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    It is definitely a better choice than a 20b 😉

    Having fun exploring C#...

    But there will be some fingering gymnastic (comparing to a 26/30b) or playing CBED on the left side instead of right to access the C# fluently. Don't know if it makes sense.

    And eventually some tune might be easier with that C# position ! But some will be harder…

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  2. Hello Irina,

    Sorry for my late answer... (holiday)

    I don't play flute so unfortunately I cannot compare and I am not sure why Caitlin call it a Short roll !

    It can be confusing...

    From memory, the short roll is emphasis on the middle note (on the beat), by doing a bellow jerk on the second note and lifting finger on the third note. I will subscribe again to her course to learn it properly ! My notes are not enough 😉

    I think the FA(dB)A will be for a jig...and FA(dB)AA for a reel...Don't know, I am just an (advance) beginner 🙂

    For a reel and long role (first note on the beat) on the left side will be FA(dB)AA  (as I have seen on lessons and many player).

    I guess this is the tune : https://thesession.org/tunes/8453

    I would do the B on the left side G row on push to apply the GB(dB)BB roll and the ddd on right with cut and bellow jerk.



  3. Also learning the roll...So hard to have a proper sound. Lots of practice needed...

    I prefer to use the same technique for all notes...But it is different if playing on the left side or right side (but not the short roll...).

    Caitlin distinguish the Long roll (on the beat) and the Short roll (not on the beat). 

    But I see lots of player use the long roll also if the first note is not on the beat (Jack Talty, Charles Monod,...).

    The Short roll is practically the same but with bellow jerk (I find it very hard).


    Here is an example of the long roll on the off-beat note : (slow it down to see what she is doing 😉)





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  4. I subscribed to all: OAIM, Caitlin, and Jack Talty.

    They are all excellent with pros/cons of course 😉


    There aren’t that much online lessons….I think they kind of complement each other.

    Jack Talty cover a wide variety of knowledge (Harmony, Ornamentation but not as much as Caitlin, why some tunes goes well together, key of E flat, why one button or the other, bellow...), I like the one exercise on ornamentation (but why just one exercise ?). Cons…Advance section is not really about concertina techniques (which was a disappointment for me), globally not a lot a tunes, lots of information’s but could extend a little...

    But overall I think it does gives a solid concertina foundation ! I can’t answer if this is necessary after Caitlin lessons…But I am sure you will find interesting information’s. If worth the price is up to you 😉


    None of the three (oaim,…) really focus on how to make a tune sound “good or special”, how to make the tune flowing or small thing here and there to make it different (not sure if this is clear), but this is probably about personal style and after years of practice, something will come up…But why not teaching a bit of style ? 😊 Maybe in the future.




  5. 15 hours ago, Sprunghub said:

    Why do you reference Brexit and what (major) difference do you suggest that makes to you buying an instrument from the Uk ?


    I have to pay 450 euros extra for taxes and all.... (it is 21% vat on value and shipping price (crazy!) + duties handling...).

    Also not sure when this happen (Covid, Brexit...?), but the price of the Traveller  is now 300pounds  more expensive.

  6. Congrat Mike ! Let us know what you think 😉

    I did try the Traveller about 8 years ago when I was a complete beginner(now an advance beginner 🙂 I stopped for a looong time). I founded it difficult to play at the time and was out of air very quickly....as a beginner of course, that is why I asked if it is appropriate for Irish. Of course it is, but not for a beginner. I am sure I will love it now that I understand better how to play a concertina 😉



  7. I would choose a nice vintage 20b...They have a great and charming sound. They are not the fastest but fun to play and a nice warm sound.

    This one seem a good choice



    And I would ask to tune the very left button of G row (left side) to a low A on draw. this will open many possibilities in Irish (New useful note, chord).


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  8. Hello Richard, I have the experiences but the other way...

    You need to fill up the CN23 form in 2 copy and put it visible on the box (don't do a paper yourself ;-))

    The HS number is 920590 for accordion/concertina.


    When I user the local postage service (like USPS), they give me the CN23 pdf already filled in (well from my input on site)...I just have to print it, sign it and eventually had something in description...Don't forget to do 2 copy.

    Here is a link with more info :



    Good luck !

  9. Yes I am pretty sure the Eiru Gold is great 🙂But I wonder if there is a huge difference between the two...

    I have been thinking since my post and I decide the Gold is out of reach financially...

    I am even hesitating between the Eiru Silver and the Vintage model...any input welcome !

    (they all have 5 years warranty which is a peace of mind as you say 😊)

    The Vintage has riveted reed (like Wheatstone during a period...and accordion reed), I have no idea if it is good or bad if change of tone and all...The Eiru has clamped reed...I have a few months to decide anyway. It is difficult to hear the difference from video but I have the impression de Eiru as a warmer sound…

  10. Hello everyone,


    I am also looking for a new concertina but within EU which means 7Mount, Suttner, Irish concertina company. I love 7Mount but lots of patience is needed, Suttner is 1.5 year (even more patience) and Irish company is 8 weeks... interesting.

    I was think about the Eiru but I can't find many record/vid and it is always confusing because there is Eiru Silver and Eiru Gold !! I wonder if someone had the chance to try both and give some feedback ?


    Thank you ! That would be very helpful.



  11. Thank you Mike, I understand what you mean 😉

    I am interested for some reason but I think it is a bit too expensive new (his 30b is just 100pound extra).

    And I will have to pay an extra 450 euros of import taxes !! So buying it new is not an option for me 😕

    Got me move on and now looking in the EU area, some good choices but reduced to one: 7Mount (never had any response and I heard he does not produce them on order any more...), Suttner (1.5 year of waiting), and Irish concertina company (I believe they are quality concertina and just 8 weeks of waiting, looking for the Vintage mode or Eiru....). I have time to decide, no hurry.



  12. Thank you Mike ! Yes the C# is indeed a nice extra for Irish 🙂 I was also wondering for tone and bellow size...But then I heard what Cormac Begley can do with a piccolo; so I am pretty sure the Marcus will work for Irish style. I agree with limitations...I just might miss the reverse G/A but I when I had a 30b, I couldn't change my habit ha ha.

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