rcr27
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13 minutes ago, Wolf Molkentin said:
...but the winning bit is indicated as having been £99 (the starting price obviously) - do I miss something?
No I made an offer of £325 for it and the seller accepted it (he wanted £400!) I didn’t “bid” on it but it ebay marks it as if I bidded, and £99 is due to the starting price of the auction. A bit confusing I know
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3 minutes ago, Sprunghub said:
Mine was, in some ways, probably worse. A bit of time and effort and I love it now. The woodwork is all fairly straight forwards with basic tools. It plays really nicely.
Yours will almost certainly be Mahogany under the 'crud' and if re-finished unstained comes up well.
How much did you buy yours for?
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40 minutes ago, Wolf Molkentin said:
are you sure it's rosewood after all? however, it could make a restauration project for you, gathering some experience asf.
Seems to be rosewood I doubt it’s mahogany. I paid £325 for it and restoring it would cost me a lot of money and time because there is a lot to do. But even if I restore it and then want to sell it, I could only sell it for around £500, so I’d be loosing money. I’ll just return it hopefully eBay protects the buyer.
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What a joke... what seemed to be an ebony ended duet with metal buttons ended up being a dark rosewood with dirty bone buttons and in poor condition ? Deteriorated straps, cracks in the fretwork, keys producing 2 sounds, air leaks, very out of tune... and so on. Incredible how the light in the picture made this concertina look so different. Anyways I’m not even going to bother opening it, I’ll just return it as Im sure nobody in here would want this thing. See the pictures:
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14 minutes ago, Theo said:
The photos you posted show bone buttons, and dark, almost black wood which I suspect might be black painted. Sometimes Salvation Army concertinas (many of which were Crane system) were painted black to tone down their appearance. I have one like this myself.
Could be a possibility, I had an english concertina with what seemed to be painted wood, but it ended up being actual ebony. I will take and post more pictures when it arrives.
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43 minutes ago, Sprunghub said:
Value is sometimes dependent on the 'who by and where' it is being offered. A few weeks before Xmas a Wheatstone 48 Button Crane - probably not from the 'best' period, it wasn't on on the early records.....1950's I would think, but very tidy; brown finished wooden ends, metal buttons I think, with distinctive 'chocolate brown' bellows, in it's case and apparently little used was on offer at "about" £850 on the F/book Concertina's for sale page. Being only days into fumbling with the 35 button I 'wondered' for a day or two and then decided that without the benefit of a lot more ability/experience, it wasn't sensible to pursue a 2nd instrument before working out how to handle the first.
The Uk seller - via a long F/book presence clearly had an impeccable reputation in the Art's, albeit no real experience or knowledge of concertinas. It wasn't on sale long and I would think it was a very good buy for someone.
As I progress, I probably wish I had been a bit more 'rash' ? I doubt my wife agree's.
Typically a similar instrument from a 'Dealer' would be nearly double and 'private sales' often seem to be based on seeking as close to Dealer values as possible. Not that, that is a bad thing, just seems to be the case that many private sale valuations are based on what is available in Trade adverts, rather than a 30% discount as would be the case in many other fields.
Thanks for the information. I also doubted whether to buy that concertina or not, but since duets are rare I decided to have a go. Recently a Lachenal Maccann got sold on ebay for less than £200! but it was just like a tutor model. This one that I bought seems to have ebony ends and metal buttons, which made me think that the value would be higher. I guess the best thing to do is part-exchange it with Chris Algar for another concertina.
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5 hours ago, Алексей said:
Все привет, здоровья и благополучия. У концертины Нетемперированный звукоряд, нет энгармонических равных звуков. Я не тороплюсь, но торг уместен. Завтра выставлю на eBay
Take no offence, but it’d be better if you translate your posts before posting them so we can understand what you’re saying. Even if your concertina was fully restored it still wouldn’t cost that much, I’m just being realistic, but good luck anyway.
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£647 for what seems to be a tutor model Lachenal brass reeded in old pitch which requires revalving and retuning... a bit too much I think, don’t know...They cost around £500 fully restored. It’s better if you put it on eBay, although you probably won’t sell a tutor model for more than £350.
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Yes the seller was selling it on behalf of someone else. Indeed there aren’t many Cranes about so I might just keep it or part exchange it with Chris Algar if he is interested. I guess I can just re-leather the bellows or at least use some corners patches. It’s likely to be out of tune so probably some revalving will be needed. Doesn’t seem to be that bad anyway, but yes there is certainly some work to do.
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Just now, RAc said:
In what respect?
In terms of fingering and playability. Which one is the “easiest” or the most appropriate for someone who plays english concertina?
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True not many people show interest of duet concertinas. I’m more likely to part-exchange it than to sell it then. I wonder if Chris has any bigger Crane I think 35 keys isn’t enough. Just one thing, are Crane duets very different from the other types (maccan and hayden)?
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Hi all
I just recently acquired this duet concertina which I’ll be receiving very soon. It’s my first duet and I really don’t know much about this concertina system. This one in particular is a 35 key Crane duet concertina - likely to be a Lachenal - with ebony ends and metal buttons (and I’m guessing it has steel reeds). I just want to know what is the value of Crane duets on the market? I know for fact that duet concertinas are the rarest compared to the English and Anglo, so I just had this curiosity. I don’t pretend to sell it straight away as I want to learn to play it, (and I’ll have to repair it first) but I might want to part-exchange it in a near future for a bigger duet, so if you have any idea of the price of this particular duet I’d appreciate it.
These are the most similar ones that I found. Lachenal: http://www.craneconcertina.com/details.php?indexnum=42 Wheatstone: http://www.craneconcertina.com/details.php?indexnum=53
Regards
Roger
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Really good price for that type of concertina in my opinion. Considering that the it has aluminium ends, metal buttons, steel reeds and 6 fold bellows, £1220 is an excellent price, plus Crabb english concertinas are not very common. If you were to buy that concertina from a dealer it should cost £1500 minimum.
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Probably sold or part-exchanged to Barleycorn Concertinas as Chris was interested on this one but he missed out.
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The concertina has just been removed (“ended”) from eBay, not sold so I guess the owner isn’t making any profit.
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That is not profiteering; that is smart dealing. When you buy a concertina from an auction house, you will never pay the price for what it’s actually worth, why? because it’s an auction! This is a big aspect of being a dealer: you buy something for a relatively cheap price, you restore the item (if you have to), and you sell it for a higher price. Nothing wrong with that, sometimes luck knocks on your door and you get a superb item for less than £500, like this rare duet. If I had that concertina, I would sell it for a higher price (or I’d just keep it because it’s a rare one).
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I know plus is very hard to find english concertinas made by crabb
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Yes there are many stamps barely visible. I will take a picture again on both sides. Perhaps this concertina was repaired at some point of its life. That’s probably why the concertina is in such a wonderful condition cosmetically. The bellows are like new, the thumb straps, the ends and everything is in excellent condition.
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The reeds are metal colour so yes they are steel. Actually yes there is that number there I just realised, seems like 11881 or 11831 can’t see properly but thanks for that. I will open it up again and see the action levers soon if I have spare time.
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I have no idea to he honest
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Thank you! Yes I’ve seen all the comments and indeed this is a rare concertina model, but in really good condition.
Regards
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Hi all
Yes you’ve probably seen it before and I’m the lucky one who got this concertina. (I’ve only been into concertinas for about 2 years so I’m not an expert and correct me if I’m wrong). In terms of condition, excellent: Tuned to A=440Hz (some notes are a little out on the push or pull). Not sure if the reeds are steel or brass, but it sounds fairly loud compared to a brass reeded like the tutor models, so Im thinking they’re steel. Is it really a Crabb? Well it has a Crabb stamp on the pad board and what seems to be an odd handwritten number “685” in the bellows frame.This makes me think that it is indeed orginial. Again I’m m not an expert on concertinas so I could be wrong, but I can certainly assure you that this isn’t a “jerk” at all... Here is the picture of the stamp.
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Duet concertina value?
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The good thing is that you could check the condition prior to buying it. If only I had the opportunity to know what the condition of the condition of the concertina was I wouldn’t have bought it at all. Mine is even worse, almost unplayable and too much air leaks. It pretty much needs a full tlc with new everything (new fretwork, buttons, valves, pads, springs, bellows, straps... etc). As much I want to get some experience with restoring concertinas the best thing to do is just return it as I wouldn’t be able to restore it myself and it would cost me more than concertina itself. Yes the EC Crabb that I posted was a Lachenal labeled Crabb. I part-exchanged it with Chris Algar for another concertina, but at least that one was playable and worth the price.