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    Piano, Accordion, Mandolin, Guitar, Ham radio.
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    Montevideo City, Uruguay, South America

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  1. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Dear Don Taylor and Wolf Molkentin: They are really forcing me to study! I was reviewing the alternatives to the tuning of equal temperament and I learn about the tunings of Werkmeiter, Stopper (twelfths), Bremer (EBVT temperament); Le Monte Young (seven limits modified) and that I have just started to dive in those depths. It seems to me that I better stay with my well-tempered piano (thanks, Bach ...) It's a joke, again thanks for the suggestions.
  2. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Dear Alex and Wolf: This is what I have collected about the tuning of the piano system accordion, remember that each note is produced by three reeds vibrating simultaneously. 1.- CLASSICAL TUNING. It is characterized by the total absence of difference. All voices are tuned to "unison". It produces a timbre similar to that of the organ and is used for the interpretation of classical, contemporary music, chamber music ... 2.- SWING TUNING. It consists of the tuning of the central voice at 440 Hz and a "crescent" tremolo with a minimum difference, about 441 Hz, which represents a difference of +07 cents in the note A-4. The difference between the two voices produces a very "soft" modulation. This type of tuning is used for the interpretation of jazz, swing, blues music ... 3.- AMERICAN AFFINATION. It consists of the tuning of the central voice at 440 Hz and a "crescent" tremolo at about 443 Hz, which represents a difference of +12 Cents on the note A-4. The difference between the two voices produces a "nice" modulation. This type of tuning is used for the interpretation of varieté music ... 4.- CELESTIAL TUNING. Also known as "traditional" tuning, it consists of tuning the central voice to 440 Hz. And a "crescent" tremolo to 446, which represents a difference of +20 Cents in the note A-4. The vibration produced by these two voices results in a "bright" sound. This type of tuning is mainly used for the interpretation of all kinds of music: traditional, popular, varieties ... 5.- FRENCH TITLE. Also known as tuning "musette" consists of the tuning of the central voice at 440 Hz., A tremolo "crescent" (high) tuned at 450 Hz. And a tremolo "calante" (low) at 430 Hz. The difference, it would be in the note A-4, of +24 cents in the crescent and -24 cents in the spirit. The mixture of these three voices produces a very "shrill" sound. It is a type of tuning very used for music of the genre "musette" very widespread in France. Regards.
  3. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Dear Lachenal74693 and Don Taylor: Thanks for the feedback. As for the sound files of AD's we are going to listen and see, I think that intuitive and ornate style is difficult to write, maybe it is more of feeling than of reasoning. With respect to the possible intentional detuning, it is necessary to see if it corresponds to what Don Taylor describes. I am accustomed to playing with accordion musette system that in each voice has three blades, for example in A at 430 Hz, another at 440 Hz and the third at 450 Hz, which when vibrating simultaneously give that characteristic sound of the French style.
  4. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Mr. March Har, Donright and d. eliott, thank you for your comments. My concertina must have been brought by someone who traveled to Europe since it was not an instrument of common use in my country, the fact is that it was found among the belongings of a person who died, his son put it on sale but he told me that I had never seen her before and I did not know her existence, let me know what her story was ... The fact is that now it belongs to me, I am a piano system accordion performer and I have very little experience with diatonic accordions but I will try to learn. As far as the tuning is concerned, it's quite tight in the A of 440 Hz. Maybe I would need a bit of correction in some notes, but for now I'm going to leave it like that until I find out if there are any dedicated luthiers.
  5. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Dear Lachenal74693. Thanks for the suggestions, I will look at the tutorial and the Australian site as well. As I mentioned before, in my city there are a few English and Irish pub-style sites, I do not know how authentic they are ... For the rest there are about eight bands of Celtic music but to my knowledge they do not include concertinas, they are handled with bagpipes, fiddle, bodhran, flutes and combine them with keyboards and guitar. I have to investigate more because I just got acquiring the concertima, I got closer to the world of the Celtic tradition, there is a lot to learn ...
  6. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Arti friend: Thanks for the suggestion. I will continue this page to see if I learn. Greetings.
  7. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Dear Lachenal74693: Thanks for the reply. You are right, I checked the number and the correct one is: 178403, which is clearly visible, I do not know how I could be wrong. I already corrected it in the first post so there is no confusion. Dear Bill N. thanks for the information, I will see to establish contact with the Argentine friends. The same thing happened to me when I bought the banjo, in my city I did not find anyone who had one but clarifies my doubts by writing to people from Buenos Aires. Thank you all.
  8. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Dear Mr. Molkentin: Thanks for your reply. I was finding out that in my country there is a pub where celtic musicians meet and there are eight groups that interpret it. However, the native instruments they use are mainly bagpipes, flutes and bodhran as well as guitars and keyboards. There is none that uses concertinas, although in one of them a bandoneon is used. We'll see if I can learn to interpret the concertina and get close to that group to try. What I'm doing now is listening to Irish music to see if I can capture the spirit that animates it, we'll see ... I find it easier to adapt the concertina to the folk music of my country, which is what I currently do with my piano accordion. I have seen that in the Republic of Bolivia the concertina is used as a folk instrument (there are videos on YouTube). That use would be easier for me because I know the local rhythm. Thanks again for the information.
  9. Francisco Escobar Bay

    24 key C/G Anglo Lachenal/ Wallis date ?

    Hi all. Recently I bought a 26-button Lachenal concertina with C / G tuning, which I'm trying to find out about. The brand is "Lachenal & Co", in addition it reads "Patent concertina manufacturers London" "Trade mark" "English made" "Steel reeds" The number is 178403. Some information? Attached photos. Thank you.
  10. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Hi, Mr. Peter. Thank you very much for your reply. I do not really have any information, this instrument I acquired from the heirs of the deceased owner. The owner's son posted it on a website and told me that he had never seen it or knew of its existence, they found it inventorizing the property of the deceased. Moreover, in my country there should not be many concertinas. I am a piano accordion performer and I was interested in acquiring the concertina to see if I can learn, I have little experience with diatonic instruments. I was measuring the tuning and for example in the second row from top to bottom is: C / B E / D G / F C / A E / B, the first value when pushing, the second when pulling (right side). I am struck by the 26 buttons because the ones I have seen on the Internet are 20, 30, 40 and more buttons. are those of 26 buttons common? I appreciate the comments.
  11. Francisco Escobar Bay

    26 buttons oncertina?

    Hi. Recently I bought a concertina brand Lachenal. It has 26 buttons per side arranged in three rows on each side, two of 5 buttons and one of 3 buttons. In addition to the right side the air exhaust button. It has the following inscriptions: "Lachenal & Co" "Patent Concertina Manufacturers London" "English Made" "Trade Mark" "Steel Reeds" The number is: 178403 Can anyone provide information? Thank you.
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