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The Village Music project has been mentioned in various places here but I was interested to find from some of its activists at the William Irwin weekend that they are gradually putting more and more of the old collections into ABC on their site and some, not just fiddle tunes,look good for tinas. Here is the ABC page for William Irwin http://www.village-music-project.org.uk/abc/IRWIN.ABC Here's a nice one in G X:15 T:Tyrol Waltz. WI.015 M:3/4 L:1/8 Q:1/4=120 S:Wm Irwin, 1838 MS, AGG's Transcription R:.Waltz O:England A:Lake District Z:vmp.Chris Partington.2005 K:G D2|G>G B>B d>d|b2g2 (3gfg|a2c'2 (3fef|g2b2D2|! G>G B>B d>d|b2g2 (3gfg|a2c'2 (3fef|g4:|! |:(3gfg|a2c'2 (3fef|g2b2 (3gfg|a2c'2 (3fef|g2b2 (3gdB|! G>G B>B d>d|b2g2 (3gfg|a2c'2 (3fef|g4:|! "^Variation, followed by another AGG"\ D2|(3GDG (3BGB (3dBd "_etc"g2zz|] The Bonnie Lassies of Keswick is also good but it is in D (and is easier played with the midi on slow speed! The D did not bother the English boxes) and was played as all kinds of instruments processed up the hill to the cemetery to play at the little memorial ceremony (the cello was already at the grave!) X:9 T:Keswick Bonny Lasses Hornpipe. WI.009 M:C| L:1/8 Q:1/2=90 S:Wm Irwin, 1838 MS, AGG's Transcription R:.Hornipe O:England A:Lake District N:A.G.G writes "these altrernatives are my own", presumably meaning that N:Irwin has a different conclusion to the B music..CGP. Z:vmp.Chris Partington.2005 K:D (3ABc|d2fe dcBA|Bcdc BAGF|\ G2BA GFED|C2A,2 A,2(3ABc|! d2fe dcBA|Bcdc BAGF|GABc dABG|F2D2 D2:|! |:AG|FDFA dAGF|GEGB ecAF|\ FDFA dAGF|G2E2 E2(3ABc|! d2fe dcBA|Bcdc BAGF|GABc dABG|F2D2 D2:|

Alan Bell opened the Sat morning of the William Irwin Symposium in Eltweraterwith an interesting account of Anne G Gilchrist's work digging out old tunes and how her own work was rediscovered. She was paid for her writings by the Manchester Guardian as Messrs AG Gilchrist.... He sings the Lakeland Fiddler at 10 minutes.(he said he had never sung so early in his life!)

I'll try to put up recording next week of him singing it. go see videos and music - Alan Bell Researching tunes, dust,women musicians as men & William Irwin

I'll try to put up recording next week of him singing it.

Good idea Perry! Wonder, if you photographed the pages (it should be out of copyright! When did the nice chappy die?)and made a file then the Anglo players could donate a pound or 1.50 dollars to cnet and that would save u posting your only copy, help cnet more and be more useful to more people?

http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=11586&st=36

And they go with a real retro fizz! V sweet of you Al http://www.bestbritishsweets.co.uk/retro-sweets/barratts-fizzy-refresher-rolls-sweets.html

For non-Ipadders like self, would one just be able on PC to do Alt Prt Sc(reen) (which copies whole screen in front of you) and then ctrl v (paste) that into a Word file, or would the gif on screen not be clear enough? Firefox had a good fast copy screen function add-on which allowed you to select certain parts of screen (e.g. just a score) but that has now been disabled in Firefox update - perhaps they fell out with the developers edited to correct ctrl Prt sc to Alt Prt Sc and "across the room on macbook" says screen copy is Command shift 3 takes picture of entire screen and Command shift 4 takes pic of part of screen.

See William Irwin weekend in events. One of a number of tunes and songs which may get an airing during weekend to commemorate Lakeland's and Lancashire's greatest fiddler. for dots etc of I am a Lakeland Fiddler = song about William Irwin by Alan Bell (for those who don't know him he is Chair of NW Folk arts development agency Folkus,Director of the Fylde Folk Festival etc)and very active elder statesman (heading for 80!) of the NW musical scene, still singing and an English concertina player. (BTW the ABC / tunetron explanation is for those off Cnet such as fiddlers and triangle players).

Anyone nearby needing summat precious moving/dropping off. King's X to Langdale via Wigan M6 pm May 2 /pm May 3 King's X M1 A50 M6 M58 (Lon/Nott J23a /Newc u Lyme (past Barleycorn Algar Manor House/St Helens/Wigan). May 3/4 midday M58 on M6 to (praps diverting briefly to end of Blackpool motorway)Kendal Langdale. Return route Langdale pm 6th on M6 to M58 or am/midday 7th to M58 praps diverting briefly to end of Blackpool motorway 7th pm or 8th pm back down to Kings X as per outward route. or Thru Brum via Sutton Coldfield rather than A50 to M1 but only in extremis due regular traffic jams May 17/18/19 London Swaledale viaM1/A50/ M6 17th May evening from Kings X via M1/A50 j23a Nott, NewcULyme M6 St Helens/Ormskirk/Wigan (M58). (or rush straight up on M1 via Sheffield to Grinton early, early morning 18th.) Then May 18th morning Probably M6 via Sedbergh or Tebay turnoff to Reeth/Grinton via Hawes or lower road A684 via Askrigg. Sun 20th 1800ish reverse route to M58 or perhaps across to Ambleside/Langdale via Tebay / Kendal and 21st afternooon M6 to M58 Wigan (perhaps diverting briefly to end of Blackpool motorway) then back down to M58. Then back to Kings X 21/22 as per outward. Thru Brum via Sutton Coldfield rather than A50 to M1 but only in extremis due regular traffic jams 21/22 April pm back down to Kings X as per outward.

No indices (plural of indicks) eh? I was just wondereing if there was even a printer's folio/quarto sheet run number at bottom of page but then it read on and it sounds like u have ruled that out. Any chance of a photo of one of the pages? Maybe someone can then ABC a few lines and someone can put it into one of the name this tune apps. Or (and perhaps someone may recognise layout from a particular music publisher). E.g. I am looking at a Prowse "first steps" A5 32ppager which has a very particular font and layout and on the back outside page bottom right corner their tiny (print) ref number L.B.645. I'm not very good at spotting this type of connection but someone may.

Well spotted and bought! http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/62506085/Recueil-De-La-Bourree-Chants-Et-De-Danses-Populaires-Du-Massif-Central-Preface-De-C-Gandilhon-Gens-D-armes-Livre-ancien.html

Verily, but he must have missed the first rehearsal truck run through already......

New frontiers perhaps for Dirge, and others already brave in tackling the challenges and complexities of the big classical scores. Some interesting bits from an analysis today:"Five myths about modern classical music" "It all sounds like a squeaky gate" : "Without Stockhausen.... the Beatles would be mired in musical pre-history" "...composers who write music that pushes musicians to their extremes are doing nothing more than fiddling around with meaningless notes in a solipsistic, self-indulgent reverie." Perhaps of the tina as the "working man's" easy entrée into the world of songs and melodies for social and political commentary: Of Cornelius Cardew: "All his music was composed with social and political consciousness at its heart." Ravel vs Varèse: Re education work by London Sinfonietta in early 80s: "The (school) kids loved Varèse and couldn't get on with Ravel.. ('s sensual, beguiling, "easy"music) Grade 13 Exam: Discuss above: Or rather, play something classically modern! http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/apr/26/five-myths-contemporary-classical-music Gosh! Serendipity - see Leo's roundup and Canada Anglo piece for Levon - riveting. (Reminders too of whether tina band could work for Penderecki's 1959 Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima for 52 strings. I remember listeneing to it with a teacher as a teeny tot when it first came out, and fear of the 'hail' of musical radioactivity falling to the ground. It was not long after we had chatted on several occasions with Leonard Cheshire, who was on the Nagasaki flight. He had come for a break at the school and we used to sit with him on a bench overlooking the school playing fields in the summer sun**. Search Threnody National Polish Radio Symphony Orchestra. Anglo http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14148&pid=135605&st=0entry135605 ** http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6670000/newsid_6670400/6670479.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2

"squeeze boxes" indirectly http://www.london2012.com/cultural-olympiad

Ah yes GMRT, Yep, that's exactly what the paid job deals with ... But we digress... and I play tunes to escape from correlators (which are big and bad and very hard work) Yes digresshing but ve are leestening to YOO - yr Joone 2007 home reehearsal teena toons now beeing peeked up at sub-leesteneeng station DSSC (Dizzy Spin Star Cluster -- as named by u human alienns) in Small Magellanic Cloud! But now, back to earth reealeetee.

Erm. Yep! CapnKirk: "Dirge to Con! Dirge to Con! Backup! Backup at twerpspeed!"

If this would suit might be worth checking ebay US as at this price you can afford to experiment. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Visang-VS-R01-R01-In-ear-Headphones-Earphones-Studio-Monitors-Black-BRAND-NEW-/120903298225?pt=UK_AudioVisualElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Headphones&hash=item1c2665ecb1 And you could go low tech and use a folding echo box to the right or left of your tina ( bearing in mind point made elsewhere that you are sending sound to left and right) and presuming you are seated with tina at knee level. The cardboard version (think stiff cardboard supermarket packing box used for transporting 20 cereal cartons)is much cheaper than a cajun drum where you would have to leave one side open. http://www.americanmusical.com/Cajon-Drums?src=Y1010NMSA2000000&utm_source=msa&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=non If you can fold cardboard box for carrying, when u open it have a slat of plywood in it so you can jam that diagonally to stop it collapsing. The inner space volume of the box should also amplify your sound as it bounces from the inside back of the box back to your ear (tilting box will improve line of sound). If you cannot fold it for carrying, you just have to put your tinas in the cardboard box when bringing gear from the car and set it up next to you and the top might even be firm enough to put yr drink on ... wooden slat again. A home made variant on this but with opaque reflective material which will bounce away other’s noise and bounce your sound back to you. http://www.zzounds.com/item--SEEPSRF Or at a more serious professional level it is alleged gesticulating Italian opera singers are known to use one of these as a spare hand over their ear to hear themselves: The box above is just another version of the singer putting hand between ear and side of mouth to block out noise and hear what they they themselves are singing. Harmonica players use the same technique to hear what they are playing amid noise of the crowd and to keep in key. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Giant-Foam-Hand-Blanks-Pack-of-3-/280864090807?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Celebrations_Occasions_ET&hash=item4164cdeab7

Ambiguity is the essence of English humour. I assumed it was a respectful euphemism for our "older" elder statesperson members There is another freereed wind phrase that does not come fully to mind at the moment; something like 'old ????' It's on the tip of my tongue! Dash it! "Vintage"? "Classic"? Actually, I thought "advanced" referred to accomplishments, not age. "Beauty's ensign yet Is crimson in thy lips and in thy cheeks, And death's pale flag is not advanced there" by (allegedly )that chappie from Stratford who's all over the telly at the moment

Ask and it shall be given. (you must have a kindle 1 or 2 if there's no wifi - guess you can email to a PC/Mac App to get a doc translated - or download "Calibre", then drag onto the kindle via the usb port) There's a very nice large screen kindle (the kindle DX with a 10" screen ie nearly A4) only available in the US, but apparently musicians are using this to display sheet musicand you can even get a foot pedal operated page turner - all very expensive. Soundwise.... the kindle 3 (but not the latest kindle 4) will play mp3's on a headphone socket (I've never bothered) or read books aloud (ditto), but this is a text to voice program and not briliiant, sounds like a cross between stephen hawking and a satnav. It wouldn't play sheet music, though there's a computer in all these things and a few hacks are available to do other things. Ideally someone needs to write a Tune-a-tron App - but I think an IPad would be a better bet for that. Chris Brill! How else can I tku but with this....?: http://youtu.be/paeUZvhs9wo ps - good example of how difficult doing something simple is. I had to stop making mistakes playing (ho ho), record, put sd card from zoom into laptop, download into windows moveiemaker, title it to trick utube into thinking it was a video, edit out 90 per cent (mistakes!!)save it as a movie file, open it in a video converter to turn into an mp3, spend 10 minutes while cnet refused to accept the mp3 attachment (I thought it c/should....) go out to get bread and milk, start again by trying to rename the file and upload to cnet and fail again. Go back to the wmv moviemaker file, check there was no copyright issue (written in 1939 so that's ok!) go to utube, log in, upload to utube... So roll on radio transfers! But of course this was done for lurve not profit! and finally. This is going back 20 years. Take one fm radio with built-in casette player/recorder. Put a GBP11.95 (bought on Brick Lane market) radio microphone in conference room and turn on before the meeting starts. Retire to work rooms in the basement of the palace (Brussels). Take off suit jacket and tie, pour a glass of wine, light up your ciggy, sample a few sandwiches provided for de workers, sit in comfortable chair, tune in the radio (I think it is 98.4) and you can listen to the conference in complete comfort and make notes to write up the official rapport of the meeting later. And the signal reached through two concrete floors if I remember correctly and about 20 yards distance. And it seems now you can do it singing in the rain! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MICROPHONE-FM-SHOWER-RADIO-PINK-Chrome-Waterproof-/220960302545?pt=UK_AudioVisualElectronics_PortableAudio_Radios&hash=item337242a5d1 You can adapt this strategy where you want to archive three sessions going on (or at a multi-session festival from the "command room") by putting a mic in all three and record em (and monitor with an earpiece in your own session simultaneously). Now whether three or more radio signals from three or more mics can be handled by one wifi-ed laptop instead of radio and cassette is summat I don't know... I must check out with my guru who built this little operation with a "correlator" which brings all the note signals together and sorts em as they come in from Little Green Squeezers pulsarating across the IGCA (InterGalactic Concertina Association- a new member group of the ICA). After the "GMRT"'s 30 horns have swung into play (some say it is the Galactic Music Radio Transmission service) and fed the correlator the notes are turned into dots on a screen! There are 30 of these little earth fellahs over a distance of 25km (photo half way down first page) http://www.trekdi.com/index.php?option=com_seminar&Itemid=142&task=3&cid=154 And that radio signal correlator: http://www.gmrt.ncra.tifr.res.in/gmrt_hpage/sub_system/corr/IMH/main/frames.html This is further proof that the first messages from space will be from green squeezers playing Twinkle, twinkle on a concertina. For new cnet members there is a range of pictures of concertinas in space scattered across the forum - really!

Ambiguity is the essence of English humour. I assumed it was a respectful euphemism for our "older" elder statesperson members There is another freereed wind phrase that does not come fully to mind at the moment; something like 'old ????' It's on the tip of my tongue! Dash it!

I assume it's the "master" angle your are really considering. I will talk to me e-book format preparers* as they may have some thoughts. They take your (Word/or any other)file but Word would be easiest for you praps. They process it so that it comes out at the other e-end as a file formatted to work on a range of e-readers. A word file can include text and scans/photos of scores of course. you could then print it out. This could then be bound most cheaply (I think) and attractively solid and posh looking as a thesis volume with usual gold lettering on the outside. You could also do your own gold lettering/design on the outside - watch out for a secondhand set of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-16-8MM-Letter-Steel-Stamp-Die-Punch-Set-A-Z-27-pcs-Part-Codes-/160774136031?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item256ee2a0df A couple of us used to repaier and rebind and title books this way at school.) And some Uni thesis producers will also print as well as bind for you. I know that is A4 usually. (I assume you are not after vellum but if so there is an order of enclosed nuns in Switzerland I know who work in their little wooden cabins all day and will also do all the text in gold lettering with suitable pics!) * Will take a little time as they were showing at the London Book Fair and probably still recovering. If memory serves me right they told me three years ago when I helped them do some trials on various language booky-texts with drawings, that to convert a book, so that it is all formatted and ready to use/print/view on e-reader, they would charge an "individual" author about 30 quid. it takes summat like a minute to whiz through their system. BUT I do not know whether they have done any with muzack content in A3 - hence the need to check. For local binding costs (let us know result!) http://duckduckgo.com/?q=thesis+printing+and+binding+university+of+christchurch

I do not fear Geekesses bearing gifts! I understood that a few Green bottles discreetly handed around "The Bridge" -- "You have the Con (certina) Ms Spinemdizzy" -- usually overcame this issue! OK: - alas the ABC letters per se would not help me forward that much. But what happens if you put the dots into Kindle (the model we have has no wifi it seems), as they appear in non pdf after first submit in tunetron? (forgotten how make this show up on screen like you - sorry.) e.g. would that be readable? And of course most ABC toons in this format are much shorter so easier to fit and blow up (perhaps they can be turned on their side to view. Kindle can allegedly play back tunes pretending to be audio books (true or fale? ) so would the midi file store and open too ? One could then hear through an earpiece to recall the melody. Getting excited as one would soon get Kindle cost back in savings on time and printing dots out on paper). Two years ago at Anglesey, accordion/melodica player/singer George had loads of lyrics on his phone screen and two people could read em clear enough to duet. I have found that Japanese and Chinese make far more use of this kind of phone facility - partly perhaps because Japanese i-mode was around long before any equivalent in Europe. Chinese use particuarly for translating to and from Eng/Chinese pictograms with pronunciation thrown in. Await your next display to Kindle my fire ta. PS I wish I had a bigger screen so I could read the tiny fonts I have to use here -- and so avoid typos!

That gives me an idea I have an ABC crib sheet (just the first few bars of each tune). I will try emailing to the kindle (or run it through Calibre) and see how it turns out (I was just going to pdf it, but if it's put into kinfle form it can use all the font scaling stuff. I'll let you know how it gets on (after all you can get book reading apps for the other devices) (I do have pdf's of the dots for some tunes on the kindle but haven't made the effort to get many there yet) Chris Edited to add that I have just sent the word document that is my ABC crib sheet to the kindle and the results are excellent! V useful discussion Chris and others, as my arm muscles struggle ever more with cloth bag jammed with paper and scores and plastic folders and song books which I mix up and can't sort on the floor at my feet.... Am also told pdfs on the Kindle are pretty unreadable. R u saying you are putting just the letters of the ABC through or the dots as they appear on first submitting through tuneotron or whatever? Be interesting to see a photo of the Word doc which you are seeing so well on the Kindle... please? Can u beam it over? Which takes me to next question to eliminate paper: There are 10 musicians (with green ale bottles obviously)sitting on wall outside the hyper-speed radio broadband enabled control room of the Lovell telescope. One says - "I have jusshtt wrote thish great new tune, "Shtartel". It goes something like "Dwink up, dwink up, little shhhtaar...." Anyone want the dots and midi to take home? (let's put to side the learn by ear issue...). I am told (by my adjacent expert) you can web access from some web-enabled Kindles but navigation is 'awful -like trying to swim The Channel wearing only water wings'. Nor can they download onto a memory stick from their Ipad (it has no usb socket) to pass that stick round the group. That said, if the 10 have some kind of web enabled device then presumably the composer could put the dots and midi immediately up on Cnet and the others would then log in and just download it from Cnet. If photoed earlier with their mobile phone (or do it there and then from the single sheet of paper in their pocket ) they could phone-send it to others directly (but number-cumbersome for 10 present and murder if there were 50 musicians in the room as at EMCW Scout Hall). Or if there are smartphones then use the upload to Cnet approach. The "ear" midi version could be similarly uploaded for those who glaze over at just the dots (such as myself after 10 green bottles....) At Eurosessions at Whitby, where unusual toons turned up regularly on the hoof, sometimes they had been printed out (before Whitby) and were passed around the room. Folk could have a gander at the dots and then they got played a few tunes later, led by the lead player/singer; or or work on toon for playing the next day....or just to take em home. It was noticeable that when people had the dots (even just to follow the up and down flow as it was played first time by the originator, by the second run through, 80 per cent of the room were playing along and by the third run through there were few who did not have it under control and thoroughly enjoying it. At Anglesey, where generally a piece only got played through twice (and without dots distributed) when it was a little known, new tune it meant just a few people managed to get fully on board before the playing was over, which was a great pity. Perhaps the e-approach would be more efficient for the e-equipped, ensure new toons got more 'use and exposure' and better retention in the 'collective memory' and certainly save a lot of finding, setting up and printing out. It would also save writing down email addresses on scraps of paper to send them aftet getting home == if you still have the scrap of paper. Any other e=dissemination possibles? :rolleyes: