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  1. Sorry, for long pause and confusion.

    I play an Anglo. and aye, I can figure out the chords for a concertina. im tried to translate some music to it before from general read sheets to disappointing results. (Big Rock Candy mountains, looking at you!)

  2. I have been playing concertina for a few months now and im getting to the point where im beginning to overlay chords with melodies and im starting to run into an issue thats giving my troubles. specifically when the song calls for two buttons to be held for a time that are on the level (weirdly enough always button 4 and 9 on the left or button 2 and 7 on the right if you follow Gary Coover button layout label system. When these pop up what is your preferred method for holding both? Or is this an issue only I face?

  3. 1 hour ago, Ken_Coles said:

    The late Stan Rogers wrote this song (published in "Songs from Fogarty's Cove" unfortunately OOP) and with his group performed it without accompaniment (a capella) in the recordings I have. Having heard it that way (and having attempted to sing it once or twice myself) I can't imagine how to play along with it, but no doubt it can be done. For me it is meant to be a capella (as is "Northwest Passage") - that is in the soul of the song.


    Many of Stan's songs (I believe it was Pete Seeger? who called Stan the "Woody Guthrie of Canada) were published in the out of print book I mentioned above. His recordings have mostly been reissued. See stanrogers.net or maybe try Mudcat for more ideas/info.


    The best known spoof is "The Last of Garnet's Homemade Beer." Garnet Rogers is Stan's brother. IIRC Ian Robb wrote those words.



    Ok, I'll tell the students this one gets no accompaniment. Thank you.

  4. I've been looking around for a version of this song that sounds right on the concertina and have had no such luck. It's one of the songs my students want to perform for a variety show (heavily changed lyrics) and they roped me into it cause I made the mistake of practicing during my school planning period. I've looked in both Gary Coovers sea shanty books but wasn't able to find it there. 


    Any pointers to places where I might have more luck?




  5. Good Day and happy new years fellow bellow-fellows,


    Getting more and more enjoyment out of this instruments (especially since I upgraded from the old scholer to something with a few less miles) and have been trying for some more advanced songs. Recently was recommended the Becalmed Melody from Sea of Thieves and while I understand half the song, the long "melody" notes have left me confused. How are those to be played? I assume I cannot simply hold that note because there are often pull/push changes half way through the note? Apologies if this seem a rookie question, im self taught for the moment and have never really had any formal music teaching. please see link for the sheet music for "becalmed" the upper Staff i understand, its the lower one that has be confused.


    Becalmed link: https://musescore.com/user/1133871/scores/4922324

  6. As i write this, its Christmas Eve. Bit no matter when you may read this, a fair Christmas to you all from the Firbolg and the Orc.


    My novice question for you all is this: how does one properly store a concertina that doesnt have the bellow strap? One of the models im looking at lacks it and only comes with a padded bag. I know you should always store the instrument not on either face, but how do you remove it from the bag without stressing the bellows when its not strapped shut? Apologies if this seems an obvious question.



    The Firbolg

  7. 12 hours ago, David Colpitts said:

    Of course, everyone who has responded has a good point; when you ask here, you get divergent opinion, which I imagine is why you did ask here....


    I have played a Concertina Connection Elise duet for about 4 years, off and on.  It is the same body and construction level as the Rochelle, and the only issue it has shown is some wear at bellows corners.  The material has generallly held up, and it's been fine for "entry."


    However, I have also found great value in much cheaper used Bastari/Stagi anglos, which sell new for maybe 400 (20 buttons) to 6 or 7 or 8 hundred? USD, for the 30 buttons.  More importantly to me, I paid 95 dollars for my first one, and 125 dollars for my second.  Both well used; one patched here and there, but both 30 button anglos with sweet sounding reeds and comfortable, if not lightning fast, action.  And here's the real benefit to me: They are so cheap, you may not even need to "trade in" when you "move up," and can hang on as a spare, loaner, or gift to a rookie later.


    Of course, if your only goal is very fast play (say, Irish mostly) then they won't be fast enough forever.  But I bet someone here will offer you one for a couple/few hundred dollars, and the experience will be way smoother than the Scholer.


    Any way you settle on, have fun!



    Where may I ask did you find such affordable deals on those two used ones? I'm hesitant about a used instrument from sites like reverb or ebay.

  8. 20 hours ago, JimR said:

    Another advantage to the Rochelle is it's more traditional riveted action as opposed to the rubber tube used by most entry-level 'tinas.

    So, what does riveted action actually mean? And for that matter what would my Scholer have? I'm sorry if this feels a basic question. Assume my technical knowledge is close to nonexistent.

  9. 1 hour ago, Mjolnir said:

    I can't speak to the Weltmeister, but the Rochelle is a great instrument. Now the reasonable price does come at a cost. It's kinda bulky, the bellows are stiff, and the tone is nothing special. If you compare it to a $1500+ instrument, it's going to feel a bit like a toy. But that's in comparison. If you don't know what it's like to play on the expensive instrument, then you find you don't notice the bulk and the stiffness of the Rochelle after awhile. You start accounting for it automatically, and you can play fast jigs and reels along with the best of them. And it is nice to have the full 30 keys - it opens up a lot in terms of the tunes you can play, and the chords you can add.

    You had a Rochelle? Would you say aside from the size and bellow stiffness you had any issues? I know it's a Chinese made model and that can often mean a decrease in quality. 

  10. 57 minutes ago, DickT said:

    The consensus on here might well be neither. You already know that you like anglo concertina so you do not need a cheap one to see if it suits you. The money spent on either of these could go towards a better instrument that will play better, sound better and last longer, both in terms of durability and how long you will enjoy playing it before needing an upgrade. I am an English system player and have no direct experience of either of these tinas but I did have a CC Elise to try out a Duet system. Duet was not for me so it was sold on this site. The Elise was very basic in bellows and action but the tone was nicer than I was expecting. As a try-out instrument it was a low cost option but I think that its limitations would very soon have frustrated me and the same could well go for you. If you can afford it go for a higher grade tina that will last you a long time, it will be cheaper in the long run. In addition, if you do give up, a good instrument will hold its value well, should you wish to sell..



    Less that I consider either of them an upgrade. I'm still very much in beginner/novice territory. I'm looking for a further entry level (under $500) Concertina that will open up my range of play beyond the old Scholer. What is considered a high end 20 button? I've only seen lower cost ones.

  11. Good morning and a Happy Holiday (whichever you may celebrate) to you all (Christmas for myself).


    A few months ago I acquired my grandfathers old Scholer Concertina (year unknown) and I gotta say it may be the first musical instrument ive ever felt honestly happy playing. Which is why it breaks my heart to report that of its 20 keys, only about 7 or 8 of them work properly. So, im in the market for a step up from the old Scholer. My research and calls to a couple well regarded stores here in the US have as the subject line says nudged me towards either the Concertina connection Rochelle or the Weltmeister 607. Im honestly just looking for advice from folks about their personal experience, any issues you've experienced with either. or even advice on other brands if it helps given my knowledge and experience with this line of instrument is small.


    Warmest Regards to the forum,

    Firbolg 'n Orc

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