Leo
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dose any one know who this is
i don't think got link to work but you can still copy and paste it.
Nalzalk
The link works fine. I'll bet one of these guys know:
http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4419
Ratface has started a nice idea and is collecting videos on his YouTube group page:
http://youtube.com/group/concertina
So far there seems to be only one video on Google videos that is nice too.
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Yup,
Well spotted. I bought it after 6 minutes - just lucky timing. I'm looking forward to identifying it and starting the restoration process.
Paul
Congratulations!! I wish I was so lucky, persistent, etc., but if it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all.
Identification: It's an anglo concertina with metal ends. Can't go deeper than that; my identification skills are that lacking.
Good luck
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Now where have I seen this photo before........?
Paul Read posted in "Buy&Sell".
Regards,
Peter.
Coincidently??? the post by Mr. Read and the closing of the sale are so close to being the same time I might be of the mind he is the winner of the sale. I'd be that excited over a new acquisition.
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Hello Everyone,
Did any of you spot this?
I don't know what to make of it other than someone's won the lottery (and I didn't win it).
Frank
Frank
Actually it doesnt show up in my ebay request for "worldwide" offerings. I live in the US. It looks like only one person bid on it, and perhaps another person asked him for a buy it now price that he accepted; maybe off EBay advert.; he accepted it and isn't telling anybody what the price is. I'm not sure either way.
This one doesn't show up either. It is listed as "new"; although the explaination mentions that she hasn't played it:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/R-Morse-Co-37-button...1QQcmdZViewItem
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recorded in the local prison cell (no not really
Nicely done. I enjoyed it. More please.
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My first impressions are very good, but this should be taken in the context that I've bought it to replace my Chinese 30 button box. It's a decent cheap starter model & I've tried Stagis costing twice as much which were not as good ( <IMHO> ) - but I would definitely be disappointed in it if I were paying the same for it as the Norman G/D I have on order
This is a fair point, but if you watch Ebay you see lots of old cheap Concertinas going for a fair percentage of their new price. I wouldn't be surprised to see a decent used Rochelle to go for 60-70% of it's new value after a couple of years.
- W
I suspect that "cheap" may be only in price. A well made used instrument in good condition may hold it's value more than expected as last weeks ebay Jackie had a sell it now price close to its "new" price. This one has brothers and sisters in it's family that occasionally show up for similar. Who knows maybe in the future incarnation of concertina.net, our descendants will search out the Rochelle, and Jack/Jackie as we now look for Lachenals, and others. For their time some were inexpensive. Now we treasure them. I'm hoping it's more than wishful thinking.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Jackie-English-Co...1QQcmdZViewItem
By the way Woody Please don't test this one like we discussed in the post on travel cases. Leave that to me if and when I get one. I feel that dreaded and desirable collecting disease coming on.
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Concertinists
I'm interested in learning the concertina. I also share a house
with folks. I'd like to stay on good terms with them.
When first learning, will a new concertinist likely produce annoying
sour notes on a well-tuned instrument? Like a beginner on a violin?
Also, can a concertinist control the volume of the concertina? Playing
at a volume so as not to have the sound travel throughout the house
(and beyond)?
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Sour notes are part of it, I thought them to be part of the tune until someone set me straight, (I found out it was me pushing the wrong buttons), but volume can generally be controlled by how hard you squeeze and pull the bellows. (it's all sweet music to me). Even when I have insomnia, my son and his wife have never complained of my off sounding notes, although I can't tell if they really don't hear it or they are just being polite. I think you're asking about volume, and not style of music?? If the style clashes with "the folks" likes and dislikes, then it would be hard to predict. Do you play music now? What part of the world do you live in? What kind of music would you like to play? Do you have a concertina now? The questions really aren't trying to be nosey, it's just so the experts know which way to point. I'm not one of them.
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For those of you who may be interested: I have listed a 30 key Wheatstone on eBay: click here
As usual I will make a donation to concertina.net if the buyer is a member who buys it as a result of this link.
Regards. Vic
Vic
17 July
This ad has just been hijacked by our unfriendly China Scammers and they only want $236.76 USD buy now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/30-key-WHEATSTONE-angl...1QQcmdZViewItem
Along with this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/C-WHEATSTONE-48-KEY-EN...1QQcmdZViewItem
I don't belong to EBay, so I don't know how to tell them.
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You're a remarkably public spirited person
Generally the spirit is willing............................................ (in spirit only)
but not mean spirited, but if you'd be willing to donate the hardware.............
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.......... Or maybe we just need to get you to drive over some a few times?
Nice idea. I had the same thought, though I wonder if it would be allowed due to possible interference with aircraft systems on takeoff and landing?
- W
Woody
I'm willing and able to do that. I've got experience in that area.
The time it take to transition from unintentional to intentional is small, and I'm willing to sacrifice some time to practice and perfect the procedure.
Chips: I'm sure it wouldn't hurt a thing; after all there is a campaign to put them in pets that travel, and I'm sure that they're effective.
There are two companies that I know of that sell "TSA" approved locks, of which the one you mentioned is one. In the States they are allowed to break anything to get inside to look around. I believe they have a master key that allows them to open them, but like any large group of people, chances are there are the few that have a less than stellar reputation in the honesty area.
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Yup like planets 'n Messier Objects.You know, we should talk...two concertina-playing astronomers in western Pennsylvania.So what do you guys have to say about the status of Pluto?
Jim
Pretty far out. She ain't what she used to be. It's an amazing shrinking planet. Maybe soon downgraded to an asteroid. Apparently when it was discovered, they thought it was at least the size of the earth. In the 70's measurements found it was smaller than the earth. Now another object was found larger than pluto and they labled it planet with a question mark??? So the discussion continues.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/141961
The discussions here are nothing compared to the large scale opinions going on in those forums. At least they have planetary implications.
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Did you say telescope eyepieces, Leo? You know, we should talk...two concertina-playing astronomers in western Pennsylvania. Maybe I've been walking right past you at star parties? (I don't see well in the dark!)
Ken
Yup like planets 'n Messier Objects. It's just as well; I'm not much to look at. I'm an almost concertina player wannabe. I'm concentrating real hard at concertina hornpipe, sheffield hornpipe, and aroving. Every time I play they come out different. A personal failing, but practicing, for a while my son says now at least they are recognisable sometimes.
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John: didn't know about them. How well do they stand up to abuse? They look nice and say they are in the style of ATA cases, but do they meet the specs, or is it only appearances? There is a difference. Do they lock? etc. Their ATA says Air Traffic Association, a company I'm not familiar with. It might be a different ATA.
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Hi Leo,... this site where a chamber orchestra had got soft padded cases (called "Blobbys") to go over their hard shell flight cases for Cellos. A hard case by itself is not much use if it doesn't have the ability to absorb shocks that would otherwise be transmitted to the instrument inside - essentially you need lots of foam packing (or similar) round your instrument. Most hard cases that I've seen don't have nice shock absorbing foam to hold the instrument in place.
I think that with a high quality case like the one you mentioned you could achieve the same effect as the "Blobby" if you then put it in a suitcase or rucksack with foam (or clothes maybe?) packed all around the instrument case.
I think that you've got to assume that the Concertina is going to be dropped, thrown, hit and driven over
- so a very tough case with good padding on the inside and as much extra padding on the outside as possible has got to be the way to go.Of course once you've made it almost unbreakable they'll probably lose it
- W
Woody:
Yes that's the one I couldn't find. Thanks
This particular company does have the padding on the inside (lots), The instrument is suspended in an absorbing foam, not blocks of wood (nothing to transmit the shock). The proof of their concept is outlined in their ATA specification page (Air Transport Association). These boxes are used to transport fragile aircraft instruments, and test equipment. They are also a military supplier for their own delicate needs. I suspect our concertinas are at least marginally more robust. Their music page has a few pictures of examples. By design the style would be more akin to a motorcycle helmet. Hardshell outside, and nothing to catch on, lots of shock absorbing on the inside. My skull is kind of thick in spots, but not above damage. I like the idea.
I'm not campaigning that they are the only way to go, however, I have run over one with a truck and am a fan first hand of their ability to withstand abuse.
Maybe a tracking chip with satellite link embeded in the foam to ensure against loss would be out of line. Maybe too expensive??
Again an alternative not seen here before and under our current travel circumstances it might be worhwhile looking over a few options.
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All:
If anyone contemplates shipping an expensive concertina for personal travel, I would forgo the available ones suggested by the instrument manufactures. I believe they are mostly for esthetics, and used more as a gig bag, and not built for the riggors of being bounced around an aircraft cargo hold. I have three of these used for holding my telescope eyepieces, and one night after cleanup, I forgot it was behind my truck and I ran over it. My collection of TeleVue Eyepieces were undamaged ($2500 worth) in one case. They can be built to order and I think a good one can be had for a guess of about $100 range. (Guess based on my briefcase sized ones at $98 each). I think they are well worth the effort to consider seriously, since they are made to order and sized to almost any specification, including padding and color. For a price computer generated graphics on the outside would be awesome (embedded in the case material). Maybe we can get permission to use the Net Logo. These comply with ATA specifications for reuseable shipping containers on airplanes, and they don't look too bad. Just because it's labled flight case doesn't make it suitable.
I believe Woody had another suggestion in another post, but I can't find it.
Just another suggestion
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Chris:
Yes! Thanks! That's twice I forgot such a great reference. I should have known, as often as I looked at it, it didn't register what I was looking at. Darned short term memory and all. That's usually the second thing to go. I don't remember what the first is though.
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A question - is the cargo hold pressurised on a 747? and what is the effect on bellows of exposure to low pressure (should we strap down the air button)? (Or strap down a note and let it play a tune).
If we ever do get to take instruments as hand luggage again, there is the issue of having a screwdriver with you - damned if you do - damned if you don't (and someone demands you open the instrument to see what is inside).
I have taken to carrying the screwdriver bit from a cordless drill. It is only 1cm long with a screwdriver end and hex on the other. Not easy to use, but I can get the screws out using it if needed. Certainly not much use as a weapon.
The irony of "security measures" is that they only seem able to think of one risk at a time. Travelling through LAX some years ago, the delays at security were so bad that we missed our flight (delayed by a passenger before us in the line having nail scissors in her hand bag). BUT our bags didn't - they went on our scheduled flight and were waiting for us when we got there. Now that makes me feel secure!!
Rod:
Yes; and heated too. It's the same as the cabin altitude and heat. The maximum altitude inside the airplane is 8000 ft. from ground level to cruise altitude at a rate of change about what an elevator does. (300 to 500 Ft per minit maximum). It's not necessary to open the air valve, although it wouldn't hurt either. Kind of neutral either way. If there is a great pressure change, climbing it would overpower the springs for a calibrated relief valve leak type of idea. It would go to the weakest spring. Descending there are probably enough leaks to compensate the pressure difference. There is not a lot of volume in the inside to create that much pressure.(would be interesting to hear it play by itself IF that happens, again not enough volume). It would probably play better than me. Your ears are more sealed than that.
See the references in post #26 of this thread for the "Official" allowed and not allowed things on an airplane. It's the TSA website(official USA info, don't know about Australia). Small tools, and knitting neeles are allowed. However under the circumstances, they might be changing rapidly.
Lucky you One of the first times I've heard of the baggage getting to the destination, and the passengers getting lost. What a switch.
I don't think they would know what they are looking at to ask for you to disassemble an instrument. I wouldn't volunteer that you can, however you might be asked to play a tune or two, or offer to play one for them. Put the tools in the checked baggage, and separate them from the instrument. Less questionable that way. The instrument is the important thing to keep close.
Don't be surprised if they also ask you to turn it on. I've seen it happen.
Look at the links here post #26:
http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php...ost&p=43850
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Leo
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All:
If anyone contemplates shipping an expensive concertina for personal travel, I would forgo the available ones suggested by the instrument manufactures. I believe they are mostly for esthetics, and not built for the riggors of being bounced around an aircraft cargo hold. I have three of these used for holding my telescope eyepieces, and one night after cleanup, I forgot it was behind my truck and I ran over it. My collection of TeleVue Eyepieces were undamaged ($2500 worth) in one case. They can be built to order and I think a good one can be had for a guess of about $100 range. (Guess based on my briefcase sized ones at $98 each). I think they are well worth the effort to consider seriously, since they are made to order and sized to almost any specification, including padding and color. For a price computer generated graphics on the outside would be awesome (embedded in the case material). Maybe we can get permission to use the Net Logo. These comply with ATA specifications for reuseable shipping containers on airplanes, and they don't look too bad. Just because it's labled flight case doesn't make it suitable.
Just another suggestion
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Removed and shown up again 13 Aug:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-31-Key-Concert...1QQcmdZViewItem
They keep returning
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Yeah, maybe, but I do just wonder how many rights we have to give up before the terrorists win by default and our western civilisation becomes indistinguishable from a dictatorship.
If you think about them, many of these restrictions make little sense. Pan Am flight 103 demonstrates that just shoving stuff in the hold doesn't necessarily make it more secure.
Chris
Chris
All of them. Travel is not a right, it's become a privelige.
Ah but we're already there, it's perfect sense. The logic of maximum exposure of not allowing foods, and normal items on a plane and still allowing the electrical initiator (disposable camera flash) eludes me. Punishing the many for the sins of the few always works if the "plan" is to put on a good show only, afer all look at all the work we're doing (good guys). Now there isn't a necessity to throw the world into a tizzy by actually carrying out a threat. Just the threat alone will do it. Sacrifice a couple of underlings and then rejoice at the outcome as the world shakes (bad guys). Mission accomplished.
I understand the arrests were made miles from an airport, and days or even weeks before the plan was implemented. So the plot was foiled before any damage (Thankfully, but isn't that how it's supposed to be?). The first version was to have been thought out in the early 90's. They've been watching these guys for a while? OK tell the world where the information came from?? I suspect retaliation will be swift. Baffles the mind. Now we can allow "them" (bad guys) to implement plan c, d, or whatever version will come next, and there will be a new version.
For our purposes of fast travel even naked flights under the guise of "safe and secure" won't work. Maybe coming soon? The time for me to look good in approved "travel speedo and sandals" has long past (look for recomended travel attire in my last post: page 2 post 26 of this thread), although I guess it would make the trip go fast as everyone is laughing at everyone else. Makes me shudder.
I suspect there will be a campaign soon to not allow toilets next, since that is where the components were supposed to be mixed?? After all then they won't have a place to do the dirty deed.
I'd like to submit that we should arm the passengers. It would change the odds to 100 to 500 "good guys" against 5 to 10 "baddies", instead of 10 "baddies" against 100 to 500 frightened, passive people wondering if someone will do something on their behalf. (other than shoot us down before we get over land). Good guys and bad guys trying to kill me either way doesn't make me feel more secure. If there are 100 agencies working on my behalf, I would like to be 101.
If they are out to get me, then I guess it's real and I'm not paranoid??
Again appologise for the rant, but Chris is right on
Thanks: Partially tongue in cheek, but not all. You decide which parts.
By the way I'm a concertina geek, and proud of it. I attempt to play a concertina. Working my way up to mediocre skills at best, but it's coming. Just thought I'd mention it since this is concertina.net. I would not consider any of this topic political in nature, considering the vast majority of the participants to be professional musicians, and it cuts right through their ability to feed their families and I consider that to be appropriate.
Leo
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No I didn't because it's only available to America.
While I don't read the language, the header of the ad says: "ship worldwide", and the bottom of the ad refers to their main website; concertinaconnection.com. The way I read the paragraph is "free shipping" to germany only??? Now I'm confused.
Hope I'm not so confused now. The used Jackie just showed up in "American" language, and the other used offering has been pulled:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Jackie-English-Co...1QQcmdZViewItem
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I thought these were sold out for a month or so. I wonder how many they have? Don't say if they are in stock or advance orders? Might be a good chance for somebody.
Used Jackie:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Jackie-English-Co...1QQcmdZViewItem
Jack New:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jack-Baritone-Concerti...1QQcmdZViewItem
Jackie New:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jackie-Concertina-Akko...1QQcmdZViewItem
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August 11 2006 Scam:
The legitimate bid:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...A%3AIT&rd=1
China clone scam #1:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-31-Key-Concert...1QQcmdZViewItem
China clone scam #2:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-31-Key-Concert...1QQcmdZViewItem
Both clones listed as "new with tags" listed under "men's accessories".
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I see the pictures are of Anglos. Hmmm. Supposing you play the English or Duet? What then?
Chris
They are maybe Master's degree, Associate degree, or Bachelor degree, and the other bellows degrees reserved for high school?? Depending on how the accrediting authority has the programs set up I wonder if the skills come in the program, or we get the skills before applying, or are automatic on receiving the certificate. I could sure use a shortcut to better playing. Maybe I could skip a grade
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Apologies if this information has already been posted, but I have not seen it anywhere. There's a 30 minute program about Mícheál Ó Raghallaigh on TG4, the Irish-language network of RTE. You can get it streamed if you go to http://www.tg4.tv/default.aspx and look for the menus on the left of the screen. Click "Cláir Eile - Cartlann" and go to the program Ceird an Cheoil for the date 12/07/2006. There's lots of good playing and shots of him reconditioning an old Jeffries, etc. It's mostly in Irish, but there are subtitles in English. There's also some footage of Stephen Chambers discussing (in English) the history of the Anglo in Irish music, with special reference to William Mullally.
Hunting around the various programs will also lead you to some good music (non-concertina). You should also click the menu, "Ceol - Cartlann" to access further programs about Irish music and song.
Cheers,
Tom Ryan
Tom:
I didn't understand a word they said, and thoroughly enjoyed every minit of it. Wish there were more programs like it. What a nice way to spend a half hour. Even rocognised a name or two. Are they from here???
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Posted · Edited by Leo
Daniel Hi
1.It's an Anglo. The three suggested websites will help with the information better than I can describe.
2. It depends on how well you learn; one might be good or all the above. I personally don't have the availability to find a local instructor so I myself just pick up the notes and tackle a tune. Others can listen to a tune and repeat it. I'm not that gifted. Everyone is different.
3. Enjoy it, and practice. Come here often. There is a lot of good information here. What type of music you want to play? Do you play music now? Etc. Etc.
A couple of great websites that will help keep your curiosity satisfied.
http://www.concertina.com/
http://www.concertina.net/
http://www.concertina.info/
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