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  1. If you have some sort of phone or computer. You should be able to download a free synth app. Or even a concertina app. And do some chanting over both to see what may work totally. And also, possibly by hitting various keys, get a feeling for your singing range. and I was thinking primarily of a synth tone with some slight lfo to give it some small phasing, pulse swells, filter sweep. So there is something subtle going on to give it enough variation to give it a bit of life.
  2. Your priority will be supporting your singing. So while you may theoretically be able to sing in several keys. There is probably one key/ range that you are most comfortable singing in. In an Anglo selecting the right key/ range can come into play. if, for example you sing best in E flat. You could get a c/g or g/d and struggle. But a Bb/f would be a “more” natural fit for your voice in what would be a closer “home” key. Unlike a guitar tuning down a half step or “capo”-ing up does not work as well on a concertina. in the example you posted above. What I hear is that the organ is being used more a reference tone. Or a constant pitch pipe that everyone is referencing. In this case though. The pitch mostly is above the singers. Which is generally different from a typical drone tends to be under the singers (esp Indian tanpura). And can be easily done on anything. But in that circumstance it may actually may be more interesting done with a synth and some LFO stuff giving a lot more texture and movement. I know that may be sacrilege on this site to say. But as a listener, I’d be much more interested. a concertina as a one note drone for 3-10 minutes would not be all that interesting. As you want to add texture. And have some sort of color and movement. In a chant situation, the instrument has to be there but not in the way. And hitting a single key on a keyboard, stepping on a sustain pedal and concentrating on the singing may be the easiest, cheapest, fastest learning curve and best (tonal) solution.
  3. Agreed. or it could be they are intentionally angling for a more vintage tone. Brass reeds. it would seem odd that they would opt for a solution steel reed brass plates. That many would really not see as optimal. Also adding weight.
  4. From the little I know… Chant does not specify a specific key. That is going to be up to the singer to determine their root note/ tonic/ base note. And then the notation is relative to this starting point. so… it would be helpful for you to try to determine what key you sing in. You may need to enlist a friend to kind of dial that in. if you are pretty much singing in say.. f#, or c# or B.. then an Anglo may get difficult. as for accompaniment. For a chant… I ASSUME.. that you will tend to playing a chord/ drone and then singing on top of that. As (in my extremely limited experience) it tends to be an a capella type thing, you would primarily be using the concertina as more of a drone reference. Much of this may just be a simple one note or that one root note and it’s octave to not get in the way of the singing. Being the same as blowing the pitch pipe. But letting it ring throughout the song. for a folk thing.. I would assume more playing the basic chords and singing on top of that. Then possibly adding some bass walk downs. Or possibly adding some higher, call and response type fills. At its most basic approach. an Anglo or duet. Could work in either situation. But, I would suggest looking seriously at the duet.. and probably am Elise as a starting point.
  5. I have been under the possible misunderstanding that at least in vintage boxes that brass have a “warmer” and softer volume over all. And steel was always reccomended. Unless you specially wanted “that sound”. modern production? No clue. it may be worth asking the maker why they are doing that. And what are the plus/ minuses. And if they would recommend a new brass, or find a used steel model. it would be cool if you get this info to let us all know. Maybe this is a new thing? And cutting edge. Or, it could be completely a sub optimal cost saving measure. to keep a price point of the old model by cutting corners.
  6. I would also add.. there are far more learning resources available for Anglo. But if you are going to learn from Gregorian Chant charts…
  7. you are probably going to be mainly focusing on chords to accompany your singing? I think an Anglo, or a duet would be preferable to English. depending on what key you sing most in could push you towards one Anglo over another c/g d/g Bb/f. then depending on your range of singing and where you think the accompaniment would fit. You may want to look at a tenor/ bari. That said.. a duet, could really be the optimal choice. Mirrored hands gives you easy chords on both hands. The same shapes on each hand. And or chords on one and fills on the other. Which may punctuate your singing. also depending on how you’re wired. Different notes on the push/ pull can be very intuitive. Or completely baffling. both the Anglo and duet offer a lot of potential. They are just different. Anglo as a platform, will give you more options in terms of moving up and changing scales. The duet, arguably, can play (hypothetically) equally easy in any key, given enough buttons. and will have more shared chords shapes that you just move around.
  8. I guess! To go 100+ years and look like perfect pieces of plastic. ( and I mean plastic in a good way, as in perfect), no pits and uniformity in color. Must have taken a ton of work in sanding and filling and finishing.
  9. Looking at the note layout. and the thing that has stopped me from picking one of these up to try out is that I just don’t see 36 notes as being enough. On the left hand side having limits can force you to get into some interesting chord voicing. but on the right, I’d really like to see an expanded/ extended range. in its “main” key of C you only have 1 octave +6; (A) and then diminishing from there. And then as you go up/ down keys it gets really short. beyond Bb on the flats looks really difficult to manage. better on the sharps side. But limited. Eb and beyond and B you’d need to get very creative. but as a first box, looks good. But it will really depend on music/ song choices as to if it is a long term one box fits all.
  10. This buttons just look too uniform or plastic-ish to be bone to me.
  11. I would probably suggest bi directional. I have not done a lot of research on this. So my conclusions may be way off. But. As bi directional seems to be more standard. It will give you more available options if you grow out of the troubadour and/ or want to look for something with more buttons. in a duet. You are likely to find that more buttons is always better.
  12. I played guitar for a long time. I found the Anglo push pull gives a different note completely baffling to me. The English made a lot more sense. And the having some what got my arms around that have been dabbling with crane. Which seems like an off shoot of an English. And somehow kind of working for me. but it seems that the current accepted standard with the most currently made offerings is the Hayden.
  13. What ever system you decide on. You will need to learn through muscle memory and repetition. where you are starting from zero you won’t have a frame of reference as to what “feels” normal or right. by all accounts the troubadour is a quality box. And the Hayden system has a lot of good things going for it. I would just take the plunge and give it a try.
  14. if an instrument does not somehow inspire you to play it. Then you won’t.
  15. I have really been trying to use it consistently. and I think it is helping. I have found that it is a vital enough piece of hardware for me to have as a Stand alone piece, I did try a few of the free apps for iPhone, but none have been as quick and easy to use as the korg I have. It could just be familiarity. If nothing else being able to hit a stop button without having to unlock the iPad/ phone due to screen makes it worthwhile.
  16. . I am in search of a new metronome. I currently have a korg mm-30, it is digital. About the size of a credit card. Works well. But. I hate it. the digital tone is just annoying. And the squishy buttons are a chore to deal with. I am not against digital at all. I like the ability to easily dial in a specific bpm. And to increase/ decrease by definite increments. And also have the ability to do different times, 5/4 or 7/4. Or dotted 8th. hut looking for something that has more of an analog tick/ click. is there one that anybody out there really likes? I am leaning towards the korg kdm3 or maybe the Wittner piccolo.( I understand it lacks any of the digital type features) but no batteries…
  17. I find the iPad to be useful. And do use it. But for me to get the print big enough to read means a lot of scrolling. it looks like there are a bunch of 13” ebook readers that are probably the thing. But at $700 plus it is a lot of money. The dual page display gvido is made for just this. But at $1600, I could not justify that.
  18. Kind of on topic… is there anything out there as far a an I pad or tablet that does a full page display? And is not ridiculously expensive? I have moved most of my music to electronic format. But, shrinking to fit the page makes it difficult for my aging eyes and constantly scrolling is a pain. is there a solution out there that is in general use?
  19. It really depends on what music you play. to me the uke is the most redundant. As you can capo up to the 5th fret and do everything a uke can do. Tonally, maybe different if you don’t have a nylon string. But still… dobro.. again depends on what music. And tuning. But most can be done well enough with a guitar, and drop tuning. But, if you are not generally doing music that lends itself to the concertina. It is tough to rationalize that. guitar and mandolin can. Pretty much do anything and you can’t “get there” with anything else.
  20. Update. went to BB today, the Crabb there was excellent, I would judge it as at least on par with my 22. Action was excellent. Very light. Very fast. And volume was loud and tone was very crisp and clear. I was very impressed with it. Had I not been looking for something that was fast but quiet. I would have taken it home.
  21. An update. It would seem that I was able to fix the tobacco smell. The solution was playing it every day. Not sure of the timing, you could look back and check dates. But, I traded this today. And an impartial sniffer at BB judged this as passable and acceptable. It went from making me feel unwell and my girlfriend asking if I started smoking again, in the house and complaining about the smell to essentially non existent. A few weeks prior to trading, I had to put my face in front of the exhaust and a full bellows to notice any smell at all and it was minimal. not sure if this is a universal solution. But I can say that it worked for me.
  22. Maybe not ALL are made in the same factory.. but looking a at the jack and sparrow. Sure leads one to speculate.. there may be hundreds of factories in China pumping out concertinas.. doubtful but, possible. but either way, if they are made in China, it may be possible for someone in China to contact the factory, or maybe source locally.
  23. As the concertina connection jack/ Rochelle/ Elise, and I suspect the mcneela models, all come from the same factory in China, maybe you could track one down that way?
  24. I tried that model 8. That was there when I went to buy either the edeophone or Aeola that they had just sold before I got there. overall. I thought it was nice. But, I did not find the action to be substantially improved from my 3E. And no where near the 22.
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