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Shas, have you a copy of Songs Of American Sailormen by Joanna C. Colcord from Oak Archives? Been meaning to mention this book to you for a while.
Alan
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Several years back, Rich Morse and I had a conversation on CNC machines and concertina building. I asked when he was going to get one, as all the big guitar makers were all ready using them. He replied that the biggest hold up for him was the cost of the machines, but that he would like to have one.
Alan
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Another vote from me on the Bb/F. Just as fast, and mellower than C/G.
you know, it is funny, last night I almost posted that you had highly recommended to me a few years back that I get a Bb/F as my next concertina. I am still thinking in that direction.
Alan
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I think the chances are about zero of finding leather that is thin enough and soft enough at a saddlery. Anyway there is no need to improvise when you can get the right material from David Leese he is very helpful, will send stuff anywhere.
For leather adhesive I've recently become a convert to Feibings Leather cement which is widely available from leathercraft suppliers. It produces a very strong bond, dries flexible, and cleans up with a damp cloth while still wet.
For the bellows repair, probably not, but for the handles it should not be a problem. And a good leatherworker could be very helpful in properly placing the necessary holes and hardware in a new set of handles. The old order Amishwoman that ran the harness shop outside of Plain City had a wide variety of thicknesses and softnesses for a wide variety of uses, and had agood eye as to where things needed to fit.
Alan
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While I have said this before, another place to look would be a good harness and tack shop that does repairs. They would be able to help with the thickness and with the hardware. I do realize that this probably is not convenient in OakPark, but I would think you might be able to find one somewhere on the outskirts of greater Chicagoland.
Alan
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I am unclear about what you are asking for here. Are you looking for music for your child to perform or to listen to? I can have my wife ask her sister, the music teacher, about sheet music appropriate to to your child's age group if you would like. Also, what exactly do you mean by American music? I am willing to help if I know more about what you are looking to find.
Alan
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One Amazon reviewer wrote that it only had a few good tunes and a lot of rubbish, Is it worth buying?
I believe the same thing was said in 1885. My wife and I have only had the volume a few weeks and have alredy had much enjoyment from looking through the tunes. I also find sight-reading the tunes is a great practice exercise. I definitely felt that it was worth buying.
Alan
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I picked up a copy a couple of weeks ago at the Dublin Irish Festival. In reading the forward, by Patrick Sky, it says that the tunes in Cole's "1000 Fiddle Tunes" published in 1940 are mostly identical to the tunes in "Ryan's Mammoth Collection" published in 1885. It has tunes I recognize as ITM, as well as old-time. For example, I recognized several tunes that Gid Tanner and the Skillet Lickers had recorded in the twenties and thirties, as well as tunes I have heard played at both old-time and Irish sessions. It seems to be a collection of tunes that were being played in the USA in the late nineteenth century.
Alan
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Sort of the same idea that the knives we had as the blades were curved. I almost wonder now if grampa Dormire had made them himself, as he was a tool and die maker as well as a farmer.
Alan
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Actually Ruediger, it was meant to be. I edited that post twice to take out some errors before I posted and still some of the original errors appeared. I should have skived out those dog collars to make a better fit, but I was in a hurry to get the concertina in a playable condition. Leatherwork is another one those skills that one learns on the farm to keep things going. I know that if either grampa had seen that quick hackwork I would have heard about it.
Actually, we had a couple of curved knives of various sizes that looked a bit like hoof knives that we would use for skiving, the smallest was nice for doing the type of fine work you were originally talking about, as you didn't have to use the whole blade. You just adjusted it to use the tip.
Alan
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I ended up thinning the leather at the ends using a wood plane (#4 smoother).
A spokeshave is a very common tool used by leather workers to thin leather, so using a plane is not far off being a conventional method.
Rats! I thought I was been weird. Must try harder.
ocd
No,skewed is having heavy dog collars for handles, which I have on the second concertina I bought. The leather handles were the only thing wrong with this old German style 20 button, and I was too lazy to run out to the harness shop to get some thin straps, so I bought a couple inexpensive dog collars. They were a bit heavier than I would have liked, but they worked. Ski ing would have been a good idea before I put them on.
Alan
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Considering that the one pictured in the bottom right corner is mine, I suppose I ought to comment. While I do not do much session playing, when I do, I can hear myself play.
Alan
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Is it down with the sheet music and play through it a couple times. Then I may try some alternative fingerings. Once I find fingerings that I like, I start memorizing phrases.
Alan
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Old Cowboy tunes -
by which I mean songs sung by old cowboys for old cowboys, and sometimes about old cowboys...
Down In the Valley
Streets of Laredo
Back in the Saddle Again
Tennessee Waltz
Don't Fence Me In
John Henry
The Wabash Cannonball
The Old Cowboy's Lament
Tyin' a Knot In the Devil's Tail
And some other stuff like:
Trumpeteer's Lullaby - (see the Tune-O-Tron)
Bolero (well, not yet, it's proven very complicated)
Tu Fidelidad (a Spanish-language hymn)
I hadn't realized anyone else was doing cowboy music on the board. Concertina was also a traditional cowboy instrument, small enough to easily fit in the bunk wagon. Some other tunes:
Red River Valley
Old Paint
Mustang Grey
Little Joe the Wrangler
Bonnie Black Bess
Little Brown Bulls
Annie Laurie
Wagoner's Lad
Alan
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where are you at in Ohio? I am in Dublin and would be willing to give you some help if you are near by.
Alan
hey Alan! i like to go down and play music in Ohio when i can. what sort of music do you play? I have a lot of friends who play Irish music in Ohio, and some family, too.
David, mostly old time and cowboy music. I am not sure where you head when you play, but I am in the Columbus area in the center of the state. If you want to meet up sometime, I would be cool with it. Dave is up on the lake between Toledo and Cleveland which is a fair piece (2 1/2 hours or so).
Dave, if you decide to hit a music store, and decide to go the accordion route, there is a fairly good accordion shop in Warren MI you might want to check out. The name is Castigilone and you may want to check out their web site.
Alan
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Two sighting tonight. One an episode of the Simpsons, and the second the movie Raiders of San Jauquin (1943). Gosh, I need to get a life.
NNY
Hi NoNaYet
I frequent a local restaurant, and talk to an older guy in an electric wheelchair. Hopalong Cassidy is his favorite from when he was a child. Mine is Roy Rogers. Occasionally I take my laptop computer and we have dinner together, watch a movie, and swap stories and lies about who is the better in them old cowboy movies. The one you found has a group of musicians called the Jimmy Wakely Trio. They are in lots of movies from the 1940's. I think it's used as a prop though in the movies.
I'll bet it looked something like this:
Although in this one, it's played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfGmNnTjEoQ&fmt=18
If it's the Simpson episode, I think it is, he's famous too. Guess who!
If you like old cowboy movies Leo, you need to make it over to Kenton Ohio for Gene Autry days in June. They even occasionally have a cowboy group, Call of the West that occasionally uses the concertina!
Alan
I think I got you beat on need to get a life.
Thanks
Leo
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where are you at in Ohio? I am in Dublin and would be willing to give you some help if you are near by.
Alan
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I've always wanted to hit the Castigilone Store.
I tried one of the Castiglione concertinas back in August. My first impression was it was large. Larger than the cheap Chinese concertina a bought over twenty years ago. The buttons were also fairly large, and set flush with the ends. Then I started playing it. It was quick, with a nice action. Not as quick as my tedrow, but better than any of the other inexpensive concertinas in the rough price range. The biggest flaws would be the size and the lack of the third row, but it seems to be a reasonable beginners instrument.
Alan
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Yes, Windsor is in the Eastern Time Zone.
Alan
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All I can say is that is one big concertina.
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Frank-Is this a CG?
Dave-Unfortunately, I am a troll, having been brought up in the thumb, and now live even farther into troll country in Ohio.
Alan
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The wood just reminded me of the conversation. I hadn't thought you were trying for a particular market.
Alan
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Which type of Concertina is best?
a)The one being played by the puffy, bald-headed, traditional concertina expert
b)The one being played by the pretty girl at the other end of the bar.
c)The one that's been smashed to bits by the guitarist (or envious accordionist)
d)All of the above.
Sort of depends on your criteria for "best".
What might appear to you or me as a redundant or idiotic question, may well be a turning point in the future of a budding musician. I'd say it would be very arrogant of either of us to assume any right to discourage, alter, or manipulate the forum's response to this or any question. Not to mention highly unlikely to suceed anyway. Next thread please...
I always vote for B myself.
Alan
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Looks nice. Of course I am partial to a bird's eye maple concertina.
Are you going for the UP market? One of the first things that was said to me last year at the Great Lakes Folk Festival last year when by some UP Finns was how nice the finish was on the one I have is. They like their Bird's eye maple in Michigan's North country.
Alan
ABC survey: I DO sight read and play easily straight
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Yup, that's the way I learn tunes. I wish I could do it by ear, but sight reading is how I learn. The wife needs to hear the music, then sight reads it. To each their own.
Alan