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  1. Rereading the topic "The Different Types of English" I found another variable that can determine the difference between the Tenor and the Tenor-Treble: the position of the keys in relation to the thumb-strap.

    In that topic Jim explained the difference between the Baritone and the Baritone-Treble:

    • A baritone which sounds an octave lower for the same fingering as the treble is simply a "baritone".
    • A baritone on which notes in the treble range have the same fingering as on the treble but which continues the pattern of the English keyboard downward into the baritone range is called a "baritone-treble", "baritone" at the beginning to indicate the low end of the range, but followed by "treble" to indicate that the fingering in the treble range remains unchanged. (And for the same geometrical patttern of buttons on the two sides, such an instrument extends down to F at the bottom, rather than G.)

     

    So on a Baritone-treble is the position of middle C, like on a Treble, in line with the middle of the left-hand thumb strap.

    On a Baritone is that the position for C below middle C.

    A 48K treble extended down to Baritone-range needs 14 extra keys at the lower end. So a standard Baritone-Treble has 62 keys.

    I suppose, that a 56K BT has its keys in the same position as the 62K BT, but omitting the highest 6 keys.

    And according to the wheatstone-pricelist-1935 a 64K BT is extended at the lower end with 2 keys to F (that's what Jim is referring at in the quote above)

     

    My assumption for the Tenor(-Treble):

    As the Baritone is a octave lower then the Treble, the Tenor is a fifth lower.

    The Tenor-Treble has its middle C in the middle of the left-hand thumb strap, just like the Treble, and is extended down to C below middle C. That needs 8 keys, what makes a "standard" Tenor-Treble a 56K instrument.

    A "true" Tenor with 48 keys, has its F below middle C in the middle of the left-hand thumb strap, where the Treble has its middle C.

    On a 48 key TT is the position of the keys like on the 56K TT, but omitting the higher 8 keys.

    So in comparison with a 48K "true" Tenor, on a 48K TT all the keys are shifted one position to lower end.

     

    The 48K Tenor-Treble from the start of the topic, is, according to the Horniman ledgers a model 6E. According to the wheatstone-pricelist-1956 is model 6E a 48K TT.

    On the picture of the left-hand side you can see, that the keys in comparison with a 48K Treble are shifted one position to the low side: next to the middle of the thumb strap are not F# and F, but C# and C.

     

    This makes me believe that the discriminating difference between a Tenor and Tenor-Treble (as between a Baritone and a Baritone-Treble) is the position of the middle C key in relation to the thumb strap.

     

    What do you think?

     

    Leonard

  2. The ledger states the model is a 6E

     

    A look at this link http://www.concertina.com/pricelists/wheat...t-All-c1956.pdf will reveal that a 6E is indeed a 48 key tenor-treble.

     

    Steve

     

    Steve,

     

    Thanks for this; I stand corrected.

     

    However, the range should still be from C, not from E.

     

    John

     

    I'm still puzzled about model 6E, the 48 key tenor-treble:

     

    What's the difference between a tenor and a 48 key tenor-treble?

    Is a tenor in the key of F (with a Bflat in the middle rows)?

     

     

    Leonard

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