barricades for me.... opened ok, but I could not hear the words with the toon??!!
Tempo is spot on Dirgey Boy (most of the lyrics are about lost loves and death..
Ye can takk the high road....with Oh Mary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAQGHPK3lIc
or the low road with Danny
Did not know there were so many variant lyrics so good for sessions. the Oh Mary (a favourite of James Joyce it is alleged) and Danny Boy words by Weatherly, (he wrote the English lyrics for songs such as Handel's "Art Thou Troubled as sung by Ferrier another good toon for you Dirge?)
Oh Mary dear, a cruel fate has parted us.
I'll hide my grief, e'en though my heart should break.
Farewell my love, may God be always with you.
I love you so, I'd die for your dear sake.
But you'll come back to me my sad heart whispers.
You'll come with summer's flowers or winter's snow,
But I'll be there to wait if God should spare me.
And with the years, my love shall deeper, greater, grow.
2. Oh Mary dear, the years are lone and dreary,
And yet you come not back my soul to cheer.
My eyes grow dim, my path of life's near ended.
When death shall come, in spirit, Love, be near.
Remember then, my soul's deep adoration.
Shed one sad tear for all the world to see.
Breath one short prayer, and I shall know you love me.
And still be waiting, Mary, when you come to me.
Danny Boy Weatherly 1913
Oh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side
The summer's gone, and all the roses falling
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide.
But come ye back when summer's in the meadow
Or when the valley's hushed and white with snow
'Tis I'll be there in sunshine or in shadow
Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, I love you so.
And when you come, and all the flowers are dying
If I am dead, as dead I well may be
You'll come and find the place where I am lying
And kneel and say an "Ave" there for me.
And I shall hear, tho' soft you tread above me
And all my grave will warmer, sweeter be
For you will bend and tell me that you love me
And I shall sleep in peace until you come to me.
I'll simply sleep in peace until you come to me.
And I shall rest in peace until you come to me.
Oh, Danny Boy, Oh, Danny Boy, I love you so.
Hinkson love song in the 1890s
Would God I were the tender apple blossom
That floats and falls from off the twisted bough,
To lie and faint within your silken bosom,
Within your silken bosom as that does now!
Or would I were a little burnish'd apple
For you to pluck me, gliding by so cold,
While sun and shade you robe of lawn will dapple,
Your robe of lawn, and you hair's spun gold.
Yea, would to God I were among the roses
That lean to kiss you as you float between,
While on the lowest branch a bud uncloses,
A bud uncloses, to touch you, queen.
Nay, since you will not love, would I were growing,
A happy daisy, in the garden path;
That so your silver foot might press me going,
Might press me going even unto death.
More here with apologies for Wiki
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Summat wrong with the comedy KGB / Mafia Tchaikovsky youtube link of "Il Concerto"
try these
a quick session
antics
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It's like cameras - always shoot in RAW +jpg or the highest setting.
When you get the great shot of your life by accident but you took it at lowest level 'to save space and get more pics per card',you can never boost it upwards.
But you can always get a small, low-res pic from a giant RAW one.
Here are the dots for Tchaikovsky Piano C No 1 in Bflat (and pots of other really free scores!)
http://imslp.org/wiki/Piano_Concerto_No.1_%28Tchaikovsky,_Pyotr_Ilyich%29
Yes I appreciate that, and the H2 seems to have lots of space for my purposes so that's OK. It's how to get the end result down in size so I can post it here, and the frustration that it used to do it automatically (and I wasn't aware that it sounded bad either. But as Pete says this is a hi-fi type argument, and I am on record as preferring to have 2 bottles of Chianti to one of Chateau Lafite.)
Yes I know and use Petrucci; no solo piano score there though.
The file size limit here means anything longish/complicated is more trouble than worth when u can slam it into windowsmoviemaker and put on youtube or equivalent (I dont use omnivoice or wotever it is called)
Why not start with some simple scale work on Zoom in wav or converted to mpeg?
Then start by making sound file in windows moviemaker
here's how
and then put up on youtube
and here's the suggested simple
:rolleyes: scale notes (you indirectly just led ME to Petrucci a few hours ago - great innit!) halfway down the page in toccata scoreshttp://imslp.org/wiki/Organ_Symphony_No.5,_Op.42_No.1_%28Widor,_Charles-Marie%29
I am practising with this* (using video downloader in firefox
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/
which saves the youtube to my PC as an MPG4 which plays back with VLC which allows me to slow it down, but again you have bass bottons I aint remotely got!)
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And the basses are so easy peasy you can do em with a bit of tap-dancing....
or you can warm up
with a slower Jazzy version like this one -
Fun with iMovie!
Messing around with iMovie this evening, for the first time, I managed to create this mini masterpiece! ......... Spielberg look out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ0qJ1D-Ef0
They are a couple of Polkas I composed on the Concertina, a few years back, in memory of a local Fiddle player, the late Jim McGill, who taught Traditional Music to numerous young folk around here.
I took the video footage just up the road here, during that Snow last Spring.
Cheers,
Dick
There is a supposed to be a note in the music score which says: 'jump over barred gate with gusto and tina in full squeeze'
Did not see that in the piccies!
Great rhythm!
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For what it's worth I would always record on the Zoom at CD quality then if you need a good recording you already have it. File transfer time between recorder and computer really isn't an issue, just go make a cup of coffee! Audacity will take slightly longer to open a large .wav file but after that everything is the same because an MP3 is always an export from Audacity even when the opened file was an MP3 to start with.
As to your reluctance to become too involved is concerned there is actually no difference. Record on Zoom, transfer to computer, edit with Audacity, export to MP3. A large file will take slightly longer to move from the Zoom to the computer but after that it's all the same. Do whatever you are comfortable with but mostly it's much of a muchness.
You lost me a bit there Pete; so you think I should go back to WAV files because my basic data is better? I've got it set to 128kbps MP3 at the moment. In that case where should I set the record mode level on the choice of wavs do you think?
My Zoom H4 is set to record at 44.1kHz which is CD quality. With that I can record a couple of hours on a 2Gb SD card. Yes, your basic recording will be of much better quality at this setting and if I was recording to submit to one of the International series (I wish!!) that would be my choice. Quite a lot of folk can't really hear the difference in quality but then we are getting back to the Hi-Fi debates that have raged for years ...
It's like cameras - always shoot in RAW +jpg or the highest setting.
When you get the great shot of your life by accident but you took it at lowest level 'to save space and get more pics per card',you can never boost it upwards.
But you can always get a small, low-res pic from a giant RAW one.
Here are the dots for Tchaikovsky Piano C No 1 in Bflat (and pots of other really free scores!)
http://imslp.org/wiki/Piano_Concerto_No.1_%28Tchaikovsky,_Pyotr_Ilyich%29
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I've just realised of course that there will be a file size setting on the Zoom as well, perhaps you've been into the menus and inadvertently changed something. You don't have to record in MP3 on the Zoom of course as Audacity will happily open a CD quality (or even larger!) .wav file and export it as a compressed MP3.
tallship, on 08 January 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:
I've just realised of course that there will be a file size setting on the Zoom as well, perhaps you've been into the menus and inadvertently changed something. You don't have to record in MP3 on the Zoom of course as Audacity will happily open a CD quality (or even larger!) .wav file and export it as a compressed MP3.
Could be because it is your Magnum Opus which we have been waiting for since Jan 1!
By amazing telepathiserendipity as I opened your post I was just enjoying (9MB file) two hours of ECMW sounds and at that very moment your delicious rendering of Nimrod and other pieces (and of course your slower but still rather fast and powerful (wot singer can resist your squeeze!) Moscow Nights- all luvverly.
And there is some interesting historical discourses there too, e.g. about Mr Purcell (whose family it seems later got into pirate music laundering with his magic powder)nicking tunes. "I suspect it was one of those pop-tunes from the 16thC which the peasants nicked and played in the 17thC...." etc etc.
ZOOM
If Zoom H2 then manual p 36 explains 'quantization' -- ' a higher quantization setting will result in better dynamic range, but the resulting files will be bigger and therefore consume more space in the SD card".
P 35 has box showing wav and mp3 levels under MENU , select REC MODE and see the BIT Size (16 and 24 BIT) or in MP3 up to 320Kbps - I assume the bigger the numer the bigger your file will be.
But you should never go for lower quality - by the laws of death and taxes each time you play a piece it can never be reproduced the same again.
Space on the SD card costs you nowt (after you have bought it), and as the cnetsite limit is small you can always stick a recording into windowsmoviemaker or similar (and put up on youtube as an "unlisted" item so you can ensure only your fans and granny can hear it.
As a no-brainer you must surely realise that
More squeeze oeuvres please! - BTW been trying to do Tchaikovsky's No 1 in B flat minor for piano on squeezebox, but don't have the buttons you have... any chance????????
Cant find a tina version anywhere (help Leo??!!) so would be super to have a world first from you
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=BWerj8FcprM
I doubt if even you have the multi-talents to take on this Mafia/KGB version of T's violin concerto. The opening reminds of Soviet/pianist Gilels refusing to start playing until the packed house had stopped breathing, never mind coughing.
As for the blonde fiddler, I seem to remember music critic Antony Hopkins* saying about the first movement that it was like Marylin Monroe entering the room (actually he was talking about the Bruch violin concerto, but a little musical licence when the Sopranos AND the KGB are behind the film production is praps allowed here! Keeping warm by bellowsing in Siberia does not have its attractions!
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http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_27591.htm
And something perhaps for those who suffer from regular foot in mouth syndrome.. it is for inferior ankelitis but should also be able to tackle upper body limb
bellowelbowitis and only at 2.99!
http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/lidl_uk/hs.xsl/index_27592.htm
and more at:
http://www.lidl.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg//lidl_uk/hs.xsl/offerdate.htm?offerdate=27538&ar2=
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...where is this Naughty Chair Band meeting?
It usually meets in the two back rows of the Swaledale Squeeze's scratch ceilidh band!
Much fun is had... and btw, you can now easily renew your ICA subscriptions with PayPal... so no need to even write a cheque! I'm renewed - and looking forward to next year's concertina.net reminder.
Thanks.
Tho Martin Hen the Hon Memb Sec kindly advises Paypal only best for overseas members not UK ones.(Seems there is an extra UK cost because of transaction fee by Paypal for UK).
Consulting in interim with him whether a "request total from seller" would work for transaction to be added to the 20 quid. Might be same as the cost of debiting a paper cheque and stamp and envelope, or may create more "ghosts' and more processing work.
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Now, where is this Naughty Chair Band meeting?
Roger
Well you of all people ort to know! Here it is in a video of you with your beard (on your chest below your musical horns)playing during Grinton Lodge, Swaledale Squeeze and you will notice the title includes your neon sign couplets!
Altho the cottage ain;t Grinton
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=grinton+lodge+photo&qpvt=grinton+lodge+photo&FORM=IGRE
And tku Roger for triggering me to dig this out - great melody to sound out on a sunny day across the Swaledale hills... almost a (happy) lone piper type toon with no need for chords!
abc midi and dots here
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Doesn't he pronounce it Barbara Alien? Classic!
Barber a alien?As in... ET needs a haircut?I, too, think it's a harmonica.
Just (ref Londioannium elsewhere) mediaeval NorseGermanAngloSaxonNorman creeping in again, as in 21st Century
TV presenters orientating themselves before gamma rays hit from nucelar blast which will strip off their lingerey, so problematizing* their preventative attempts at adaption to the crisis. But fear not, the Queen has been coronated and all will be well for those who comprise of her nation:rolleyes:
*(Yes! From a "literary" journal which interestingly included 46 pages on "Translating Music" (lyrics and melodies from other languages into English)
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Probably more likely to be Londin after the Italians arrived under Julio Soprano Cesare who used to play squeeze the natives when the capital was Londinium
Forgot to say that Prof Moriarty would tell any fiddler that the capital of the Land of the Prince Bishops is Browncow (Dunelm) even if you thought it twas directly nicked by Durham North Carolina.
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I was just listening to Sugar in the Gourd and heard this song... Frank Luther & His Pards - Barbara Allen, Recorded In 1928. You can hear it here:
Sounds like Anglo to me. What do you think?
Pretty sure it must have been Harmonica. He quite clearly suffered from various concertina ergonomic/physio issues....
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Thanks. Just what I was looking for. Are you likely to be there? And I can't believe I misspelled "London" in the title, where it can't be edited!
Maybe... who knows. The Drinkwater and Day virtuosi regularly turn up and different newcomers each time.
Londan is fine ...Mediaeval multispelling options
.What usually offends here is "London, England or Paris, France", and Washington is, of course, in the Land of the Prince Bishops
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Some young folk are thinking of starting a small Tango 'band' - there are three of them, one is Italian who plays some guitar and she is doing an MA in London -- I said I would ask if anyone (or several) here might be interested in joining up as they would love to have a squeezebox player. They are NOT expert musicians so you do not have to be Tango player Numero Uno.
To start with the idea is to develop some occasional (paid for) Tango classes and maybe occasional jaunts to play in restaurants (presumably paid for). It is for fun but also to make some money.
They live in North London not far from Islington.
If you might be interested in getting in touch with them to see how it might work please mail me. Maybe there could be a rotating tina player list to spread the action geographically
Thanks
Seems it suits English pretty well as there are a lot of tina tango youtubes but who knows there may be some AngloTangoWhizzos too!
With all those buttons on a bandoneon Dirge's many-keyed box would certainly be a whiz!
And here's the music for trying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VELhqtmDzBY&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL439955825EB66666
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Ray Langton thought tina players who also squeeze melodeons may be interested in The Big Squeeze workshop day Saturday 7th July 2012
Wem Town Hall in Shropshire .
Tutors include: Luke Daniels, Simon Ritchie,Rees Wesson,Ray Langton
Early bird tickets £30.00 inclusive of evening concert ticket
book through www.raylangton.com
There is a limit of 10 or less at the workshops to maximise benefit for participants.
All levels catered formand all ages! (
)Wem
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My wife and I are planning a trip to London the first week of April this year.
Do I understand correctly that the sessions at The George are the first Monday of every month? If there will be one on Monday, April 2nd, I would like to attend. Are there other sessions or events I should know about?
Anybody interested in meeting, let me know.
Yup. Just turn up. From 20.00 to around 2300.
They 'booked' out the regular,first on right from gate, downstairs room to some scientists in Dec so we went upstairs (and then came back down later) so, if no musicians in evidence down below, head upstairs!
Organiser Chris Shaw also runs "on bouge", French dance and Breton toons, which does dance/music workshop/bashes lessons http://www.onbouge.org/
If you play that type of music he may be interested in a supporting squeeze so contact him
info at onbouge.org
Some of these diary listings are inaccurate and need to be doublechecked but you can look at
http://www.folklondon.co.uk/venues.html
Irish
regular Events:
Every Second Wednesday – ‘The Wednesday Social’
Running from 1.30-4.30pm, this event is a mix of live Country and Irish music, plus fun raffles and bingos.
Admission is only £2.
http://www.londonirishcentre.org/index.php/whats-on/
Irish
http://www.sutton-acoustic.co.uk/IrishTradMusic.html
Some sessions are (folk singing/guitaring)events tho not just those instruemnts, so you may not be able to join in (depends how pro-active you are!) But they may fancy an extra offering and let you in free if it is a paying venue.
U can always email em first.
http://www.folkandroots.co.uk/Venues_London.html
http://www.efdss.org/events/morevents/page/5 The national home of English Folk Music and Dance just around corner from the tourist trap of Camden Lock Market.
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"The Naughty Chair Concertina Band"
Sounds like a winner
Al
A mate has that enitsirhC releeK chair photo (from her photographer in Oz) but not sure how you could play on it Al as your rest-on-knees position would not be so easy
!On a higher note the ICA membership sec says a number of spooks (not MI5/MI6 -- or as the French would say, MQuinze/MSeize -- but ghost members) paid for 2011 but they did not provide a snailmail address so they have not had their goodie mags (latest of which arrived today)....
Go and check out if you are on the homeless/no fixed abode list.
http://www.concertina.org/ica/index.php/news
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Tasty apples Leo! Tku!US
The Ivy Leaf Does Christmas Tunes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JziI_f1h-Q&fmt=18
Concertina - Accordion like instrument
Lisa and the concertina
Apples in Winter
Boeremusiek - Hengelaarswals [Anglers Waltz]
Die Teelepeltjies - Teelepel Vastrap (Teaspoon Vastrap)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04H9jDto7aQ&fmt=18
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GB
Colin's Christmas Cracker
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JP
(Set dance) Hurry The Jug - Concertina Solo.wmv
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FR
Black Is The Color
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Thanks
Leo
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Not the easiest stuff to get hold of but cellulose sanding sealer is excellent and very quick and easy to use. It's intended to be sprayed on but works well brushed. Any furniture or instrument maker who uses spray lacquer will have some.
I used to use that a lot on furniture, but it's a bit final. I'd rather have something that is closer to the original and can be re-worked, such as shellac based sealer.
Andy
Have a word/mail Martyn White who has always been a professional with the bee's knees for French Polishing
mwhite AT polishing.freeserve.co.uk with both hands and more recently a mean squeezer and box repairer... also with both hands!
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Caught the tail-end of a TV programme last night .....
Can you remember roughly the programme/channel on Dec 24 (look at the newspaper listings prpas as might be able to dig it out.
Wheeler Dealers was the programme on Discovery.
alas and alack,woe is me,
do not have Discovery.
Have to put Leo on the case!
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Caught the tail-end of a TV programme last night in which an Bently had been restored. They refreshed the leather to the seats using a flexible coloured leather paint. Not sure if this would work with concertinas, and I didnt make the connection during the programme, so unfortunately I dont make a note of the name of the product. But reading this thread reminded me of this procedure. Maybe it could be used for refreshing tired concertina cases though.
Can you remember roughly the programme/channel on Dec 24 (look at the newspaper listings prpas as might be able to dig it out.
In the meantime was any of this mentioned?
http://www.leathercareandrepair.co.uk/products.php
This discussion will not go away (!) as it is of practical importance to all squeezebox owners who do not have the money or need for TBR (total bellows' replacement) and who are quite able to handle a brush (school paint brushes were a good starting point for most of us when infants) as there is no 'expertise' just a little care and encouragement required with suitable material).**
I had some success with a plastic paint on bellows joints, not just flat, non-moving surfaces(don't be too concerned about sceptics). It is still holding back what looked like incipient splits in the bellows corners and along the main folds -- v nicely thank you -- after 12 months.
Not sure if I mentioned the brand in this below post from April 2010 (which has other good materials suggestions in it)but I can dig the bottles out and let you know if interested.It's 0140 so not going digging at this hour...!
**Another example of 'expertise for all' from my mate, who was a Rolls Royce coach builder, says when finishing metal seams, (on your new or rewelded RR), which may rust later, you take cotton wool or rope and liberally impregnate it with old grease and jam a wedge of it into the crack of the seam, e.g.inside the inner wing-to-body weld seam. (Like 10th century cathedral stonemasons, YOU know yr trick is in the soaring roof but not the punters
) . Grease warms in the summer and spreads and congeals in the winter and it will stay there for decades.. and stops any rusting.
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Hoping to try a piano flute version with a few tweaks to match the Penderyn tune, at mulled wine and songs bash round at the neighbours. Where's that public German version??!!
In the meantime go and see, for some creative holiday effort: Is there a Welsh mountain song/toon in this Roc? A la Lambton Worm...
Failure - the mulled wine completely took over, and the concertina player in the corner must have been on vodka as all he managed to play was the Soviet Anthem and then he went on to his whistle (playing, not as a straw in his bottle of Stolichnaya!)
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Hi Dick
Very nice. Would have liked to hear the dog commentary.
Thanks
Leo
Just for you Leo! Quite sweet voice, tho it is Sveedish and I don't know what Jim's dog on the other side of the Helsingør and Helsingborg Strait would be sounding like in this cold weather
Concertina for Jazz?
in General Concertina Discussion
Posted · Edited by Kautilya
Harry in action, with The Late Night Mob on his brand new Big Dipper late at night (or early morning) at Squeezedale.
Start at 2hrs 46min 30secs and then swing into Alexander's Ragtime Band and then see how he seamlessly moves into trad Shoals of Herring and hear his quivering bellows (not far off harmonica harp vamping/bending by hand!) as he matches "In the stormy seas and the living gales"
There may be a few other examples scattered around the five hours of action.
Coffe(e) break action....
http://youtu.be/1nsB8dEehb8
There is a recent thread somewhere with Al explaining/peforming some note bending for blies jazz and other purposes but cant remember exactly where.