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  1. Suttner E1 English Concertina Jürgen Suttner #215 Hexagonal Standard Treble 48 German Silver Buttons Silver Metal Ends 6-fold Goatskin Bellows May 2004 As-new Original Condition No scratches, blemishes, or tarnishing http://www.suttnerconcertinas.com/prices.html From Suttner Web Site Catalog Description E1: English concertina • Keys: 48 buttons, solid German silver • Ends: raised hardwood ends in black or raised German Silver ends • Bellows: 6-fold leather bellows, goatskin • Tuning: treble tuning, range from g to c''''; tenor tuning, range from c to f''' • Levers: riveted • Reeds: single steel reeds in brass frames • Reed pan construction: Wheatstone construction, reed chambers in a circle • Size: 160 mm diameter (6.3 in.) • Six-sided New @ 2005 price: EUR = 4,390 GBP = 3,015 USD = 5,295 This one - 85% of new price: EUR = 3,750 GBP = 2,575 USD = 4,500 Buyer responsible for the cost of shipping and insurance and any duties applied Please e-mail with any questions and expressions of interest. Be Well, Dan
  2. Hello Kay and Todd, I suggest that you consider contacting Chris Algar at Barleycorn concertinas. I know that he has many Tenor-Trebles, two of which are extraordinary Aeolas which I traded to him not very long ago. His web site is: http://barleycorn.irish-music.net/ He's very responsive to e-mail inquiries and most amenable to phone calls. I have no financial interest in this. He's just a fine person and a fair business person who provides great service and has a cottage full of concertinas. Best wishes on your search. Be Well, Dan
  3. Hello Roy and All, I don't know whether to say "hot damn" or "way cool" or both! Thanks, Roy. Be Well, Dan
  4. Hello All, Sufficient replies received. Thanks for the inquiries. Be Well, Dan
  5. "some members on this site have paid up front the whole asking price" Al, Not to mince words too finely; but to me, this sounds far more like a "purchase" than a "deposit." Be Well, Dan edited to add "quote"
  6. Al, Your comments prompted me to think a bit more about the waiting lists that I've been on and am on. I actually don't recall anyone taking any money from me as a deposit for any mandolin or concertina. Without exception, I recall the nominal sums that I have paid to builders to be for reservations - my name on a list - and not necessarily an exact position in a chronological queue. I've simply regarded this as a "pay-to-play" reservation fee and nothing more. Consider a reservation fee for a hotel room - my personal favorite. They take a credit card number, tell you that YOU must cancel not later than a specified period in advance of your first night's lodging or they will charge your card. Then they take down all of your preferences and then proceed to tell you that they cannot guarantee you any of your preferences or any specific room or bedding type or room location. You will get what is, hopefully, available - in essence, before anyone without a reservation. And what about advance non-refundable reservation fees for music festivals. Anyone you know have a change in their plans and not make it to the hotel or the music festival. So, while I agree that paying a deposit for an instrument is "betting on the come," I do believe there is a reasonable place for a reservation fee. Perhaps this is just symantics or splitting hairs, but reservation fees are replete in our lives and normative in business practice where payment for services are "at risk." Reservation fees are just that - a fee paid for preferable consideration at a later date. It typically guarantees little or nothing in substance. As for waiting lists, I repeat, the only guarantee that they afford is the assurance of a wait. Be Well, Dan
  7. Hello All, From someone who has been, is, and will continue to be on "the waiting list," I think conversation is the best consolation for those frustrated by the waiting. Greg said something similar in another thread. Acceptance of the fact that even "being on a waiting list is actually a privilege" is the best perspective, I think. Through the years, I have been on no fewer than a dozen waititng lists for mandolins and concertinas. Not a single one has been delivered "on time." But each has been truly extraordinary when I have received it. Exceptional craftsmanship takes time and there are innumerable variables that can cause delays. The wait, in each and every case, has always been worth it. I am thrilled that I am even on the lists of the "elite" makers. It gives me instruments to look forward to - instruments that I would likely not be able to acquire on the resale market - and time to save the money to pay for them. Each builder seems to have his/her own cueing system that works for him/her. Why should anyone but the builder determine this? As for limiting instruments to "one per," the mandolin market has demonstrated that this practice does not work as the new owner - rather than the builder - simply proffers the instrument to the highest (earlier implied, "wealthiest") buyer and pockets the profits rather than the builder receiving the "current" competitive value of the instrument. There have been exhaustive rants about this in the mandolin community. Ergo, "rich collectors" (aka, the "enemy" of the player, it seems - in both the mandolin and concertina communities) do not need proxies. After getting caught in this shuffle, the generally-regarded top three mandolin builders in the world now do just what was earlier suggested. They build only a limited number of instruments as they determine, according to their own specifications and tastes and interests at the moment, and make it available when it is completed - one at a time. They are now receiving more than three times the market-adjusted value for their mandolins than they were selling for when they had waiting lists just a few years ago. The market will take care of itself - depending on demand and capacity. Waiting lists will continue to grow and prices will increase. And somewhere amidst all that, we can only hope that an equitable balance is reached for all involved. I would simply suggest that "if one is not prepared to wait, don't get on a waiting list" and "the only guarantee a waiting list affords is the guarantee of a wait - usually of indeterminable duration." It certainly doesn't guarantee one the "right" to an instrument nor does it assure delivery at any time certain. Be Well, Dan Edited for syntax
  8. Hello All, I posted in the other thread wherein I used the word "special" in reference to the concertina I hope to one day receive from the Dippers. Mine is not an altered fingering layout or one-off design. It is simply not an Anglo which Colin considers his "standard" model. Mine will, hopefully, be a treble Edeophone English of Amboyna wood and gold hardware. In our conversations, Colin refers to this instrument as a "special" as it is not the standard Anglo. Hope this helps, at least as far as I understand Colin's classification of my concertina. Be Well, Dan
  9. Hello Oddball, et.al., I wish to say that the situation described is quite consistent with my own which I find very satisfying. That your instrument is a "special" (as Colin describes them) e.g., not the typical Anglo, clearly puts you and me and anyone else who wishes to have a "Special" Dipper - as if each one isn't - at a great disadvantage. Colin has consistently been very forthright in his comments to me over the years that "specials" are not a priority for him and they will only come extremely few and very far between - if ever. Accordingly, he has accepted nothing from me but my name to put on a list. Each time I have spoken to him, he has been consistent in his message and professional and congenial in it's delivery. And I respect him greatly! I grant you that a Dipper is truly a concertina to behold and to cherish - and perhaps like no other to some. I think there are others equally satisfying with and without the mystique. That there are others does not diminish my desire for one of Colin's and Rosalie's (spelling-?), however. That said, I think there is something to be said for keeping one instrument in perspective and not allowing my lust for it to diminish my joy from the many other exceptional isntruments that are available. And there are others - in my opinion. Oddball, I appreciate - on some level - you comment, "I badly need to share my misery, my anger and my frustration..." but, frankly, the richness and joy in life and music is greater than this. So, put it in perspective and decide if it's worth the wait - even if you never receive one ('cause there can be joy just in the waiting/anticipation) OR that you've had enough and it's time to move on and focus on a concertina you can enjoy. If it helps, I'll buy you out of any deposit you have with Colin (if you ordered at a time when he accepted deposits). That will double my own odds at getting my "special" someday! (I am serious about buying you out. Even ten years at a couple of percent annual earnings isn't that much. Just contact me directly.) Be Well, Dan
  10. Helen, In Yiddish, it's called a "shiddach." (pronounced like "Bach") Dan
  11. Hello Richard, Thank you for replying to my request for information. The explanation is fascinating. Never really thought of aerodynamics being applied in this way. Pretty complex little boxes! With appreciation, Dan
  12. Hello Richard, I would like to understand dynamics and physics of the re-tuning necessitated by the re-valving process. Please explain a bit when you get a minute. Thanks. Be Well, Dan
  13. Hello All, Henk and Paul, Thanks for your comments and perspectives. Please allow me to clarify what may appear to be contracdictory remarks. Posting for sale here is one matter. Referring/linking to eBay is quite another. It is the latter to which I object, not the former. Multiple listings are one matter. Cross-marketing is another. Freedom of access is one matter. Free marketing is yet another. As for support of this site, my comments were not specifically directed at any individual(s) - especially Paul, whom I do not know. However, it is well documented on this site that few actually make contributions or observe Paul's recommendations regarding financial support when one benefits from selling through this site. There are even periodic, timely, and thoughtfully-placed reminders that appear here and there. My comments regarding this matter are general - and not personal - in any way. Be Well, Dan edited for typos
  14. Hello All, Perhaps I'm just "old school," but I find the practice of listing an instrument on eBay and then listing a "pointer" to eBay here after the instrument has had little or no activity there most distasteful. And it's increasing in frequency. No other classified site that I frequent permits this. The most definitive about it is the Mandolin Cafe Classifieds. Absolutely NO referrals to eBay there. I do understand the "exposure to the broader market" concept. And if that's what one wants as a buyer, that's all well and good. But when the the "broader market" doesn't show the interest the seller hopes for, then it's back here to the "old faithful" to "drum-up" some business. Paul and Ken, I encourage you to consider eliminating these referrals. This is a free site and it seems that if individuals think that it is useful to promote the sale of their instruments both here and on eBay, the listing and selling fee that they are paying to eBay should not be subsidized by this site. Besides, they're annoying. If people want to list both places at the same time, that's their business. I'm not suggesting any "restraint of trade." But to direct potential buyers to eBay from this site and to use this site as some sort of "credibility certificate" is inappropriate in my opinion. Soon enough, the fraudulent sellers on eBay will attempt to do the same. To those I may offend, my apology. But I do believe this practice is simply disrespectful to this site and irresponsible on the part of the sellers to use it for their own gain while paying a fee to eBay and nothing to support this site. Enough of my soapbox. Be Well, Dan Edited for typing error
  15. Hello All, Anton, For perspective ... I am an accomplished mandolin player, an advanced player of woodwinds and piano, and a hack guitar player. When I became interested in concertina, I engaged in a fact-finding journey much the same as you have initiated. I received both preferential and reasoned replies from many people here and elsewhere. The three most helpful replies were frequent: What music do you play? Do you know anyone who plays/owns a concertina that you can try? Find concertinas to play before you make a choice. In the end, the English system suited my primary musical genre and "motor psyche" best. As you are in the US, the Button Box - Doug & Alice (associated with Richard) - and Bob Tedrow are all genuinely nice people who are more interested in helping you than selling an instrument to you. Each of those individuals helped me immensely and Bob's humor is an added treat. If you have an unlimited long distance plan, Chris Algar and Wim Wakker are equally accommodating and knowledgable. Each of them has helped me immeasurably. All of these individuals were extraordinarily genersous with their time and expertise and perspective. To be sure, others also assisted and advised me, but the individuals named were the ones who were most available in the early months of my exploration. So, my counsel is to talk to knowledgable players in your primary genre, dealers, and makers. Each of the folks above are players (though perhaps not in your genre), dealers, and makers or repairers. Then buy or rent your instrument from one of them or someone else like them, so that they can make a living and be around for the next individuals like you and me who decide to embrace this wonderful little instrument. In summary: Try before you buy. Talk to smart, experienced individuals. Support someone who was generous and willing to help you. I hope this helps ... and after reading it, I guess I wrote it just as much to recognize at least a few individuals who collectively represent the wonderful character of the folks around this site and around these instruments. Best wishes on your pursuits, Anton. Be Well, Everybody. Dan
  16. Brian, In my experience, you determine a price that is acceptable to you AND fair to BOTH you AND a buyer. You will likely sell it around here where the people can be trusted Establsih a price and post it with a comprehensive description including photos. Post it here AND under the Buy and Sell classifieds via the front page where potential buyers can readily see it. If you post it, they will (likely) come. Assuming your price is fair for your particular instrument Be Well, Dan
  17. Hello Jim, My plan is for a 42-button standard English system configuration from the F below-middel-C (left hand) to the E two octaves above middle C (left hand). The reeds, however, will be one octave higher in each location thus produncing a smaller instrument that will ideally serve as a wonderful little traveling companion while providing all of the notes (albeit an octave higher) that I typically use in my general playing. Elevated consistentcy in a smaller package, I hope. Thanks for asking. I welcome your observations, analysis, comments, and suggesitons. Be Well, Dan P.S.: Theo, Thank you for your reply. I've sent you an e-mail as requested.
  18. Hello, I am seeking an English system extended treble for the reeds and frames it can provide to a new piccolo English concertina. If usable, the buttons and finger rests will be incorporated into the new piccolo, but only the reeds and frames on the extended need be in usable condition as everything else on the piccolo can be newly crafted. I will appreciate all offers and referrals. Be Well, Dan
  19. Hello, I am seeking an English system extended treble for the reeds and frames it can provide to a new piccolo English concertina. If usable, the buttons and finger rests will be incorporated into the new piccolo, but only the reeds and frames on the extended need be in usable condition as everything else on the piccolo can be newly crafted. I will appreciate all offers and referrals. Be Well, Dan
  20. Hello, I've just acquired Bruce's Wheatstone Tenor #33402 and on the right side mounted above the Wheatstone plate is anonther long narrow metal plate that reads: "S/M. SPECIAL" Please see photo below. I am curious if anyone knows the meaning of this designation. Thanks. Be Well, Dan
  21. SEEKING: Suttner E1 English with Wooden Ends All contacts and referrals appreciated
  22. Hello Stephen, Is the map "accessible" these days? Be Well, Dan
  23. Hello All, I asked this in the 64-button Wheatstone topic and then decided it warrants its own topic.. Is there an existing thread or other explanation on this site or elsewhere that explains the columns, designations, and abbreviations in the Wheatstone ledgers? If so, please note the source and I will proceed there. If not, will someone, please explain, describe, define (whatever the correct term is) the meaning of the designations and abbreviations, e.g., the SV, WS on the 64-button Wheatstone concertina of note and numerous others throughout the ledger. Thanks. Be Well, Dan
  24. Hello All, This is a bit off-topic, but related. Is there an existing thread or other explanation on this site or elsewhere that explains the columns, designations, and abbreviations in the Wheatstone ledgers? If so, please note the source and I will proceed there. If not, will someone, please explain, describe, define (whatever the correct term is) the meaning of the designations and abbreviations, e.g., the SV, WS on this concertina and numerous others throughout the ledger. Thanks. Be Well, Dan
  25. Hello All, Just seems like it's time to post this again. STILL LOOKING: Amboyna/Gold Aeola or Edeophone English Treble - Standard, TT, or Extended Any and all instruments and referrals appreciated - individuals and dealers. Be Well, Dan
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