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It is also quite possible that (being a total novice, as you say) he was messing up the music and annoying others by trying to join in without a clue. Getting him to shut the book may have appeared the best way to get him to shut his tina.
Like an ebay auction this post, with all the mystery and uncertainty as to how high or low it will go. Already 87 are hooked.....
Hmmm
Assuming that ITM counts Turlough O'Carolan's Concerto as ITM.
A flautist whom I know, has never learned to play by ear (he's half deaf anyway with double widgets in his ears)
But he sight reads impeccably and without hesitation. Although of a 'certain age' he finally plunged and in December came to a session to see if could tag along with tunes he did not know to tackle his ear=less learning impediment. He had never been to a session before.
Now there are some pretty smart players at this regular sesssion, but few can handle the said concerto, certainly the second part, in a style that the flautist can.
But he started it off from the notes he had brought,on the table in front of him, and soon had the rest of the room beginning to come along behind him and they quickly got a reasonable handle on it.
So, would he have been ejected from that NY Pub (and elswhere)then for bringing his paper music along with him?
Fascinating.
We still have not clarified whether the young 'offender' was told to shut his tina coz he was messing up the toons by playing wrong notes too loudly (rather than discreetly) or simply because he had a book open.
It was interesting at 2011 Whitby Eurosessions that when music score sheets were handed out (so sight readers could quickly lead into a tune NEW to most if not 99% present,in each instance the whole community then had it under control much faster. Much faster than by hearing alone. Indeed when there were no dots for 'foreign' tunes, the initiator ended up soloing or petering out as few had enough 'earing' time to grasp and play along.
Bit of sight and sound at work. I seem able only to read music after I have heard someone playing it, but the dots then help to keep me roughly in line!
Indeed La Marche des Bandonéons, by one Alain de Jour of this paroisse, a melody new to all but one person amongst the 25 or so in one Eurosession, was handed out on paper. Then we got started off with a recording of the composer himself playing, on an ipod and little speaker. It worked a treat. Everyone was playing and taking over the toon as their own within a minute.
Where concertinas etc are playing songs or accompanying them there is no doubt that non-playing singers are delighted to have all the lyrics. 'We' even offer the notes for players and singers+words on paper so the voices/punters/bystanders can join in. The end product is often pretty good music.
One Whitby example, among several, was Schubert's Die Forelle, if I remember rightly, which instrumentalists caught fast and which was sung through by the others in German and English simultaneously.
Of course some leave their reading glasses at home and moan they can't join in as they can't remember nor read ALL the words.........
Confused:
ps - does that means all those clever little (cookery book) recipe labels which I see people with, on a ring binder thingy, with the first two lines of 100+ of their favourite toons, which they cannot recall for toffee unless they look thru em, are also frowned on? And we were just discussing a few months back whether there was a beer-proof Kindle which could be used for music dots words and sound.
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the link to the longer version of the YouTube video featuring the concertina.
Chris
More ! Mooore ! Moooorre!
:angry: But Drinkwater cackles and says:
No! Nooooo! Nooooo..............!
:PAnd anyway - none of you are any good at identifying what this pain machine really is. It is from the Tower of London dungeons and is known as a "thumb screw".
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Leo put up interestin link in his regular intl video treasure roundup
Tks Leo.
This chord demonstrator ain't bad at all for fumblers such as me and may help those discussing accompaniment on both hands.
BE
Accords Concertina Chords
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u4Alh885wo&fmt=18
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Accords Concertina Chords
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u4Alh885wo&fmt=18
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Thanks
Leo
Tks Leo.
This chord demonstrator ain't bad at all for incompetents like me and may help those discussing accompaniment on both hands.
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oh my goodness.....that was pure pain to watch
You skeptic! It just goes to prove you can play radical Jazz even on an Amboyna
The pleasure is in the pain.
What did the English masochist say to the Anglo-German sadist?
Hit me! pleeeze!, hit me!
and the Sadist said
No! Noooooo! Nooooooo!
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wannaplayjazz - have u checked yr cnet personal mail?
Hi! Yes I did. I sent you something yesterday. It obviously never got you. I sent another just now.
done - in process.....
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Geoff, yes it's in F.
Struggling to make it work (simple button progression for dumbos) on F row on my C/F box.
Could it be because my suck and blow post WWII squeezer is not tooned to 440 concert pitch?
I can make it work on my Bflat/Eflat box also WWII period.
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Found the website but exactly on which page are the press and listen buttons for the samples ?
Kautilya - scroll down the page to Attachments, and download each of the files to play it. There are some samples from Eloise on the appropriate page, but also collaborations and mixes - all samples of Ralphie's work (but not necessarily with a Maccann ... or indeed as a musician - some are examples of work that he has recorded for others).
Ta! My gnat attention span - I did not even get far enough to see those right at the bottom.........
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wannaplayjazz - have u checked yr cnet personal mail?
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I found the Dave Townsend clips – fabulous! Thanks Dirge. And thank you Randy – I loved Summertime especially. Many thanks also to Kautilya for all your research. It’s fantastic to hear all the different approaches and styles of playing.
I have also been in touch with Chris at Barleycorn and he’s been very helpful as you all said he would be.
So taking everything into account (drumroll please!) ... I have decided to go for an English. I think it best suits how I want to play. When I think about what I like to listen to and what in the music I react to as a dancer (lindy hop & balboa), it’s always the melodic instruments more so than the rhythm section that I’m drawn to. I think the English will allow me to play more with that side of things with the option to also play around a little bit with harmonies, but without getting bogged down in having to arrange pieces. Coming up with arrangements is never something that I particularly enjoyed with the piano so, despite my best intentions and ambitions, I don’t see my laziness in that regard changing anytime soon! Another consideration is that I would like to play with my friends, who have a range of different instruments, so having the flexibility to play in different keys easily is essential and the English should allow me to do that too.
But even if I didn’t take your particular advice, I’m very grateful for it. Not knowing anything about the instrument, it was invaluable for me to hear about the specific properties of each type and what you all liked about the instrument you play in order to decide which most appealed to me personally. This was my first post on this site and I am totally overwhelmed with the outpouring of genuinely helpful and meaningful advice I received.
I can’t wait to get one now!
Brian Peters
http://www.cdroots.com/pug-6.html
Harry also said apart from his only playing Anglo:
"Jazz on the concertina is certainly not new or unique. I believe that the very first recordings of the concertina (in 1929 & 1932) made in Ireland were 3 tracks, one featuring a ragtime-style piece, and one a jazz band which has a fantastic solo, backed by the band, of course - a few seconds only, tantalisingly - on English.
"However, I think that to play as a soloIST (i.e. unaccompanied) the anglo or duet would be more obviously the men for the job. "
there endeth the lesson!
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A few years after I started playing the Anglo, I was learning tunes from several fiddle playing friends and tried to sound just like them with their bowing, phrasing, double stops and slides. I achieved some success but was never 100% satisfied in that goal.
Then I started listening to what the banjo was doing and tried to double that sound in my various bands, (American traditional dance music is the genre I'm talking about here). The role of the banjo in a band, with its rhythmic percussive quality... that was something I could kind of do, in my own Anglo way of course.
Then I was listening to a musician I have always loved, Fats Waller on the piano and realized that the um pa quality of his left hand was sort of like what I had been doing on the concertina in my solo work and tried to figure out how I could make more of that and make what I'm doing more like what Fats was up to.
Then the same with John Hurt on guitar and his simpler bass lines, syncopations and finger picking style. His kind of guitar playing makes a lot of sense to me and I have been trying to emulate the essence of his style on the Anglo. Another guitar player I've been listening to for his chugging chordal rhythm is Mississippi Fred McDowell.
Yet another instrument that makes sense to listen to is the harmonica. Some of the pre-war older stuff can sound quite Anglo like, but when I heard this harmonica solo at :46 I just shook my head and cried...
TAKE AN OLD COLD TATER AND WAIT ~ Little Jimmy Dickens
Fast! Wot key do u reckon the harmonica is playing in?
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I'll keep any eye out from my balcony, failing that I'll ask Maxim (Shostakovich - his lot use a Ш -sh not a Щ with a wiggley tail =shch - don't want the orcs copying your dorgy literary habits!)
sorry.
That'll be another three tunes for detention practice by OO Orc hundred hours
actually had a squint around and the so far prob with old Shosters and the son is that their stuff probably still within copyright (and online sell bandwagon), even on the Russky websites.
BTW Скачать бесплатно Ноты:PDF
means download, no charge, notes in pdf or in Inglis: downlead free score: PDF format
This one** is looking hopeful and after going through trying to think out tips for you to pick out the Cyrillic I just realised it also has some with the English in background blue.....!
No shosters but Gounod, Prokof, Tchaikovsy for Romeo.
But there are lots of other pieces too.I cantr see a site like this being risk and no warning came up with firefox or taco cookie remover.
http://www.scorser.com/search.aspx?q=%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%20%D0%B4%D0%B6%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0&l=ru&ft=-1&c=1&pn=1'>http://www.scorser.com/search.aspx?q=%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%20%D0%B4%D0%B6%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0&l=ru&ft=-1&c=1&pn=1
Google translate is pretty good for tech stuff like this so you can have site open and cut and paste into auto Russian to see what u might be looking for. Or type rachmaninov into phonetic Russian keyboard (rakmaninov) and use resulting Cyrillic to go hunting. really easy peasy
The pdf R and J by Tchaik (either attached or by email) looks like the reduced juice type of thing you want or should it be even more reduced?
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on that same scorser site left hand column is this which takes you to other Полезные сайты -useful sites. No harm in yr looking.
You might build up a collection of reduced score which other aspirants to higher themes and chords can tap later.
Art of piano
Фортепиано в России
Easybyte
Quatre mains
It has a list of R&Jul other instruments for playing along with piano tho I must go and look up the meaning of the one beginning with f/ph.... aahh - bassoon,well I never!
Фортепиано ромео и джульетта
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Кларнет Скрипка Валторна Фагот Тромбон Флейта Контрабас Арфа Бас Труба Хор Увертюра Чайковский, Петр Ильич
And finally, the joke's on me - I find the home site is in English and I had come in round the side straight into the Russian version of the site........\
http://www.scorser.com
Erm sorry I meant Prokoviev.... all these Russians look the same.
There's a piano score on Petrucci which would be what I'm after but it's blocked; not sure why but it's still on copyright in America although I am not...
Editted to add I do know why; the edition was actually printed in 1956.
Editted again to add 'Found it!' We'll see if it's remotely playable.
If I'd known it was Profekkiev I would have searched the Irish sites.
......just watching the last edition of Heartbeat on the recorder and then off to bed. -
I'll keep any eye out from my balcony, failing that I'll ask Maxim (Shostakovich - his lot use a Ш -sh not a Щ with a wiggley tail =shch - don't want the orcs copying your dorgy literary habits!)
sorry.
That'll be another three tunes for detention practice by OO Orc hundred hours
actually had a squint around and the so far prob with old Shosters and the son is that their stuff probably still within copyright (and online sell bandwagon), even on the Russky websites.
BTW Скачать бесплатно Ноты:PDF
means download, no charge, notes in pdf or in Inglis: downlead free score: PDF format
This one** is looking hopeful and after going through trying to think out tips for you to pick out the Cyrillic I just realised it also has some with the English in background blue.....!
No shosters but Gounod, Prokof, Tchaikovsy for Romeo.
But there are lots of other pieces too.I cantr see a site like this being risk and no warning came up with firefox or taco cookie remover.
http://www.scorser.com/search.aspx?q=%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%20%D0%B4%D0%B6%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0&l=ru&ft=-1&c=1&pn=1'>http://www.scorser.com/search.aspx?q=%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%20%D0%B4%D0%B6%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0&l=ru&ft=-1&c=1&pn=1
Google translate is pretty good for tech stuff like this so you can have site open and cut and paste into auto Russian to see what u might be looking for. Or type rachmaninov into phonetic Russian keyboard (rakmaninov) and use resulting Cyrillic to go hunting. really easy peasy
The pdf R and J by Tchaik (either attached or by email) looks like the reduced juice type of thing you want or should it be even more reduced?
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on that same scorser site left hand column is this which takes you to other Полезные сайты -useful sites. No harm in yr looking.
You might build up a collection of reduced score which other aspirants to higher themes and chords can tap later.
Art of piano
Фортепиано в России
Easybyte
Quatre mains
It has a list of R&Jul other instruments for playing along with piano tho I must go and look up the meaning of the one beginning with f/ph.... aahh - bassoon,well I never!
Фортепиано ромео и джульетта
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Кларнет Скрипка Валторна Фагот Тромбон Флейта Контрабас Арфа Бас Труба Хор Увертюра Чайковский, Петр Ильич
And finally, the joke's on me - I find the home site is in English and I had come in round the side straight into the Russian version of the site........\
http://www.scorser.com
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free Tchaikovsky
This site any use Dirge?
http://www.sheetzbox.org/piano/sheets/5353/Tchaikovsky-Concerto_No1_FreePianoTabs.html
Oh yes; always like sites like that.
Hey if you're really at a loose end find me a 'piano reduction' of the Schostacovich (whatever...) Romeo and Juliette theme.
I'll keep any eye out from my balcony, failing that I'll ask Maxim (Shostakovich - his lot use a Ш -sh not a Щ with a wiggley tail =shch - don't want the orcs copying your dorgy literary habits!)
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>I've downloaded your files but I cannot open them for some reason... will try again to see if it is just me >doing something wrong,
yeah Geoff, I also get a "codec missing" error in my Windows Media; I am not much of a computer geek--so I may never have the opportunity to hear this interpretation. I am sad--Dirge always inspires. Michelle
Amazing.....! this one seems almost exactly the same though player uknknown and unlisted - they must be working overtime in the forges of Mordor tonight
Erm. It's certainly me playing; I recognise the shaky bits. Didn't have the ending though. This is you at work isn't it? Not something sinister?
Thanks if so (but the original opens for some, including me. Odd isn't it?)
Moi?
Maybe only thee and me have the key that opens all the doors - and your shoulders of course, with your clarion horn call at 33secs
on relistening, yeah, u are cut off in end-flow
not sure why the ending is missing as that is all there seemed to be .. maybe there is a glitch at the end of the mpeg3 which is then keeping the peasants out?
Maybe yr Zoom is sending out evil signals worldwide...
will get orcs to check it again.
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I thought I'd share this bit of good fortune, it is an accidental discovery which might save lots of work. I'm restoring a Maccann Duet which I bought off Chris Algar a while ago. The end bolts have been screwed down over the years so they are now sunk right into the wood. I was going to fill and re-drill the holes but I remembered something in my electronics bits box.
They are plated brass standoffs for mounting circuit boards.
Coincidentally they are almost exactly the same diameter as Lachenal and Wheatstone bolt heads, with a nice clearance hole and 6mm long. They are a fraction bigger which means they are a tight push fit into the hole the bolt head made.
So all you do is clean the hole out with a 4.5mm drill bit to a depth of 6mm, start the spacer into the hole, then pull it right in with the bolt. Fill around it and polish.
Before.
And after.
In the UK they are available from RS Components (the part number is 606-759) and are about 10p each. There are probably shorter ones too.
Hope it helps.
Andy.
Valuable bit of vertical thinking! - should work on my Lachenal too ......instead of my Sellotape/matchstick packing!
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As Ralphie hasn't provided the full link to his website,you could try this ... http://www.the-attic-tapes.co.uk/
Enjoy!
tks Ir.
Found the website but exactly on which page are the press and listen buttons for the samples ?
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Sounds like prices of duets are going to start climbing!
Had a word with Harry, and he suggests the way to go may be either Anglo or Duet....of which comments more later.
He thinks his playing of "Walk right in" in that Squeezedale utube around 2hrs 46 mins,was on 48=button baritone Anglo, but we are doing a bit more checking!
I am generally not a Jazz fan, but am trusting all this discussion leads to more interesting tunes and improvisation recordings for us all to savour.
Participated in some interesting 'jazzing up' of Beethoven's Ode to Joy with a quartet at an EU bash in Maribor a year or two ago. Maribor, Slovenia and home of the oldest vine in the world, is EU Capital of Culture this year.
Now to listen to Randy's exploits.
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>I've downloaded your files but I cannot open them for some reason... will try again to see if it is just me >doing something wrong,
yeah Geoff, I also get a "codec missing" error in my Windows Media; I am not much of a computer geek--so I may never have the opportunity to hear this interpretation. I am sad--Dirge always inspires. Michelle
Amazing.....! this one seems almost exactly the same though player uknknown and unlisted - they must be working overtime in the forges of Mordor tonight
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free Tchaikovsky
This site any use Dirge?
http://www.sheetzbox.org/piano/sheets/5353/Tchaikovsky-Concerto_No1_FreePianoTabs.html
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That's seriously good Mr Dirge. I spend a considerable amount of time knotting my fingers around Stanley arrangements on EC and many are very satisfying, but I have to admit that your duet playing on this recording beats me hands down.
Oh .. you will have noticed that I have changed my user name to keep a lower Google profile. The Latin is a bit pretentious, I know, but it is the best I can think of ...
Jeremy
If you are putting out tunes everwhere and switching around all the time why not try Meretrix - or go with the simple English meretricious
There are only 73,900 on Google for "Meretrix"
whereas "ex libris" is pretty rampant at 9,410,000 results
If you went really high class-ical, properly to reflect the super service you offer, you could go for
"Mr. Retrixious" (No results found for)
or the indeterminable
"Ms. Retrixious", (No results found for)
both of which have that added Greek retsina flavour!
The important thing is to keep Dirge giving us pleasure.
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It would be a worthy project to rescue this tune from the treacle-izers. (Is that a word?)
Why not? Breaks all the rules, so totally original!
Harold Wilson used to make up words and when he (deliberately) said them in Parliament they went into Hansard and so became official.
Check with the MP for Consset(i) na to see if they will do the honours
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Oh my word - yes that's EXACTLY the style of music I'd like to play!!! Especially the non-accompaniment bit he plays. Thank you!
But now I'm TOTALLY confused - that's on Anglo? The first thing I was told was to rule that one out. But, come to think of it, I don't really understand why. I keep hearing about how the push/pull of the bellows affects rhythm but I don't really understand how. Don't you push/pull the bellows on any concertina - what is it about the Anglo that makes it different? I mean, I know it changes the note, but how does that affect the rhythm in a way that couldn't be achieved on other concertinas? Pardon my utter ignorance!
And more links to that sort of stuff would be fantastic!
I don't think K's doing you any favours here. Yes you could get an Anglo but it strikes me as the complicated and expensive way to go.
If you swallow that then we have to go through it all again. There are 4 duet systems to choose from...
Dirge is absolutely right (I thought cheap Lachenal Anglos were cheaper than cheap English etc but he has been watching the market for some time, and he already has a Rolls Royce of a giant box!)
A call to Chris Algar will sort out what current (post Xmas, depression, recession, regression)prices are for something (tell him your quadrilemma) to do the job you have in mind. You can be sure a box from him will be in working order.
But, as I said, Dirge is right and the moral of the Dirgested Read (with apologies to John Crace of The Guardian) says:
"Go and listen, ask about, try out, maybe borrow and test all the different types before you plunge and spend......."
:) I would (could) not want to lock up that kind of loot on spec. and battered old boxes often hide their best secrets inside, assuming you are not an investor for treasure** but a player for pleasure and can climb up the investment tree later.
** ref the argument you should buy the most expensive now as you can re=sell it later for more. BUT it needs to be the right method/box now.
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Luvved that! Great ri-post-e