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  1. On 9/17/2022 at 1:36 PM, Clive Thorne said:

    Wow Sad,


    That's amazing.

    Where do you find this sort of information out?



    Clive...the census records were checked through Findmypast and Ancestry, the newspaper advert came from The British Newspaper Archive.

       We dropped a little unlucky that Mr Morton wasn't at the address in the 1891 or 1901 census'...that would have given us his forename and other family member names that we could use to really track him down.

       We could use electoral rolls that may give extra information but unfortunately Sheffield's are not online...visit to the archives in person only. I also used the search for W Morton, Grocer, Sheffield, 1891-1901 and did find one, unfortunately at an address in Grimesthorpe Road in 1891 and 1901, so probably not our man.


     My guess is that he took the shop but it was not a success ( although I can find no record of a bankruptcy) and after a couple of years went back to his original trade. He could have died of course...there are four deaths for W Morton's in Sheffield between 1898 and 1901 but without ordering death certificates there is no way of knowing if any are our man. If you were interested enough you could order the certificates one by one at £7 from the GRO, you might strike gold with the first, however Mr Morton may not have died in which case it would be money wasted...you never know till you try.


       The house was condemned in the slum clearances of 1939 but the picture below( from Picture Sheffield) is from the 1960's when the street was still up, it shows No's 131 to 143, suggesting 193 would have been 25 houses around the corner.



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  2. 13 hours ago, Clive Thorne said:

    Sad ( I hope you're not),


    Thanks for your interest.



    I make it out to be:

    W Morton

    193. Milton (Road/Street),*


    And I see that the date actually says March 1898.


    * Google maps shows that Sheffield has both. Milton Road (now only seems to go to 100) and 193 Milton Street seems to be Old Brick built industrial units which are scheduled for conversion to flats.


    However, being only a 46 key I guess that the player was not a professional or of any particular note.




    Clive, unfortunately W Morton was not at that address in either the 1891 or 1901 census. The property though was a rented shop with accomodation, both the 1891 & 1901 occupants were Grocer's by trade so it's probably fair to accept W Morton was the same. He was advertising for a servant in 1896.


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  3. On 9/13/2022 at 9:12 PM, amberlayli said:

    Hi everyone ! I'm getting my first english concertina soon and I'm interested in learning some sea shanties. I've seen some books with sea shanties for anglo concertina. Are there any materials out there for english ? I think I'd do better with english as its unisonoric.


    Thanks for your help !



    Look around the second-hand shops or auction sites, there are often old song books written for community singing accompanied by piano, maybe not as good as bespoke concertina composition but the melodies are still there of course.

  4. I wouldn't put too much thought into it tbh...I'm not a natural musician but I managed to teach myself to strangle a tune out of the McCann system. I would concentrate on getting the sweetest instrument with the most buttons you can afford....and just learn to play it, whichever system it is.

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  5. On 8/8/2022 at 10:36 PM, David Barnert said:

    Here’s a page from the Wheatstone ledgers of October, 1851:




    Your instrument, #3487, is listed on the 10th line. I can’t tell you anything more about how to interpret what’s there.


    Hamilton & Co    £6 pounds 4 shillings paid.

    I'm not saying it's them, but there was an Organ & Piano dealer of that name at Stokes Croft, Bristol. Est 1843.

  6. One thing that's not been mentioned is the bellows....I've never tried making any but I would have thought it was much easier and quicker to make simple 4 sided bellows rather than 6,8, or 12 sides.....I would reckon you can make quite a number compared to an Aeola or even worse Edeophone.

       I've only owned one accordion, but going from memory the fretwork and keyboard were just mouldings rather than hand cut and drilled wood.

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  7. On 5/11/2022 at 9:16 AM, SIMON GABRIELOW said:

    That's very interesting; then wherever they got their own nstrunents from maybe we will never know. Later on there was other shop called Gough & Davey.. but that sold mostly pianos, keyboard, and sometimes other things. Of course there is musical history to the City anyway.


    In the 1880's there were a few

    Banks' Music shop on Stonegate.

    Waddingtons also on Stonegate

    W Bell's on Micklegate

    Clarkson's on Stoney Street.

    Gray's ( later R. Sutcliffe's) also on Stoney St.

    James Marsh, Newton Lane, Clifton


    This firm were around in 1881


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  8. 57 minutes ago, SIMON GABRIELOW said:

    York, a concertina band? No i never knew that. I wonder where they bought the instruments. One place may have been a good old greatly acclaimed music shop that started in the 18th century ( now gone!).. Banks Music Shop it was called; marvellous place, music books, instruments, records.. in more modern times nearly everything you could wish for. And where I got my own concertina from (1999).

    Shop now gone .  Sold to chain of generic music shops! Burton Stone Lane is no more than a mile or so from City Centre. ( Of York).


    When the band was advertising for new members it was stipulated that they must have their own instrument.

  9. On 4/13/2022 at 5:36 PM, SIMON GABRIELOW said:

    What fascinating information is being recovered over this topic; I found that image online when I was trying to help out on the Astley name for MR Chris Rowe in here.  It's amazing how one basic line of request for information can expand to even wider results. I know concertinas enjoyed a golden period in this time of history, and were already sold in their masses.


    Do you know York had its own Concertina Band as early as 1883? ...run by George Brown,  Church Lane, Tannery Row. The Secretary was David Brown, address,  18 and a half, Burton Lane.

  10. On 5/6/2022 at 5:57 AM, chris rowe said:

    Anyone who successfully brews beer can't be sad !

    The only link I have for the Astleys in Mexborough are two letters from  for the G.A.Beaumont, the entertainment secretary of the 'Mexbro' War Casualties Fund, one (17/07/48) asking them to entertain the wounded in the M.O.P Hospital in Chapel-Allerton, and the other (20/07/48) thanking them, and wishing them "bon voyage" to Australia. I you would like a copy, pm me with your email address


    Thanks for that info Chris, I reckon I've got it now...it's not Mexborough the place, I think it's the Earl of Mexborough's fund....the family seat was at Methley in the Leeds area..as is Chapel Allerton. There were a number of pubs in the Leeds area called The Mexborough Arms.

        I don't profess to know the details of the landed gentry, but the landed gentry of Mexborough ( the town) were the Montagu-Yarborough family...in fact our own Mexborough Concertina Band Club was built on their land. Had the activities been related to the area it would almost certainly have been for the benefit of the wounded in Mexborough's Montagu Hospital...I'm in our heritage society and never heard of such a fund, and there are no mentions in the newspaper archive that I can find.

       Hope that solves it!!


  11. On 5/6/2022 at 5:25 PM, Joe G. said:

    Thanks, sadbrewer. That's the man, for sure. No information about his relationship with the concertina, but still, it's good.

    Concertina.net is an amazing resource in so many ways.



    He might just have been a skilled amateur repairer....or perhaps it was his own instrument...I signed and dated mine inside, perhaps he did the same. It would be interesting to see what his occupation was in the 1921 census though.

  12. On 4/11/2022 at 2:26 PM, chris rowe said:

    Thanks Simon,

    The photos were taken in the 1940s, I know they played at benefits for wounded service men for the Mexbro War Casualty Fund before emmigrating to Australia in 1948. In 1959 after her husbands death Jenny Astley sent a concertina and music to the Kensington Septet lead by Len Jones. That's all I have apart from one of the miniatures seen in the photo



    Hi Chris, I'm from Mexborough myself, I just wondered if you could expand on the Mexborough connection if poss...I've had a look through the census'

    and there are no Astleys living here in the late 19th or 20th centuries...so it seems a little odd, unless perhaps Cecil & Jenny Ashley, who were in the area at various times in the theatres.

  13. Benjamin Joseph Peat was born in 1892 in Old Ford Road, Bow. In the 1911 census he was a labourer in a chemical works and living at 3 Oban Road.

      He was still at that address in 1912, but by 1918 was at No 104 until 1922 when he moved.

    He died in 1926.

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  14. On 5/24/2021 at 11:15 PM, wes williams said:

    On the first page, and at the end of this thread I gave a little bit more information about James Travers, a concertina player, tuner and repairer, along with a photo. Today I borrowed my wife's Ancestry account and found him on the first try! I've messaged a lady who appears to be his grand-daughter, so this may lead to a proper article with more details. But here's a summary:


    Born James Arthur TREVERSH (which is why many searches never worked!), on 19 Mar 1890 at Clapham, London. By 1901 he is living in Battersea, and by 1908 he is with the East Surrey Regiment. At the end of WW1 he is living in Sheepcote Lane, Battersea where he remains until ~1938, and moves to Somerset by the 1939 telephone directory(TD), Isle Brewers by 1946 TD, and Castle House, Enmore by 1951 TD. He died 4 Oct 1952.


    Since the description of him in late 1949 says he has over 45 years experience of the concertina, it takes us back before 1905, so it's possible he started work aged 12 in 1902. I'm reminded very much of the early days of Tommy Williams, also of Battersea, who worked for Lachenal. Perhaps they knew each other?




    His Service Record shows him as being a Plumbers Mate at the time of attesting for the East Surreys in 1908.

     Apparently he deserted in 1911, and again in October 1914.

  15. 7 hours ago, Skran said:

    Many Thanks Stephen Chambers! That is already way more than I was expecting to find out.


    You've fallen quite lucky with this chap. He was born in 1832 and died in 1916.



       He was a Seed crusher and oil merchant, it seems like a family business, his father William Flintan was a wealthy man...in 1870 Robert inherited his father's shares in The Great Western Railway. By 1891 he is describing himself as retired engineer & machine maker, my guess is the stamp is the company letterhead stamp, pity the bottom part can't be read.

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    Photo from Ancestry.


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    Article courtesy of The British Newspaper Archive.


    I think a nephew (possibly) William Houghton Flintan drowned in a boating accident at Margate in 1874.

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