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well done on making your own reeds, that is quite a task that few non pros would attempt. Are the tongues slightly tapered, with a slight trapezoid shape or did you go for a rectangular strip?
Jake
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a friend of mine who graduated from the same course I am doing made a barrel organ, here is a picture http://wyewaltz.org/wiki/images/thumb/6/66/Street_organ_small.jpg/800px-Street_organ_small.jpgunfortunately I never got to hear it play
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Geoffrey... thank you, this is of great interest to me.
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It might be good to design a lever for the anglo which works on a similar principal to an air lever on a hohner melodeon. Its a lever poking straight out of the instruments end, as opposed to parallel to it as the designs shown on here.
There are a couple of problems -the sort of lever I describe is L shaped with the pad on the bottom end of the L - though it is a backwards L so that the mechanism works with thumb movement. This is problematic with a concertina as there is less space, so I would suggest a lever mechanism something like this:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55203562@N02/16396786670/#
The L shaped lever acts upon a classic concertina lever allowing the mechamism to work at a right angle in plan
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We did discuss setting up a forum though decided to make the group on facebook as it would be quicker to attract new people as you say. A forum could be a slow grower but has the potential to be bigger and better than a fb group. It could be a really great thing.
I don't have any knowledge of setting up a website, is it particularly high maintenance or expensive?
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my mum is a graphic artist and was regularly commissioned to simply write one word in a specific artistic way
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though its quite similar to construction and repair - perhaps people working on projects could keep them on construction and repair though also could join the facebook group if they are interested in such a thing.
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we could do but this is a forum for concertinas, I wanted to make a general group about free reeds, however a makers sub forum on this site would also be awesome I agree.
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fair enough. I wasn't sure how else to do it short of creating a whole new forum
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Hello
After an exchange of ideas between me and Łukasz Martynowicz of this forum we thought it might be good to make a facebook group for amateur concertina makers in the hope that like minded individuals can share ideas, provide helpful feedback, criticisms and advice as well as document and display various projects. We thought that perhaps there were not many amateur concertina makers so I decided to call it the " Amateur free reed instrument makers " group. To attract more people, also it might create interactions, synergy and ideas that might not have happened if it was dedicated only to one free reed instrument.
Although the title is "amateur" professionals are of course more than welcome, anyone with interest is welcome to join really.
Want to make your own instrument? Made one and want to talk with like minded people? Come join the group! Here it is: https://www.facebook.com/groups/882333518455395/
Jake
Edit: this is now a facebook "group" rather than "page" I have deleted the page, I am new to making this sort of group on facebook and it should work better now.
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sweet tune. Concertina really adds to the sound
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here is a photo essay where one is disassembled: http://hmi.homewood.net/marcus/
You can see the great craftsmanship present on this
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I have played Marcus instruments and they are very playable, very responsive and very very carefully and beautifully made. I would happily own one.
Marcus is also a really cool dude. I bourght some reeds off him once.
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Jake's partner talking here:
Speaking as a dressmaker lots of garments are sold as hand-made despite using industrial/domestic straight-stitch, overlocking, eyeleting, blind-hemming machines and electric irons, CAD aided (or commercially sold) patterns, etc etc.
In other sphere's hand-made items don't necessarily connote an item made entirely by hand but will often involve the use of some machines. More often hand-made in the western world refers to individual, one off production. So don't be too off put by using hand-made in your description. You are not being devious, but would be in line with lots of other products which are sold as 'hand-made'.
Tries to log off concertina.net quickly before Jake posts....
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If you haven't already I would really recommend reading about the arts and crafts movement. This is pretty much the most influential reaction against industrialisation by designers which has left a great effect in our culture today. The basic idea of it was that William morris and his mates felt that the industrial mass production happening in the 19th century was miserable for the workers and produced an inferior product for the consumer. The movement favoured hand craftsmanship and preferred the idea of the medieval style of working with hand tools and not so much division of labor. There was great nostalgia for the perceived loss of innocence of life within this movement which heralded the medieval ages as the golden age of creativity.
The concertina seems to me to be an industrial instrument, made in a division of labor system in a factory by man operated machine. I think William morris would have hated it.
maybe we could view its industrial heritage as something to be proud of, to celebrate even! Embrace the machine! WAAA!
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This isnt an instrument with an odd number of sides but it is an oddity: http://www.concertina.info/tina.faq/images/haydp.htm
its a 10 sided concertina made by the Dippers
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Got this sorted now. Cheers guys Squeeze on
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Nigel Sture, is he related to lisa sture the champion step dancer? I would be very into hanging around a workshop and talking about projects he is working on.
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Hello people
I am based in Bournemouth and have a couple of anglos in need of a full tuning. Could anyone recommend a spot on great reed tuner for concertinas in the south west?
One instrument is a hybrid and the other has traditional reeds.
Best wishes to you all!
Jake
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I find them easier to play standing up than concertinas.
I would love to hear more about how this is so.
I have never tried a melodeon because I did not think that my neck, shoulders and back could take it. But I do like the sound.
With two shoulder straps the thing is basically attached to your chest and your arms are free to do the work while free from having to bear the majority of the instruments weight. Yesterday I played melodeon constantly for two hours outside while standing. I love playing concertina (anglo) but find that playing standing up is difficult whatever position I try and I cant keep it up for long. I put it down to how you have to support the instrument with your hands, I always find the instrument wants to rock forwards away from me and inwards. playing sitting is fine though. And as I say the musical range of an anglo is better than that of the average 2 or even 2.5 row melodeon so I always saw it as a trade off, each with its own advantages and disadvantages which might not matter to some but might to others.
Some play melodeon with only one shoulder strap, I never really understood that.
If it would be a larger box you might experience a sour left arm as I did, mainly when playing PA, but at times with the 3-row and "club" melodeons too. However, as I play the concertina mainly in a sitting position, I can't really check one situation against the other, albeit playing EC whilst standing up for some tunes never felt similar to that accordion/melodion experience...
my melodeon is a small 8 bass one, with which I manage fine. I can see why the bigger the bass end the more work your left arm must have to do though. Hmm I will stick to the small one then! this bloke plays a melodeon with four extra bass buttons, and with one strap! Though from general session chat I have heard he does experiance back problems because of this. Which is rather in support of what you are saying.
In response to various posts about volume:
I have heard some concertinas that are louder than my melodeon. When in sessions with Chris Timson of this forum his jeffries is easily the loudest thing in the room when he really gives it a work out. But then it is a jeffries.
Melodeons tend to come with a tremolo tuning, which as I have heard was origionally done as an attempt to make louder instruments (i may be historically wrong here) but the fact of the matter is a melodeon tuned with more tremolo is generally louder. But then concertinas do get a lot of volume from being "higher pressure" instruments than melodeons, which I believe is due to their smaller bellows.
In conclusion: In my experience most melodeons are louder than concertinas but not all.
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I find them easier to play standing up than concertinas.
I would love to hear more about how this is so.
I have never tried a melodeon because I did not think that my neck, shoulders and back could take it. But I do like the sound.
With two shoulder straps the thing is basically attached to your chest and your arms are free to do the work while free from having to bear the majority of the instruments weight. Yesterday I played melodeon constantly for two hours outside while standing. I love playing concertina (anglo) but find that playing standing up is difficult whatever position I try and I cant keep it up for long. I put it down to how you have to support the instrument with your hands, I always find the instrument wants to rock forwards away from me and inwards. playing sitting is fine though. And as I say the musical range of an anglo is better than that of the average 2 or even 2.5 row melodeon so I always saw it as a trade off, each with its own advantages and disadvantages which might not matter to some but might to others.
Some play melodeon with only one shoulder strap, I never really understood that.
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I play melodeon. D/G 2 row. I play a few types of music - mostly English and Irish, a bit of French stuff. Some american tunes, what ever people play in sessions or at folk festivals really. Have played for my morris team on and off. I was more of a back up musician.
I find the limitations of a 2 row melodeon quite frustrating at times. Even a 2.5 row is a bit limiting. No low F natural on mine. That is sometimes frustrating. Though I find the great thing about melodeons that you can really give them a good workout, really play them forcefully and loudly. Very good full sound for playing outside without amplification. The bass give a nice rich deepness to it. I find them easier to play standing up than concertinas. Though the musical range of concertinas is generally better. I have never found an "ultimate" compromise between a concertina and a melodeon. Both great instruments.
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I agree with what you are saying about the air lever meeting the thumb at a right angle. It seems to me that the thumb is more suited to this movement. Colin dipper would apparently agree with you too on this one from what a friend of mine says.
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This is very relevant and is close to what I have in mind form my DIY - in fact I have tested such wristrest back in at the very begining of my concertina playing (on anglo back then).
They are very comfortable, but have several limitations and are tweaking ergonomics in a substantial way:
- first of all, they prohibit wrist movement, which makes it unnatural to play in lower range on the EC and limits reach to high notes (especialy sharps) on the Hayden.
- secondly, if done high enough for comfortable wrist position, you end up with completely different finger "attack angle" and different muscles are involved in fast retracting of fingers. It is less of a problem with EC, because it's "normal" ergonomics different finger positions and training of different muscles.
Thanks for the input. I had no idea of the downsides of this system. Shame the guy sound a bit nasty, he clearly has an interest in concertina design. I am very interested in your project. I hope it goes well.
I was thinking lately:
I think what would be very interesting would be to ask some concertina makers, who have been working for a long time and have a much better understanding of concertina making than us what they would do if you told them you would pay them their average hourly rate to pursue an idea or design innovation that they felt was valid. I think there is a tendency with craftspeople to be busy with orders and although the maker might have an idea - for example some wild prototype idea they never quite have the time to dedicate to such experiments as there are customers waiting for their orders. A good example of this is a story a mate told me about a well known concertina maker who never had the time to make himself an instrument and whenever he did he ended up selling it as it was a lot of money sitting there.
This is something I used to experience, I used to work for an architecture company making models. I wanted to pursue my own projects of woodwork using the company equipment (which did not bother anyone at all) but at the end of each day I was so tired from what I had to do to make money that I never did pursue my own experiments and its rather a shame.
Effects Of Horizontal Distance Between Air Hole And Tongue Tip
in Instrument Construction & Repair
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I noticed this as well, all instruments, hybrid or traditional always have the hole above the base of the reed. I have heard it said that an accordion reeded concertina behaves very strangely when the hole is above the tip of the reed. It apparently makes a very very horrible sound. As to why - no idea. Henrik told me about this happening to him when he put a reed back in the wrong way.