des tracey
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I’d like to repair the original case which came with my concertina.
Unfortunately , the leather case hinge has torn, the handle is missing as is the tongue that would hold the male part of the lock.
I’m wondering if anyone has any experience of sourcing the missing part that mates with the lock mechanism?
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Stephen Chambers
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The concertina has now been sold through an Irish website.
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NOW SOLDJeffries Bros Praed St 32 key C/G Anglo concertina
Selling my concertina as I also have a bone button box which suits my hands a little better.
This concertina was bought earlier this year from The Accordion Centre in Birmingham, ad is still on site:
http://accordioncentre.com/acb/buying-and-selling/our-products/product/jeffries-cg-code-cus02/?
The concertina is slightly larger 6 3/8” across the ends than my bone button Jeffries which is 6”. (See pic of both)
It is also a bit heavier, 152.5 grams approx.
This is a powerful concertina and as loud and responsive as I have heard from any Jeffries.
The C# button on the right accidental row is on the push with D# on the pull.
The concertina was restored by the Dippers (can’t tell which year, but the bellows does have a serial number and perhaps Rosalie Dipper could provide the details).
Consequently, this is like having a hundred year + new Jeffries concertina.
New bellows, pads, valves etc renewed making it airtight, responsive and loud.
This concertina needs nothing and will hold its own in any session.
Asking €7,500.
I am based in Kerry but can travel (reasonable distance) to demonstrate. Will ship overseas, Shipping and insurance at buyers expense.
I will be happy to provide this concertina on a weeks approval basis.
Pictures on Dropbox here
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7z0l8e8weapnz16/Photo%2028-11-2021%2C%2015%2051%2055.jpg?dl=0
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Concertina now sold and donation made to C.Net.
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Thank you for that, very nice, I hadn’t seen one before.
same era as my two I would guess.Is it a good player?
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Jones
Jones 26 key rosewood ended anglo in C/G.
This concertina has ornate fretwork ends in excellent condition and comfortable sized bushed buttons.
It has six fold original bellows in great shape.
It has just been fitted with new pads and valves and tuned (from old pitch) to concert pitch.
It has very little wear on it, seems to have had a sheltered life and there is no damage or signs of any repairs.
The sound is less strident than some Lachenals but has a lovely warmth and woody tone.
Hear a couple of tunes on this concertina played by my repairer/tuner:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fq8rllvydaucac2/AUDIO-2021-03-05-16-02-48.m4a?dl=0
It has its original wooden box, but the lock is not working, however, it would serve well for shipping.
The concertina is in Ireland and can be shipped ( at buyers expense) to other countries.
This is a lovely playing and sounding concertina, with good original concertina reeds. It is lightweight (101.8 g, or 36 oz) which makes it comfortable to play. It is being sold to help fund recent upgrade.
Price €930
Additional pictures may be seen in my DropBox folder
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6n0f6abkmj9uqm8/AAAAa8J1mk77pHHkqVogi1kXa?dl=0
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Sunbeamer, I have never seen a 20 button metal-ended Jeffries. Any chance you could post some more pics of the instrument please?
Are the dimensions similar to 30 button instruments?
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Bill, I think you'll find that it sold for $600 and the practice with Skinners is to publish the price including commission.
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Concertina now sold, donation made to c.net.
Thanks to all for your interest.
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Greg,
I didn't try to remove the verdigris as I figured I might interfere with the tuning and that's an area that I don't feel competent to meddle with.
The buttonholes in the ends have been bushed with a black felt.
Des
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Jones 34 button Rosewood ended Anglo in the keys of G & D with two 2 drones, each tuned in G but an octave apart and 2 novelty buttons with a cry and whistle.
Nickel silver buttons and 7 fold bellows.
I don't have a history on the concertina, but the previous owner passed on and left it to a non playing relative. I have been told that it hadn't been played in a number of years. A few notes were a bit squeaky, but are now sorted.
On examination, it would appear to have been overhauled and retuned to G/D concert pitch.
I don't know what the original keys were.
There appears to be very little wear on the concertina since overhaul.
Internally it is stamped with Colin & Rosalie Dippers stamps and the bellows is Dipper (probably made in 1997 per the inscription). It is most likely that the rest of the work done was by the Dippers, but I haven't tried to confirm this.
As well as the bellows, the ends have been refinished, new handstraps, springs, pads and valves fitted.
The old Jones air button trap door has been replaced with a regular pad, see pics.
The concertina plays nicely with a lovely tone especially on chords.
It comes in a blocked hard case as shown.
Asking £1600 or best offer.
Appropriate donation to cnet if sold.
Pictures at
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lcbotzzgnl2zt9e/AACoIEEw4GPVetnZjprjxwOra?dl=0
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Jody,
I can't help you with the legalities, but Irish doors have featured on posters and doormats, as in this link;
http://www.irishcalendars.ie/products/doors-of-dublin-placemats
Perhaps the publishers, should you contact them might have experience/advice to offer.
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Simon
I was fortunate enough to be at the concert. Great stuff and your individual performance was a revelation to a lot of the audience, many of whom would only have heard concertina on an anglo.
The ensemble piece was like a breath of fresh air.
Well done!
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Notemaker,
I have no affiliation with Ben, the seller of the concertinas in question, however, I do know that he has been dealing in these Wheatstone concertinas from South Africa for some time. I also know that he has a fine reputation to uphold.
I believe that your characterisation of the condition of the instruments shown is at the very least 'lazy' and at worst insulting.
While I don't play a 20th century Wheatstone concertina, I do know that they can be very fine instruments, equal to, in many cases newly made concertinas.
As for them harbouring diseases, I would suggest that the pubs in which many sessions are held would be more likely to present a danger to one's health than the instruments.
Many people in their right minds with large sums of money to spend have parted with same in exchange for vintage instruments on the basis that they preferred the instrument in question as opposed to ordering a new one and waiting on the prevailing list.
It is true that a lot of old instruments require attention, but this can be factored into the price and there is very little in a concertina, with the possible exception of the reeds that cannot be improved upon, when required by a competent concertina repairman.
As for the Irish exponents of the little box favouring the newly made instruments, this may be a factor of 'use and abuse. By this I mean that real quality vintage instruments are a finite resource, while new instruments continue to be made and can be ordered. Therefore, players 'heavy weight sessionistas' as you describe them may be loathe to expose their treasured vintage instruments to the ravages of the pub scene, preferring to use their replaceable modern instruments. However, I do know some of these people and I believe that there still exists a great respect and admiration among them for quality vintage instruments, which when the chance presents results in the same heavyweights snapping them up.
Your sentiments are reminiscent of Sean Garvey's (of All About Accordions fame - an Irish based concertina/accordion business) recent comments in the publication Irish Music Magazine suggesting that these (vintage concertinas) should be left in the English Auction houses.
Your attitude and that of Mr Garvey fails to take into account that vintage concertinas were quite expensive instruments when made and were made, in most cases to the highest standards by craftsmen skilled at their professions using materials of the highest qualities to cater for a market that was prepared to pay handsomely for a top-quality instrument.
Are we to now ignore these facts and assign all vintage instruments to the shelves of collectors to be viewed as historical oddities?
In my case I will continue to play my 19th century Jeffries anglo, having disposed of a recently acquired top-quality newly made concertina.
The reason?
I prefer my old concertina, I prefer the tone, the action and the experience of playing it and I don't see myself parting with it despite having access to new instruments.
Finally, if we were to apply your attitude to all vintage instruments, there would be a few very nervous Stradavari owners out there!
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Hello all,
I think Paul is somewhat modest in stating that he has spent some time listening and playing traditional music. The truth is Paul is a wonderful musician and teacher whose teaching and playing contributions helped keep concertina music vibrant in the Boston area for a number of years as well as playing and hosting traditional sessions in that city.
He is also a mine of knowledge on various instruments historically and technically, particularly concertina.
He is a patient and dedicated teacher and I would encourage anyone intent on improving their abilities on that instrument and who might be attending the festival to take advantage of a workshop with Paul.
East Galway music is well worth getting to know and I hope all those attending enjoy the experience.
Unfortunately, I am a little too far removed from Nashvile (Dublin Ireland).
Des Tracey
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This concertina is still for sale and as previously indicated will not be advertised anywhere else
Good luck with the sale Mark.
Its good to see integrity in the selling process.
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Information on William Jeffries seems to be rather scarce.
I owned a Willliam Jeffries until recently and it gave rise to a number of questions regarding William Jeffries role.
The concertina had many Wheatstone feaures including Wheatstone sized bellows, Wheatstone type action etc. which may have indicated that W. Jeffries was working with parts which came to hand, possibly through the back door of Wheatstones or perhaps, as some have suugested that he did some work for Wheatstone, he may have bought the parts from them. Whatever the truth is, the concertina in question is very well made and after refurbishment by Colin & Rosalie Dipper (who remained faithful to the historical instrument) plays extremely well.
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HELP!
I have two Concertinas in need of attention, but I've just heard back from Chris Algar who says he is snowed under & can't take them on!
So my question is, who would you guys recommend?
One just needs to be tuned, but the other will need a bit more attention.
Cheers
Ptarmi
P.S. If you prefer, a private E-mail response would be fine.
I too have availed of Dave Prebble's talents. I had two Lachenal rosewood ended anglos refurbished, including all the type of work mentioned by Cocusflute and in one case metal buttons substituted for old bone buttons, which required bushings. I can testify that the boxes came back as good as, if not better than original.
They played really well and looked wonderful.
I have also had a metal ended Salvation Army Lachenal Aflat/Eflat refurbished by Dave.It needed a lot of work but is now a really great sounding instrument on a par with many of the premium named concertinas.
Dave is a member of this forum and can be contacted by email.
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You're totally in the right, Des, and you are certainly not a prig for expecting fair play.
Your mistake was failing to remove the item from your watch list and then forgetting it as soon and as completely as possible once you saw the 'clever' bits. Just walk away and let others bid if they are willing.
Not to belabor the point, but I don't see what was unfair or not fair play. I offered the instrument on this board before the auction for a thousand dollars less than it sold for, even on a wholesale basis. I put it on EBay expecting that somebody here might still have wanted to buy it at the lower price, after the auction
started. In which case I'd have taken it out of auction, sent money to this site, and a board member would have gotten a great deal on a good instrument. That is why I didn't post a reserve with EBay. I'd have had to pay up front fees for a reserve I might not have used. I did say within the text that I had a reserve, one which matched the selling price on this forum. What was devious about that?
I also said upfront on EBay that I was offering the instrument on another venue -- this one -- and that I reserved the right to remove the concertina from auction in the event that one of us might have wanted it after the auction started. I knew, as I had been advised by other players and sometime dealers, that the instrument would sell on the open market for more than my asking price on this forum.
Tell me please, what was unfair about what I did? How was my bet hedged? What was not clear, or what was underhanded?
I think that the point has been belabored.
I think that eBay is tricky enough to deal with (it's wild out there in eBay land...quote from you in previous thread), without people making up their own rules. Your rationale above is wonderful and I'm sure that your motive in offering it for sale on this forum on 25/3/08, (on eBay 26/3/08) borders on philantropic. It's nice to have the luxury of time to rationalize as you seem to have done in a previous eBay tarnsaction.
Jun 11 2004, 01:27 PM
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The putative large sale on Ebay of the 32 button Jeffries anglo did not happen. I made a stupid mistake. Thinking I was bidding in dollars, I bid a reasonable, but unwitting, amount in GBP that translated into $7,000 +. I apologized profusively to the seller, who responded with a rude message. I continued to apologize and offered to contact the underbidder, which I did"
I think that I wil take Dirge's advice and in the future, walk away from auctions that are questionable.
I will not be addressing this issue again.
1926 Wheatstone anglo case repair
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Thank you Alex and Adrian, I may have found a source and if not, I may have a go at creating a piece as shown.