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  1. I'm still curious to see photos of the inside given this description by the auction house:



    A concertina, by J Crabb and Son, in its original leather case, one end with 27 buttons, the other 34 buttons, case with part of original paper label



    Bellows corners pushed in. Metal bracket repair on one corner. Pushed in fret on one end. Inside of box in poor condition.


    NOW, that said.


    Does "box" in the condition report refer to the "case" as referenced in the description, above?


    Does "box" in the condition report refer to the actual concertina?


    AND ...

    Do auction houses open up concertinas for inspection?

  2. Alex,

    I think that, technically, there may actually be something like a 3% import duty "on the books"; however, I have never been assessed any amount on any of the concertinas I have purchased and had shipped to the US from either Europe or Australia over many years.

    In any case, Jim's argument may likely prevail given that the buyer in this instance is one who deals in antiquities.


  3. GBP

    920 - hammer price per auction house representative

    184 - 20% buyer premium per auction house policy

    28 - 3% online purchase premium per auction house policy

    1132 - auction total in GBP


    Currency conversion on 4th March

    1.67 - usd -> gbp


    ~ US$1895


    + shipping

  4. FWIW,

    My eBay inquiry preceded here by the seller's reply.



    Dear danersen,


    I won't have pictures of the insides for a while. If you think that $2750 is a premium price for this rare concertina, look elsewhere


    Sent from my iPhone


    On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:34 AM, "eBay Member: danersen" <<email address removed per ebay policy>> wrote:


    From: danersen

    To: marcmaudio

    Subject: Re: danersen has sent a question about item #161251573754, ending on Mar-23-14 17:24:00 PDT - J Crabb and Son concertina, catalogs Jeffries Wheatstone Lachenal accordion rare

    Sent Date: Mar-23-14 08:34:21 PDT


    Dear marcmaudio,



    Do you have photos of the reeds and reed pans that you can send?

    The external appearance suggests that there could be corrosion on the reeds and degradation of the internal parts.

    This is critical to know given your listing price and no return policy as it may well require a substantial investment to restore it to proper playing condition.

    A close-up photo of the oval name plate will also be very helpful.

    FYI, while Crabb concertinas are highly regarded and Crane systems by Crabb are not plentiful, neither is the demand as it is not a widely-played system and has a very limited following.

    This, along with the uncertainty of its condition, run contrary to your expectation that this concertina should/will sell at a premium price.

    Thank you.

  5. Thanks to all.

    The concertina is off to Jake's (badok88) place, tomorrow.

    Extremely delightful and thoughtful young lad.

    All of you Anglophiles, please encourage and mentor him along.

    And when he acquires his next concertina, he will hopefully pass this one on to another who can benefit from it.

    Be Well


  6. I was not refering to a 62 button Jeffries Duett, but a 44/45 button instrument of the 6"/6.25" size. The one that I saw on eBay, I am fairly certain was the same instrument that I had spotted on Chris's stall at Sidmouth about 6 months earlier.

    Note that Gavin Atkin has been superbly playing a Jeffries Duet of this size for many years.




    My apology.

    To clarify, (and for future reference) the one I referenced sold on eBay on 3rd Sept 2012 for £1800.

    Be Well,


  7. Hello Mike,

    Here's another test to try in addition to Laurence's suggestion about the lower notes on the left hand and the higher notes on the right.

    If this is a duet and true-to-Jeffries-form, the following shold be found:

    On the right hand side:

    In the second row from the top:

    The fifth button from the right (pinky) side will likely be the root of the key in which the concertina is oriented.

    The fourth button from the right (pinky) side immediately to the right of the the root will be the major third of the chord, and the next adjacent button to the right will be the 5th of the chord.

    The same root, major third, fifth orientation will be true in the left hand in the second row from the top four, three, and two buttons from the right in this case, the thumb side.

    These both might be off one button in either direction depending on the compass of the notation and the overlap.

    If the instrument is true-to-form for a Jeffries duet, the roots, thirds, and fifths will be one octave apart with the left side one octave lower than the right each sounding the same relative pitch on both the press and the draw.

    As others have indicated, the most important task right now is to determine whether this is a duet or an Anglo which should be able to be determined among the three tests suggested.

    Duets and Anglos are very different animals, and a s Laurence has indicated, many of the duets have been converted to Anglos or simply robbed of their reeds for other use.

    The Jeffries duet is not particularly straightforward in its design or appeal whereas a Jeffries Anglo is among the most desirable.

    Be Well,


  8. The Jeffries duet noted by Inventor is a 62-button instrument centered around A.

    This one appears to be 46(+/-) buttons which seems to be a rather limited scope for a duet.

    Yes/no - ?

    The key of the cental/core scale is also of interest.

    If it is a duet with that limited of a scope, it would certainly be an interesting companion to my larger Jeffries duets.

    I look forward to learning the results of the press and draw test.

  9. Can't resist throwing a couple of cents into this conversation.

    1. There are multiple free bass (single note left-hand) layouts – as many (and more) as there are CBA right-hand layouts, e.g., C, B, D, Russian, and Finnish that I know of.

    Some differ in the orientation of the accidentals to naturals, others in the orientation of minor to major thirds, and still others whether the lower notes are oriented closer to the chin or to the floor.

    2. There a a few youngsters in Minnesota who are committed to the Chemnitzer style concertina and what I would call the mid-century mid-America polka tradition to which Ted refers, above. Josh Selner, who maintains my own unisonoric bandonions for me, may be the most promising among them. He is developing and building his own Chemnitzer style concertina after apprenticing with Christy Hengel for some years. He a very interesting and remarkable twenty-something gentleman. An electrician by trade, I think. Mike Smeija is helping him along. Wouldn't trust my Schoma to anyone else unless it were Harry Geuns.


    Be Well,


  10. Hello Everyone,


    As the resident - and so far as I know, only - player of the Stark/Chromatiphone layout, I can confirm that this is consistent with the Stark layout in a vertical format.


    It is, however, "opposite" in its directional sequence of half-step diagonals much like a B-griff CBA is to a C-griff.


    The easiest way to see it is to reference the last photo in the listing (inserted, below) which conveniently places the buttons in a horizontal orientation typical of the Stark.


    The notation is - from the top row descending and across:

    red button = C, white buttons = naturals, black buttons = accidentals

    C, E, G# ... repeating
    C#, F, A ... repeating
    D, F#, Bb ... repeating
    D#, G, B ... repeating

    I tried to reflect the diagnoal spacing in the chart above, and it appears to be displaying properly.


    On close inspection by enlarging the referenced photo, the letters stamped into the buttons confirm my chart.


    And it is all quite logical, versatile, and fully isomorphic!

    The Stark layout is truly just as easy to play in those keys in the hinterlands ("far excesses" as Geoff describes them) as playing in C or G.


    Be Well,


    Here is a photo of the Double



    and a diagram of the Stark layout.


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