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Depends what you play. Scots tune (really traditional) often require the fiddler to use 3rd position so high c3 is quite usual. Similarly, both Scott Skinner and Phil Cunningham will start on a low A and work up. Scots tunes can often be in A major so use a lot of G#. Playford tunes will often be in B flat - again a challenge. The real beggar is Carolan who can write in F minor (A flat major equivalent) and the EC doesn't have a D flat.
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The sad demise of our music stores!
Pianist replied to SIMON GABRIELOW's topic in General Concertina Discussion
It's not just Banks. York has lost the physical Red Cow Music store as well. However, there are all sorts of outlets around York catering to all sorts of squeezables. Acorn Music - mainly accordions - is at Stillington. Red Cow is up at Thornton-Le-Dale. There's Squeezebox Marketplace at Boroughbridge. A little further afield is Hobgoblin in Leeds. So the death of Banks is not a total disaster. -
New English Concertina Tutor
Pianist replied to Richard Morse's topic in General Concertina Discussion
C# Major in however many sharps is just D flat major (5 flats with D flat using C# instead) You run across that in F minor or A flat major as well. The real fun is to play in B# major with double sharps - B# C## D## etc -
Is concertina only for folk English or Irish music?
Pianist replied to gerardo1000's topic in General Concertina Discussion
Try Dave Townsend -
The variety and scope of C major.
Pianist replied to SIMON GABRIELOW's topic in General Concertina Discussion
Chopin preferred to start pupils on B major because that fitted the hand to the piano better - long fingers on sharp notes up high, short fingers on white notes down low. That way pupils developed better technique. Maybe we need to look at what is an "easy" scale on the concertina in the same way. -
Is National character heard in performance?
Pianist replied to SIMON GABRIELOW's topic in General Concertina Discussion
I certainly wouldn't call Alistair Anderson reserved. Anybody who's seen him swinging his concertina around will know what I mean. Not on concertina, I knew a fiddler (English but of Irish descent) who played Scots tunes with a distinct Sligo slide feeling. It's musical background and character , not nationality, that tends to affect playing style. -
The York shop has shut, but was a great place to go.
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We're very well served here in Yorkshire. I've got two shops near me: Squeezebox Marketplace and Acorn Instruments When I lived in Norfolk, there was also David Robertson a first rate restorer used by Barleycorn who also posts on this site. Don't forget Hobgoblin Music although they tend to be more expensive.
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advice please - ease of transition from piano - which concertina?
Pianist replied to Tori's topic in Teaching and Learning
If you're sight reading, you should scan the piece for "fun" bits e.g. B to E on the same side or A# / Db then it becomes a bit easier. -
Interesting problem. One answer is - don't use your thumbs! Have a look at this by Michael Jary from Swaledale 2013 I saw hime at Swaledale in 2018 and his handling of the box is ... odd! He's a York bloke and has done workshops at the Yorkshire concertina club - https://yorkshireconcertinaclub.weebly.com/news/michael-jary-workshop Hope you find some solutions.
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advice please - ease of transition from piano - which concertina?
Pianist replied to Tori's topic in Teaching and Learning
F's relative minor is A flat with Bb Eb Ab and Db. Db is missing and you need C# (if you have equal temperament tuning) so F minor is tricky. But that's the easy one. Bb major has a relative minor of Db ? (and 5 flats) or enchromatically C# and Eb has a relative minor of Gb or enchromatically F# none of which are concertina friendly. I'm a pianist and have found the English the easiest to adapt to. I play some Scottish tunes which regularly go up to E6. As to tunes in "odd" keys the only one that I regularly play is Miss MacDermott (Carolan) which is a minor key version of Princess Royal. In Carolan it's in F minor, but the usual session version is in G minor which is a lot easier to play. -
There are only a limited number of finger patterns. Most of the sharp keys (and their minors) use the same fingering. English is a great system for keyboard players because you are used to working with both hands together and doing different things. It also helps (with equal temperament) when you're playing in crazy keys - like Carolan's Miss McDermot in F minor - where you have to do enharmonic substitutions. Basically, the choice of system comes down to your musical background and what exactly you want to play.
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From Steven Bradley on Facebook
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We've just moved up to Yorkshire from Norfolk.In Norfolk, we had a local session where people did bring music. It was frowned on because they were almost working as a band with arrangements. Some singers did use i-pads and other devices. Here in Yorkshire, we go to a U3A group which uses dots. The dots are borrowed from a session in Harrogate - http://www.crimple.demon.co.uk/sessions.htm However, some of the versions are dire. This seems true of most tune books - some winners and many losers. Eventually, you get a version you like or adapt a version based on somebody's playing. Dots don't seem to be geographical but vary according to the session.
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Well known problem. See https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/high-definition-audio-device-audio-stream-is/f3d7ef5e-ee78-4027-8635-46f0a9355505 for a solution. As to lack of administrator privileges, you need to run powecfg from an elevated command prompt - one with administrator privileges.